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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:44 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LIV
"Tribute to Varig in Central America"

The Brazilian airline VARIG which was acquired by Gol served the Central American skies in the past . It promoted the first jet-line flights heading to deep South America, disregarding the operations of Braniff in Panama City and others.
By the mid 80s, Lacsa, Ecuatoriana and Varig signed a sort of agreement operating a weekly flight routed in the northbound sector as Rio de Janeiro - Sao Paulo - Guayaquil - Quito - San Jose with Boeing 767-200 Extended Range. The airline Cruzeiro sometimes performed these flights on behalf of Varig with Airbus 300.
Varig also flew Sao Paulo - Manaos - Panama City with Boeing 737-300, discontinued by the mid 90s. I don’t manage if other regional routes or equipments were available before on Varig.
These flights became unattractive, once both Taca Peru and Copa Airlines incursioned in deep South America, almost 20 years ago.








Edited on July 04th, 2013.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Varig also flew Sao Paulo - Manaos - Panama City with Boeing 737-300, discontinued by the mid 90s

Varig did fly from either GIG or SAO to PTY before they started the GRU (or CGH) - MAO - PTY route.
I don't remember if PTY was stop en-route to MIA or LAX.
After Varig left the Brazil - PTY market no other Brazilian airline has attempted to fly between our countries.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:43 am

Avianca reduces the MIA-SJO sector from 7x to 5x weekly with E90. No more flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
I don't remember if PTY was stop en-route to MIA or LAX

RG GRU-MAO-PTY 1x weekly with 733.
In those days, Varig operated dedicated flights heading to Florida as RG GIG-GRU-MIA with 747 and D10.
Los Angeles was served as RG GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT with 743, RG GIG-GRU-LAX-NGO with 743 and RG GIG-GRU-LIM-LAX with D10. Panama City wasn't part of that equation.

Source: Varig timetable, 1993

I have my doubts if Varig back in the 70s flew to Panama City with 707.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:06 am

Hello Guys!

Thank you so much! I confess I'm very happy to see someone still remembering my country's former flag carrier, I had my second international destination with them (AMS) when I was 16! and the first being with VASP to CCS when I was 9.

Those old days of aviation!  
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
After Varig left the Brazil - PTY market no other Brazilian airline has attempted to fly between our countries.

I'm sure JJ did a few charter flights to PTY, but this was 7 years ago or so, these days very unlikely CM owns the market and is tough to beat.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
Avianca reduces the MIA-SJO sector from 7x to 5x weekly with E90. No more flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays

Before you know it they'll be down to 3x weekly.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:16 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
Avianca reduces the MIA-SJO sector from 7x to 5x weekly with E90. No more flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays.

sorry, what's AV doing with the spare aircraft ? are they opening new routes in other places ?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 4):
Before you know it they'll be down to 3x weekly.

I suspect before too long you will only see AV flights from SJO to BOG, LIM, MDE and SAL (maybe GUA) from SJO.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:39 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
I have my doubts if Varig back in the 70s flew to Panama City with 707.

I was referring just to that, Varig in PTY before the MAO-PTY.

Quote:
Avianca reduces the MIA-SJO sector from 7x to 5x weekly with E90. No more flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays.

AV showing its commitment to SJO.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 3):
I'm sure JJ did a few charter flights to PTY, but this was 7 years ago or so, these days very unlikely CM owns the market and is tough to beat.

I've not heard of any JJ charters to PTY.
What I did hear is than CM wanted to code-share w/JJ GRU-GIG when it opened PTY-GRU and that JJ refused to talk and practically slammed the door at CM face.
CM shows some G3 code-share (at least in the map on their in-flight magazine). IMHO, G3 could do a good job of feeding CM hub from CGR-CGB and FOR-BEL; VCP-PTY who knows?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:40 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 4):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
Avianca reduces the MIA-SJO sector from 7x to 5x weekly with E90. No more flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays

Before you know it they'll be down to 3x weekly.

You mean like what they're doing in GUA this September?  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:01 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
I suspect before too long you will only see AV flights from SJO to BOG, LIM, MDE and SAL (maybe GUA) from SJO.

I still think AV wouldn't be foolish enough to drop SJO-CCS and that BOG-PTY-SJO may remain only because it's a flight from AV hub via an Star Alliance hub. A SAL-MGA-SJO w/ATR may remain too.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
I've not heard of any JJ charters to PTY.

