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BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:05 pm

I cannot believe BA have not flown their shiny new planes from Heathrow yet.

It's been nearly two weeks. Are they really that different from previous new planes joining the fleet?

Why not simply sub them into the fleet now? They have had four years to plan for this.

It cannot take three months to train crews, that already fly A and B types.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:44 am

They have not been flown but the A380 has not been sitting around doing nothing. Today is the seconf day it has been in T5 for gound trails etc. It has also simunlated a LAX flight with staff as pax.
Most training is for Ground and Cabin Crew more than flight crew.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:57 am

The ground flight to LAX (without moving) was very nice indeed.
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:05 am

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
I cannot believe BA have not flown their shiny new planes from Heathrow yet.

It's been nearly two weeks. Are they really that different from previous new planes joining the fleet?

Why not simply sub them into the fleet now? They have had four years to plan for this.

It cannot take three months to train crews, that already fly A and B types.

If passengers on the first flight don't receive the service they feel entitled to the whole World will soon know via Twitter & Facebook.
It might all look very easy, but the galley layouts and stowages will be different to anything the crews have operated before, they need to know how things work, where they are etc in order that they can efficiently operate from day 1. It won't take three months and hasn't been timetabled as such. The first publicised definite flights for the A380 are approx. 2.5 months from delivery, quite a few short haul flights will take place before then.

Everyone needs to know how to handle a new aircraft, the ground crew need to be able to get the baggage on board the plane has to push back without hitting anyone, the terminal staff need to direct passengers to the right airbridge.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:01 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
It might all look very easy, but the galley layouts and stowages will be different to anything the crews have operated before, they need to know how things work, where they are etc in order that they can efficiently operate from day 1.

Sounds as if BA learnt a lot from when they launched their last major introduction to their operations, T5.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 1):
It has also simunlated a LAX flight with staff as pax.

Sounds a much better way than training cabin crew and other ground staff on an old frame that is different to anything they will actually encounter:


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This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

G-ZZZA was delivered on 20 May 1996. It arrived at LHR on its delivery flight on 21 May. The next day, 22 May, it operated its first revenue flight, BA123 (LHR-DXB-MCT).

In the period 23 May to 11 June it operated every day. Over the next few days it completed a further four LHR-DXB-MCT-DXB-LHR rotations. It also flew two rotations to RUH, four to CAI and three to JED. On completion of the last of these rotations to JED on 5 June it operated its first short-haul revenue "training" rotation to CDG (BA322/23) before commencing its next rotation to RUH that same evening.

On its return from RUH it again operated a rotation to CDG on 6 June. It then took a brief rest before flying off on the BA123 four-flight rotation on the evening of 7 June. On the following four days it again operated the four-sector BA123/22 rotation. So when it landed at LHR early in the morning of 12 June, the twenty-second day after its arrival at LHR, it had completed 64 revenue sector flights in just three weeks.

I guess that a part of the reason for the differences between the 772A and 380 launch programmes is that with its large fleet of bigger 742s and 744s the 772A offered no new challenges to BA in terms of pre-boarding, boarding and disembarkation. And here it is not just a matter of the numerical difference between 281 and 469 passengers. The logistics of boarding and disembarking those passengers onto a 380 will be entirely different to anything they have previously experienced.

We can be sure that the British media will cover the inaugural 380 flight to LAX. It looks as if BA are determined to do everything they can to ensure that it will be a very smooth operation and that the Daily Mail is given no opportunity to denigrate their operations..
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
It looks as if BA are determined to do everything they can to ensure that it will be a very smooth operation and that the Daily Mail is given no opportunity to denigrate their operations..

For sure but to be fair the Daily Mail do seem a little less harsh in their critique these days.

I think they realised that whilst having its obvious advantages two runway LHR pre Terminal 5 was not the easiest place to run an airline like BA.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

G-ZZZA was delivered on 20 May 1996. It arrived at LHR on its delivery flight on 21 May. The next day, 22 May, it operated its first revenue flight, BA123 (LHR-DXB-MCT)

The current programme is different to the 777's introduction, but while G-ZZZA did go straight onto long-haul ops (albeit non-ETOPS ones due to issues with the GE90 at the time) but it wasn't the first 777 delivered to BA.

Since BA was the first customer of the GE90 engines it's aircraft first 2 aircraft were involved in the certification of the type, and were delivered last out of the initial batch.

