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UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:56 am

I was perusing some options tonight for a fall trip to Phoenix and noticed that United is putting the 738 on DSM-DEN starting on Aug. 28 - the first regularly scheduled PMCO metal to come through since the merger.

Here's a sample Sunday schedule in October.

DSM-DEN
6:17-7:05 AM 738
9:41-10:32 AM CRJ
1:13-2:02 PM CR7
5:04-6:01 PM ER4
6:50-7:41 PM 738

DENDSM
10:02-12:38 PM CR7
12:40-3:18 PM CRJ
3:26-6:02 PM 738
8:41-11:17 PM 738

Of course, DSM-ORD is sticking to the emphasis on frequency over capacity and looks to be a variety of CRJ, CR7 and ER4s.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:59 am

United has used the 737-800 a few times this year on flights from Denver and Chicago.

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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting nssd70 (Reply 1):
United has used the 737-800 a few times this year on flights from Denver and Chicago.

IAH too, but only as one-offs. This seems to replace the A319/A320 for at least a few months (The Airbus shows up again on the schedule in November, but it looks to combo with the Boeing at that point).
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:07 am

It will be nice to get photos of something other than an Airbus.

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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:08 am

UA used to send 757's to DSM.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:21 am

Nice to see these back. UA has certainly placed the emphasis on competing with WN to Chicago. AA Connection also has several daily ORD-DSM flights. It would be nice to see year around mainline on PHX-DSM.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:46 am

I'm surprised that US Airways doesn't have year round mainline service between PHX and DSM. I heard Delta in September will be replacing the MD-88 with the A319 or A320.

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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:53 am

Is the ER4 in that schedule coming from ORD onward to DEN?
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:56 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 4):
UA used to send 757's to DSM

They still do a couple of times a year,but not on a regular basis.

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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:37 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 5):
It would be nice to see year around mainline on PHX-DSM.

Especially to prevent a possible WN entry into this route. I still think it's a matter of when, not if WN will fly DSM-PHX.

2013 is looking to be another record year for DSM enplanements.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 2):
This seems to replace the A319/A320 for at least a few months (The Airbus shows up again on the schedule in November, but it looks to combo with the Boeing at that point).

Same way with ROC , we used to get A319/20's to ORD,now it is 73G/738/739 depending on the day of the week. But the Star Alliance desktop shows the Airbi coming back in the fall.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting nssd70 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised that US Airways doesn't have year round mainline service between PHX and DSM. I heard Delta in September will be replacing the MD-88 with the A319 or A320.

Wouldn't be surprised if US goes mainline to PHX year round soon - US has really increased their DSM presence this year. Until summer 2012 we only had a few CRJ/CR9 per day to PHX, but now we're up to seasonal mainline on that route, plus daily ERJ-170 to DCA and CR9 to CLT.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:21 pm

Haven't swung through DSM in a few years, but nice to see the mainline additions, that's for sure. How is gate space these days? Pretty cramped?
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:11 pm

Do they fly the 738 somewhere else or is the Monday morning departure later? I'm looking at the 11:17 p.m. arrival into DSM and the 6:17 a.m. departure and thinking that's too short for a layover.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting nssd70 (Reply 6):
I'm surprised that US Airways doesn't have year round mainline service between PHX and DSM.

Perhaps a little off track, but I remember when America West Express was flying a CRJ-200 in there and people were shocked at the stage length! This was in 98-99 or so.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:27 pm

Hopefully US Airways could send a A319 from CLT to DSM... Amazing to think the CLT-DSM route started with a CRJ 200 and now it's two CRJ 900s. From what I've heard the CLT-DSM route is doing pretty well! Wells Fargo has some presence in the DSM area and obviously CLT is huge for Wells Fargo..
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting B727FA (Reply 14):
Perhaps a little off track, but I remember when America West Express was flying a CRJ-200 in there and people were shocked at the stage length! This was in 98-99 or so.