I tried some google search didn't come up with anything, but these flights existed as charter, I even remember seeing the landing forms being eaten by insects on their office when I had access! I'd take a picture to show. The same foes SXM, AUA and PUJ I actually know a guy who worked for them at that time (as I said some 7 or 8 years ago or even more).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 7):
What I did hear is than CM wanted to code-share w/JJ GRU-GIG when it opened PTY-GRU and that JJ refused to talk and practically slammed the door at CM face.

JJ somehow never saw themselves on central america/caribbean routes, maybe they're only concerned about CM because CM takes their US bound pax from them.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:19 am

Both Gol and Copa Airlines hold a comercial partnetship since 2006.
The commercial agreement comprises the connectivity between Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, in some flights operated by G3.
On the other side, I've seen before one of the four daily flights on CM PTY-GRU bearing the G3 designator.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:28 pm

Panama to tax jet fuel From www.prensa.com in Spanish
The Panamanian Economy and Finance Ministry presented the national legislative a proposal to tax USD0.10 per Jet-fuel gallon. A low ranking deputy minister said the tax is because the jet-fuel is exempt from taxes in Panama.
In the meanwhile nobody from the government ever informed the Panamanian Airline Association of any proposed jet-fuel tax.
This jet-fuel tax comes at no surprise as it's widely known that Panama's ruler has a personal vendetta against CM owners dating late 1980's.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
Both Gol and Copa Airlines hold a comercial partnetship since 2006.
The commercial agreement comprises the connectivity between Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, in some flights operated by G3.
On the other side, I've seen before one of the four daily flights on CM PTY-GRU bearing the G3 designator.

Yes, G3 was also able to sell tickets for CM on their page, don't know if it's still the case after CM joined *A, JJ was able to transfer pax's from other brazilian cities to CM but were not able to sell their tickets as G3, for me the most strange thing was: even being on *A you couldn't get mileage plus points or vice-versa flying JJ, CM staff told me it was a agreement between the airlines, I think JJ knew they'd be leaving soon Star.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
This jet-fuel tax comes at no surprise as it's widely known that Panama's ruler has a personal vendetta against CM owners dating late 1980's.

CM has being creating jobs for his country for the past what 6 decades?? I honestly hate politicians!
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):
a proposal to tax USD0.10 per Jet-fuel gallon

73Gs can hold some 6,900 gallons of jet fuel so we're talking US$690 more when flying out of Tocumen.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 13):
if it's still the case after CM joined *A

The CM website is not able to sell tickets to destinations served by their comercial affiliates and it disregards if CM is involved into Star Alliance or not.




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Quoting copa330200 (Reply 5):
what's AV doing with the spare aircraft ? are they opening new routes in other places ?

I think nobody knows it.
I've been searching a clue analyzing their operations at SAL, BOG and LIM and their frequencies are running normally at this time.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
The CM website is not able to sell tickets to destinations served by their comercial affiliates and it disregards if CM is involved into Star Alliance or not.

well.. this is quite odd since AC does not show PTY on their web page   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 14):
73Gs can hold some 6,900 gallons of jet fuel so we're talking US$690 more when flying out of Tocumen.

And the number of CM daily take-offs from PTY is:___ Add to those the other airlines departures., round-up extra because KL and IB wide-bodies.
Then multiply that figure times USD690 times 7 days per week and it's getting to be a large number.

Last week Panama's ruler travelled to Venezuela to lobby the government to ease payments restrictions to Colon Duty Free and allow CM more frequencies. Being CM owners not exactly his best friends and the ones who account for the largest individual % of that duty free zone trade, Isn't that new jet-fuel tax just a coincidence?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

CM will just pass the cost along to the customer.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:47 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
CM will just pass the cost along to the customer.

As corporations always do I'm afraid!  
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:59 pm

I wonder if UA is going load those widebodies around xmas time to GUA and SAL this year?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
I wonder if UA is going load those widebodies around xmas time to GUA and SAL this year?

Over the last years on GUA they don't send them anymore.
They add extra flights.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:14 pm

Looks like DL has extended there JFK/MSP/LAX- Central American weekend services at least thru April now....loads must be at least half decent.

Yay!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:41 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 21):
Over the last years on GUA they don't send them anymore.
They add extra flights.

