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What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 5:14 am

Like the question says what is it? I have a feeling its the L1011 or B707? Can anyone help?
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 5:21 am

I believe it might have been the CV-990... getting close to Mach .90. I also read that the L-1011 could get close to Mach .90 too, but it would be sucking a lot of gas in the process. In terms of regular ops the 747 can still cruise at mach .86.
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 5:36 am

The B727?? I once heard that it went supersonic with structural damage as a result...
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 5:53 am

I did hear B727 to be the fastest subsonic airliner but not about it went supersonic. First passenger aircraft thet went supersonic was DC8-43 (during test flight, of course), it landed safely with no damage, and the crew felt nothing when increasing speed but there was some effect when decreasing.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:03 am

A couple planes have went supersonic, for example I think there was a 747SP that slipped out of trim and went into a spiral dive from FL 350. Recovered at FL 120, wings bent upwards a couple feet perminately.
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:10 am

All of you guys are forgeting Tupolev 144. It was a supersonic airliner.





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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:26 am

I doan't know for sure but I do have one experience. I once went on a United flight on 757-200 from LAX-ORD. We got the
re in under 1 hour 30 min. THe pilot said we were going 840 (more or less) because we had close to 200 mph tailwinds. I don't know if that is considered going close to supersonic or not. But I know that I'd hate to be going the other dirrection with that headwind.
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concor

Fri Oct 27, 2000 7:22 am

I don't know how accurate those airshow things are, but I have been in both a Lufthansa A340 and a Finnair MD-11 that showed the speed to be 690 MPH. I believe thats quite not supersonic at 30000 feet, but it sure is close.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concor

Fri Oct 27, 2000 8:34 am

The Convair 990A could cruise for short hops of about a thousand miles at .96 mach. However, they'd wiggle their tail a bit. They were certified for .91.

But today I hear on this forum that the 777 is fast.

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concor

Fri Oct 27, 2000 8:46 am

The maxinum speed of a 747 I think is M0.92 but cruises at .85

If the Tu144 is included, it went even faster than Concorde!

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 8:49 am

I believe the MD 11 is also pretty fast. I think its faster than both the 777 and the 747.

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:41 am

Ok here is your supersonic info-

Aio86- assuming an altitude of FL300, 840 mph is about Mach 1.23


Ahlfors-It is supersonic-about Mach 1.01-just barely over it.

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RE: MD11

Fri Oct 27, 2000 12:10 pm

Avion's post hit me that the MD11 had a CRUISE speed of M0.87. Don't know the max. Boeing removed the stats from the web page now.

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RE: MD11

Fri Oct 27, 2000 12:30 pm

Bar none it's the CV-990.
What you see on those screens are groundspeed.
If I had a 800 MPH tailwind I wouldn't be going supersonic in my 172 because the wind is pushing me and my sound and everything.
Mach is based on True Airspeed. So you can't use groundspeed.
After the CV-990 it's a tossup between the 747 and the L1011. I once went to the cockpit of a KLM 743 and saw 0.88 on the Mach with no glitch.
After that it's anyone's guess.......

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:05 pm

I thought the 747 SP was the fastest sub-sonic with a 0.92 rating.

Maybe I am wrong.
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:36 pm

This has been discussed before under the topic: "Fastest subsonic Airliner".

Its the Tupolev-154M. It goes nearly supersonic. The CV990 also comes close.

The B727 mentioned above did not go supersonic in level flight. It went into a shallow dive due to some failure. So i dont think that counts.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 3:54 pm

CV990, L1011, B727-100, in that order. Of course, the L1011 burns a lot less fuel per pax than the others do - the CV990 is basically a rocket!
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:18 pm

The 777 can go as fast as .92 in level flight. Boeing test pilots took it up to .98 in a shallow dive during the testing period back in 1995. Long range cruise for the 777 is M0.84. I understand that on short hops between ATL and MCO, Delta pilots routinely take their 777s as high as .90. I hear the same about DEN-ORD and SFO-DEN 777 runs on United.

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 7:45 pm

The TU-144
it is nicknamed "concordski" and it is faster and bigger than the concord.
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:13 pm

ive heard its a toss up between the 727 and the l-1011.

does the CV990 even fly anymore and if they do who operates them?
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:59 pm

IndianGuy, Tu154 (M or whatever else) was never "near supersonic". I flew on it 60 or so times and it was never faster than 960 km/h. I said it in the previous topic too, and if you are not agree, please, provide your source of information.

Tu144 was to be faster than Concorde by design (M2.24 vs M2.02) but I've never heard it achieved this speed in a real flight. Did anybody hear?
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:44 am

no it is the tupolev TU 154.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:12 am

FamousNeptune, especially for you  : no, it is not.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:43 am

get a live , rix.
they say it is ,and it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 4:20 am

FamousNeptune, especially for you once again : no, THEY say it is not, and it is not!
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 5:30 am

oooh too bad for you coz it is, look at your sources again 
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 6:00 am

??? Erik, I'll be really thankful to you (no sarcasm) if you tell me what your source is (and so prove me you are right) but, OK, what is the source? Who are these mysterious "they"? My sources are: (1) my own experience (see post above) and (2) PLENTY of Soviet literature with no statement that Tu154 is the fastest subsonic airliner. Believe me, if it was one, they'd not forget to mention it!
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 1:00 pm

Ok Fastest supersonic airliner is : Tu-144 @ max crusing speed it was 2500 km/h or 1550 m/h which in turn translates to mach number of 2.35.

Fastest subsonic airliner is :Convair 990 @ max crusing speed of 620 m/h

I cannot find the specs of the Tupolev tu-154m so I cannot comment on that.

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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 1:37 pm

The specs for Tu154 are 950 km/h!

Again, did anybody hear about Tu144 REALLY reached its design max speed?
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 1:50 pm

I finally found some specs on the 154M. Max cruise is 514kts or 590 m/h.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 5:49 pm

commercial airliners fly mostly in the range of 575mph-600mph. they simply are not designed to go any faster. indeed they can, but the plane would experience severe and life threatening consequences.
the concord was an original and one of a kind.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 9:30 pm

Ive flown at over 700MPH on an L1011 from Sfo-Atl.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:07 am

In August, 1996 I flown from Memphis to Amsterdam and I remember that the speed shown on the onboard monitor was 1019 km/h. I don't remember it in miles/h (I'm European) but I think it was a very high speed.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:11 am

In the last message I forgot to tell you that I was flying on a KLM's MD11.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 3:07 am

...and I'm pretty sure it was a ground speed, not a true airspeed. I had the same on May flying on UA777 from IAD to LHR. The reason is that both were transatlantic EASTBOUND flights with prevailing tailwinds. An excellent example is the first jet transatlantic passenger flight: both were BOAC Comet 4, and one that flew westbound was to make a refuel stop in Gander, while another one (G-APDB) made it non-stop flying eastbound.
 
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RE: What Is The Fastest Airliner Apart From Concorde?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:16 pm

The only subsonic airliner to reach supersonic speeds was a DC-8-40 (RR Conway-powered overwater variant) on a test flight before delivery to Canadian Pacific Airlines in 1961. The plane went supersonic briefly during a shallow dive, speaking volumes of the structural integrity of the 'eignt. This was a one-time occurrence, but to my knowledge the record still stands.
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