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F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:55 am

With the new F9 service that started at ILG this month, I was wondering if anyone has any info on how its doing so far?
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:35 am

I can't find the news story but I believe that ILG is doing well. Frontier recently added a flight to Ft. Myers (RSW) starting in November. The strongest route is ILG-DEN, I assume due to the connection possibilities. Sure wish F9 would find a way to operate it out of TTN.
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:00 pm

From an operations standpoint, TTN-DEN is possible with an A319 from a 6000 foot runway, but probably not without weight penalties. So economically, not sensible if they have to cap the passenger numbers all the time.
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:05 pm

It's too bad they are getting rid of the a318, a 318 w/sharklets should be able to do it without any restriction (according to Wikipedia for what that's worth). Wonder if they could charge $15 more each way $1500 is atleast 10 seats of revenue.
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:30 pm

Well at IAH they are filling up the planes. All are going out full or near to it. However, when these people are paying an average of $53 each way IAH-ILG ( official F9 figures from the duty manager) they are without a doubt losing heavily on this service. That seems to be the problem with Frontier. They can always fill a plane, but their revenue management seems to not have the word "yield" in their vocabulary. F9 services from IAH-DEN are always full ( I mean full. Average load factor of 97% on the route) yet IAH is an unprofitable station.
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 3):

It's too bad they are getting rid of the a318, a 318 w/sharklets should be able to do it without any restriction (according to Wikipedia for what that's worth). Wonder if they could charge $15 more each way $1500 is atleast 10 seats of revenue.

A319 with a weight penalty would cost about the same to operate as an A318. If you think about it, there's very few uses for the A318, where the A319 with some empty seats couldn't do the exact same thing for pretty much the same cost. I'm guessing this is why they got rid of the A318.

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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 4):
However, when these people are paying an average of $53 each way IAH-ILG

I keep getting emails advertising $45 fares from ILG-IAH. I cannot find fares that low out of TTN anymore...
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:41 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 4):
However, when these people are paying an average of $53 each way IAH-ILG ( official F9 figures from the duty manager) they are without a doubt losing heavily on this service.

$45 is way too low for a starting price, there isn't much low fare competition from PHL or BWI. WN's lowest price is $149 out of PHL and $160 out of BWI. Spirit doesn't fly PHL to IAH/HOU (they do DFW though). It should be Minimum $69, see if you can't get $79

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 6):
I keep getting emails advertising $45 fares from ILG-IAH. I cannot find fares that low out of TTN anymore...

TTN-CMH and TTN-DTW offer $39 fares some days (usually a tuesday or thursday)
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 6):

That is correct. $45 is the promotional fare on the IAH-ILG route. Average fare paid for the flight was $53.
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:21 am

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 4):
All are going out full or near to it. However, when these people are paying an average of $53 each way IAH-ILG ( official F9 figures from the duty manager) they are without a doubt losing heavily on this service. That seems to be the problem with Frontier.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it yet, these flights from ILG and TTN are still very new and are pretty much entirely new gateways for servicing the NYC and Philadelphia areas, so I'm sure F9's primary concern at this point is just to fill the planes and generate a market and awareness for the flights. Now if fares are still $53 a year from now....then yeah I'd say they have a problem, but it's still too early to tell at this point IMHO.
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:31 am

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 4):
However, when these people are paying an average of $53 each way IAH-ILG ( official F9 figures from the duty manager) they are without a doubt losing heavily on this service.

"Official"?

I'm not aware that Frontier has published them yet, or do you generally post confidential company information on the internet?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 9):
Now if fares are still $53 a year from now....then yeah I'd say they have a problem, but it's still too early to tell at this point IMHO.

I assume ILG-IAH will become seasonal - there are many better uses for the aircraft in winter.

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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I assume ILG-IAH will become seasonal - there are many better uses for the aircraft in winter.

With the $91 RT my brother got for his family (mid august wed to wed), I would think so. Saved him a boatload of money. $459.95 for 5 tickets that USAirways wants $300 EACH from PHL-IAH. His actual destination is Austin but he couldn't pass up such extremely low fare.