Correct. United has already confirmed the following changes for the Christmas season:

UA ORD-LIR: 3x weekly
UA IAH-BZE: 21x weekly
UA IAH-GUA: 24x weekly
UA IAH-RTB: 7x weekly
UA IAH-SAP: 10x weekly
UA EWR-BZE: 4x weekly
UA EWR-GUA: 4x weekly
UA EWR-SAP: 4x weekly
UA EWR-SAL: 4x weekly
UA EWR-LIR: 5x weekly

Effective: December 19th.
All these flights will be operated with narrow-bodies.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:56 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
Correct. United has already confirmed the following changes for the Christmas season:

Extra EWR-PTY and IAH-PTY no-where to be seen, even if 2 UA aircraft R.O.N. in PTY.
And seasonal Xmas-New Year Saturday CLE-PTY, Sunday PTY-CLE to complement UA/CM PTY hub traffic, still a dream.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:11 am

Spirit Airlines one more time has launched the extra red-eye flight, during the US summer beak into the [SJO-FLL] sector.
As a result, NK SJO-FLL is 10x weekly nowadays: 7x daylight plus 3x red-eyes.
This year, jetBlue started the SJO-FLL 7x weekly service since June 27th. Thus, NK SJO-FLL is not running as 14x weekly for the time being.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:14 pm

It is just so hard for me to Belize that as of this Dec....UA will have more seats into Belize than AA. AA was the long time leader.

Also for the first time, will surpass AA in terms of pax movements at BZE......and their yields are rumored to be the best in the region.


Kudos to the UA staff and the old CO leadership that took a chance on BZE over 15 years ago.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:54 pm

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:22 pm

According to CM newsletter:

- x4 week service B737-700
- starting December 16
- PTY- TPA departure 6-34 PM arrival 9-53 PM Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
- TPA - PTY departure 7-02 AM arrival 10-12 AM Mon, Tue, Thu, Sat
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 27):
so its official?

CM228 PTY1834 – 2153TPA 73G 1357
CM229 TPA0702 – 1012PTY 73G 1246
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:53 pm

Dear CM,

I once again plead for service to BZE....cause i know you read this thread!  

Sincerely,

S America bound via MIA
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 29):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 27):
so its official?

CM228 PTY1834 – 2153TPA 73G 1357
CM229 TPA0702 – 1012PTY 73G 1246

Go figure, I checked on Amadeus and the flights are only loaded on Sabre right now...
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:05 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 29):
CM228 PTY1834 – 2153TPA 73G 1357
CM229 TPA0702 – 1012PTY 73G 1246

I'm happy for TPA but that schedule, what's it good for?
Does CM really need to fly those times and keep a B737 (and its crew) a good 9 hours in TPA?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting greenmow (Reply 28):
- x4 week service B737-700
- starting December 16
- PTY- TPA departure 6-34 PM arrival 9-53 PM Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
- TPA - PTY departure 7-02 AM arrival 10-12 AM Mon, Tue, Thu, Sat

CM is definitely aiming for the US stations, taking into account their good results in Chicago and Las Vegas.
Even the new CM PTY-BOS started to fly on a daily basis.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 32):
I'm happy for TPA but that schedule, what's it good for?

CM PTY-TPA 4x weekly may work as a back-up for CM PTY-MCO which is temporarily operating as 28x weekly during the US summer break.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 30):
I once again plead for service to BZE....cause i know you read this thread!

Let me do some copying/pasting from the previous iteration of this thread series..

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 183):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 180):
CM has been awfully quiet route announcement wise...they are long overdue

Expect one new destination —two at the most— added by year's end.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 190):
Tampa's been actively trying to lure CM for over two years.. even threw in a sweet incentive package consisting of landing fee waivers and advertising money.. the Massachusetts Port Authority successfully used a similar approach (known as the Massport International Air Service Incentive Program) to reel them in.. all seems like it boils down to aircraft availability now.

BZE obviously remains part of Copa's short/medium–term route network planning strategy.. however TPA appears to be their wrap–up act for this year.. fingers crossed for the next round of announcements, possibly late Jan or mid Feb 2014.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:35 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 34):
BZE obviously remains part of Copa's short/medium%u2013term route network planning strategy

I repeat my point posted earlier: based on the 2012 experience related to their new routes, Copa Airlines must be cautious analyzing the potential of new stations:

CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly
CM PTY-IQT 2x weekly
CM PTY-REC 4x weekly
CM PTY-CUR 4x weekly
CM PTY-LAS 7x weekly

Hypothesis: the stations placed in the US mainland provide a better demand of passengers for the Panamanian airline.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
CM PTY-CUR 4x weekly
CM PTY-LAS 7x weekly

CUR is doing fine. LAS is doing really well.


I would like to hypothezize that perhaps the flights aren't doing so well because of the low frequency offered. I know it goes against normal thinking but (being in the airline industry myself), sometimes the answer to a poorly performing flight is adding frequency....

Often pax will not change their flying patterns (move days) or loyalties even if a non-stop exists if that flight does not give them what they need.

The big question in launching a less than daily flight is will pax move? Will they change their travel patterns for us?