It is a fairly long stage length for a CR2, that's for sure. HP also ran a red-eye LAS-DSM on the CR2 back in the LAS hub days.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 15):
Amazing to think the CLT-DSM route started with a CRJ 200 and now it's two CRJ 900s.

Not only that, It went from two CRJ-200s quickly to two CRJ-700's, and now to two CRJ-900's.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:09 pm

UA will also be changing from a once daily 319, sometimes 320, to a 738 at FSD on the FSDDEN route in September. I personally would much rather work a 319/320 below wing than a 738...but cannot complain about the additional seats!
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 13):
I'm looking at the 11:17 p.m. arrival into DSM and the 6:17 a.m. departure and thinking that's too short for a layover.

Well, DL does about the same times here and that's thier layover . Sucks,I'm sure!
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):

Yes your exactly right! Not bad! I sense an A319 or an extra frequency on that route in the foreseeable future  
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 12):
Haven't swung through DSM in a few years, but nice to see the mainline additions, that's for sure. How is gate space these days? Pretty cramped?

There is some space for expanded frequencies, especially since A2 and A4 (SW & Allegiant) don't have the best usage, and A5 (ground level only) is not being used, except for maybe a UA RON. The UA IAH and EWR flights still operate out of C. The rest of the C gates can be busy at times.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:49 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 15):
Wells Fargo has some presence in the DSM area and obviously CLT is huge for Wells Fargo..

Just to be clear, Wells Fargo has a HUGE presence in the Des Moines area - Wells Fargo Home Mortgage is based in West Des Moines. I believe they are the largest private employer in the Des Moines/West Des Moines MSA, with more than 13,000 local employees.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 13):
Do they fly the 738 somewhere else or is the Monday morning departure later? I'm looking at the 11:17 p.m. arrival into DSM and the 6:17 a.m. departure and thinking that's too short for a layover.


Probably a 30 hour (or so) layover ... two nights.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 11):
Wouldn't be surprised if US goes mainline to PHX year round soon - US has really increased their DSM presence this year. Until summer 2012 we only had a few CRJ/CR9 per day to PHX

with the impending merger with AA, does anyone think DSM-PHX will be kept?
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:12 am

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 23):
with the impending merger with AA, does anyone think DSM-PHX will be kept?

Yes, I would say likely. AA added the MD-80s to DFW a while back, and US keeps upgrading CLT. They both seem willing to throw more seats in the market. If AA/US didn't fly it, G4 would probably do DSM-IWA or WN DSM-PHX.

It will be interesting to see if G4 maintains the same frequencies on DSM-LAS once WN starts daily service at the end of September. It's been a long time station that's been fairly strong for G4. There may be enough traffic depending on how much of the WN traffic is connecting.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 23):

I think PHX is one of the top destinations out of central Iowa. I would look to WN to add it at some point, especially if they dominate G4 on DSM-LAS after they start it in Sept (which I think we all assume is pretty likely - current DSM-LAS roundtrips on WN a few months out are like $200-$250).
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:51 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 13):
I'm looking at the 11:17 p.m. arrival into DSM and the 6:17 a.m. departure and thinking that's too short for a layover.

Well, DL does about the same times here and that's thier layover . Sucks,I'm sure!

On the FA side we call those (depending on if you were NW or DL BM [before merger-lol]) an "illegal" or a "lean over." Often called a "continuous duty" or "stand-up" or "nap line" or "high-speed" trip. One duty period with a "long-ish" break but not legal rest.
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:50 pm

It appears F9 is dropping the Saturday flight into DSM from DEN effective September 14 and through the rest of the schedule period. This would have been scheduled quite some time ago however.
 
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:53 pm

Bring back CLE-DSM !..with a E170
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RE: UA Sending The 738 To DSM

Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:04 am

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...sengers-new-routes-to-come/article

DSM has already surpassed 1 million passengers for 2013..well on the way to another record year.