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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:53 am

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 11):
$459.95 for 5 tickets that USAirways wants $300 EACH from PHL-IAH

Using your WAG dates in August F9 IAH-ILG fare is still pricing for $192.00; http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/f...605067-fe06-4274-890e-65ef5f0e2ec5

The fare on multiple carriers populates at $402.00. Ironically ILG did not populate in the airport drop down menu. I almost priced Wilmington, N.C. PHL also shows a Wilmington, Delaware reference in their IATA code..
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:32 am

ITA must be getting incorrect information because I see it even now coming up at $112.00 (the sale expired on July 18th so its $54/$57 instead of $44/$47). But he definately got 5 tickets from ILG to IAH August 14th returning August 19th for $459.95 total for all 5 tickets.

Here's a screen shot of 5 tickets for $559.95 which still is a good deal.
http://flic.kr/p/fdqodn

Frankly I think they should be $99 each way but for whatever reason F9 Yield department feels they can only charge $55.
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:50 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I assume ILG-IAH will become seasonal - there are many better uses for the aircraft in winter.

I believe ILG-DEN is gangbusters - which was to be expected, there is history. I hope it holds up in the winter, which was the problem with DEN-PHL.

And given how well the Florida routes seem to be doing, I hope they beef up ILG-Florida for the winter.

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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 13):

For clarification the IAH-ILG fare I mentioned was $192.00 for the round trip that makes it $96.00 each way.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I believe ILG-DEN is gangbusters - which was to be expected, there is history. I hope it holds up in the winter,

I suspect some of the greater TTN area may be driving the 58 statute miles which separate TTN and ILG http://www.calculatorcat.com/free_calculators/airport_distance.phtml for the DEN flights.

I certainly would cost compare New Castle-Willmington ILG-DEN vs PHL-DEN. In the strategy and tactics department the planner in me wonders if it might behoove F9 to establish a shuttle van between TTN and ILG for the DEN flights; possibly on one of the local transit buses with all of their advetising on it. It may also be something they would want to consider across the three months TTN is closed for rehab to keep minds of the flying public away from PHL.
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:37 pm

For the sake of thoroughness I added PHL and BWI to HOU to my WN DING alert. This should provide a snapshot if F9 ILG-IAH flights are in fact biting into the competition. DING fares of course are excess inventory.
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
I suspect some of the greater TTN area may be driving the 58 statute miles which separate TTN and ILG http://www.calculatorcat.com/free_calculators/airport_distance.phtml for the DEN flights.

Maybe, but the cost differential probably needs to remain huge for many to do that with regularity - that is not a pleasant drive during or near rush hour on I-95. You can take the NJ Turnpike (longer + tolled) or I-295 (no toll, longer, more likely to back up) then go over the Delaware Memorial Bridge (separate toll) to ILG. Might as well go to EWR or PHL given the distances involved in most cases.
 
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RE: F9 At ILG, How Are They Doing?

Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting phlwok (Reply 17):
that is not a pleasant drive during or near rush hour on I-95

Not being from the region I have no reason to doubt you. I looked at two random weekdays in August F9 ILG-DEN departure; flight # 395 departs ILG at 1:20 PM. which is going to put you at the airport an hour earlier. (hopefully) which is not what I would consider the height of a traditional rush hour.

It is one flight a day across four days a week; two of those being a Saturday and Sunday which are less of a concern in the rush hour equation. Don't get me wrong I realize there is a lot of traffic all of the time; I lived outside of Washington D.C for a short stint and had the pleasure I driving the I-270 on a daily basis and also Route 3 a.k.a. Boston S.E. Expressway for two years.

I've also had the pleasure of driving I-95 and its tributaries between Washington D.C. to Bayonne N.J. up across the Hudson onto the Merritt Parkway in CT. for the most part unscathed. Which provided a excellent view of view of the EWR arrivals

I like the think the route planners think about the departure times and traffic in a particular region when they establish a flight time. I think a 1:20 PM departure out of ILG aligns up neatly if F9 chose to connect it to TTN.
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