SQ IAH-DME-SIN flight is a good example of this....flight LF does much better as a daily than a less than daily.
TAs SAL-BZE is also a good example....flight does far better overall as a daily (even on off peak months) than as a less than daily.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:19 am

According to the OAG thread, it looks like AV is axing GUA-ORD. The sad times for CentAm keep coming.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:57 am

from the other forum: Copa Airlines Doubles Down On Las Vegas (by LAXintl Jul 22 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Beginning December 13th Copa will increase its service to Las Vegas increasing to 11x weekly.

Added flights will operate 4x weekly (Tue/Thr/Sat/Sun) using 737-800s.

Copa only began service to Las Vegas in June 2012.

Story:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...doubles-down-on-las-vegas/2575621/

this is in top of the TPA announcement !!

what's next for CM ?
1- in US we heard about DEN, SFO ..
2- ideally an order for larger/wide aircrafts for destinations like EZE, GRU, MIA, LAX and Europe (unlikely)

  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 37):
According to the OAG thread, it looks like AV is axing GUA-ORD. The sad times for CentAm keep coming.

They moved the flight to SAL.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:07 pm

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 38):
what's next for CM ?
1- in US we heard about DEN, SFO ..
2- ideally an order for larger/wide aircrafts for destinations like EZE, GRU, MIA, LAX and Europe (unlikely)

Extra ORD and BOS flights may come before service to UA hubs DEN and SFO. Same with extra flights to POA, BSB and CNF.
Larger aircraft like B737-900ER?
CM surely can change its ordered B737 to those. 2 B737-800 cost the same as 1 B737-900ER and 1 B737-700, B737-900ER is great to add capacity to EZE and Sky-interior B737-700 to open SFO non-stop.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 37):
The sad times for CentAm keep coming.

On the bright side, AM is starting GUA-TAP on August 27:

AM2776 TAP-GUA 09:41 - 09:26 / Tue, Thu, Sat
AM2777 GUA-TAP 10:26 - 12:11 / Tue, Thu, Sat
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:51 pm

Great news a new flight.

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 41):
On the bright side, AM is starting GUA-TAP on August 27:

AM2776 TAP-GUA 09:41 - 09:26 / Tue, Thu, Sat
AM2777 GUA-TAP 10:26 - 12:11 / Tue, Thu, Sat

I think that GUA will benefit from Avianca axing some routes in Guatemala. You can see Delta and United have already increase their flights to LAX, IAH, ATL, JFK (new route), IAD (seasonal route)

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 42):
I think that GUA will benefit from Avianca axing some routes in Guatemala. You can see Delta and United have already increase their flights to LAX, IAH, ATL, JFK (new route), IAD (seasonal route)

and the same in SJO..ask AV axed, DL and other added.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 42):
I think that GUA will benefit from Avianca axing some routes in Guatemala. You can see Delta and United have already increase their flights to LAX, IAH, ATL, JFK (new route), IAD (seasonal route)

Yeah for that I'm glad, more frequencies and destinations from the others; hope it would spark the interest of the big ORD players to add a flight.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 40):
B737-900ER is great to add capacity to EZE and Sky-interior B737-700 to open SFO non-stop.

though I like the idea I'm not sure 739 is capable to run PTY-EZE without penalties
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:42 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 40):
Extra ORD and BOS flights may come before service to UA hubs DEN and SFO.

DEN airport officials, as well as the local chamber of commerces/economic development committees, etc., have recently named PTY now as their now most sought after nonstop destination, and CM the airline to service the route. It'll be curious to watch CM officials reactions to priorities as the DEN $$$$$ start getting thrown at them......

 
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:12 pm

ELSALVADOR.COM is reporting that Avianca will increase capacity from SAL by 16% with 60 additional frequencies (frequencies over what period is not stated) in stages, starting September 15 with 28 additional flights, then 25 more on November 15 and the remaining 7 on December 6. Here is the link the article (in Spanish): http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47654&idArt=8060492
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:20 pm

Quoting SFJeff (Reply 47):
Avianca will increase capacity from SAL by 16% with 60 additional frequencies

Wonder how much of that is real and how much is bluffing.. another piece from the same source claims there will be 90 more flights at that airport..

Avianca centralizará sus operaciones regionales en Comalapa, donde se calcula que habría 90 vuelos adicionales a los que actualmente transitan.

[Edited 2013-07-24 13:22:22]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54

Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 48):
Wonder how much of that is real and how much is bluffing..

Considering they are cancelling flights from everywhere else and moving them to SAL, it's not that farfetched...
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