The initial introduction of the 777 at BA was purely short-haul to build experience, exactly the same as with the A380 and 787, but for a far shorter timespan - the 777 did almost immediately start long-haul operations to Dubai and Muscat in November 1995. This was probably more due to the lateness of the aircraft and BA allowing themselves to be rushed to get the plane into service.

In terms of delivery dates;

G-ZZZC 11 Nov 1995
G-ZZZD 28 Dec 1995
G-ZZZE 12 Jan 1996
G-ZZZA 20 May 1996
G-ZZZB 28 Mar 1997

The 777's introduction at BA was a bit of a mess, as these articles from the time show;
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%202455.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%202813.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203177.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203431.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203682.html

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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

Thanks for that, that was a great run down and perspective on it. I do understand this however why such caution with the 787?

Also, Singapore Airlines took delivery of 9V-SKA on the 16/10/07 and it entered service SIN-SYD on the 25/10/07. I seem to remember SQ stating its A380s as having the highest dispatch reliability in it's fleet in 2008.

With Qantas, VH-OQA was delivered on the 19/09/08 and entered service MEL-LAX on the 20/10/08.

What are BA so afraid of?

Thanks

[Edited 2013-07-11 06:01:53]
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
It's been nearly two weeks.

Test flights to Manston are slated for next week.
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:29 pm

Training flight for B787 is LHR - ARN

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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting solnabo (Reply 9):

Are there any dates for LHR-ARN 787 ops yet ??

Or will it be a BA secret surprise when you turn up at the gate to board an A320 ???
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:00 pm

Dates and flight details for the B787 short haul ops have been revealed to some crew who have been rostered to operate them next month!

However to avoid disappointment they are not to be published just in case for whatever reason the aircraft has to be removed and replaced with its normal scheduled equipment!
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:44 pm

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The initial introduction of the 777 at BA was purely short-haul to build experience, exactly the same as with the A380 and 787, but for a far shorter timespan - the 777 did almost immediately start long-haul operations to Dubai and Muscat in November 1995. This was probably more due to the lateness of the aircraft and BA allowing themselves to be rushed to get the plane into service.

In terms of delivery dates;

G-ZZZC 11 Nov 1995
G-ZZZD 28 Dec 1995
G-ZZZE 12 Jan 1996
G-ZZZA 20 May 1996
G-ZZZB 28 Mar 1997

Yes, and it wasn't all plane sailing. I was on 'ZZC in Jan 96, and we left for an evening CDG flight very late because of an engine issue. I recall either the FO or captain blaming the newness of the aircraft and the engineering department's unfamiliarity that meant the delay was going to be quite long.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:28 pm

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The current programme is different to the 777's introduction, but while G-ZZZA did go straight onto long-haul ops (albeit non-ETOPS ones due to issues with the GE90 at the time) but it wasn't the first 777 delivered to BA.

Thanks for the correction. I had a recollection that Boeing retained the first BA 772A like it retained their first 763. But that was my mistake. It was not the first but the first two 772As that were held back and I did not check that.

The introduction into service for G-ZZZC was rather different to that of 'ZA. Its delivery flight arrived at LHR on 12 November 1995. It entered service five days later when on 17 November it flew off on the LHR-DXB-MCT (Muscat, Oman)-DXB-LHR (BA123/22) rotation.

It then operated BA123/22 on each of the following four days. After it arrived back at LHR on 21 November it visited BA's Engineering Base.

On the evening of 22 November it returned to service operating LHR-DXB-MCT (BA123). It was then again dedicated to the BA123/22 rotation for the next seven days.

When it returned to LHR on 28 November it operated LHR-RVN -LHR that day using its registration as its call sign. This is a rather early for a charter to see Father Christmas and the call-sign is not a standard BA charter call sign. So I wonder if this was a cold climate test flight.

On the following day (29 November) it was flown to and from SNN (call sign BAW9563/64) for flight crew training.

On 30 November it returned to scheduled operations and was again dedicated to the BA123/22 rotation. Apart from when it visited maintenance on 5/6 December it continued to operate this rotation until it returned to LHR early on 12 December. It then paid another quick visit to BA Maintenance before returning to the BA123/22 rotation on the evening of 13 December. It was again dedicated to this rotation operating it every day until 8 January except on 19/20, 25/26 and 26/27 December.

On arriving at LHR on 8 January it again visited BA Maintenance returning to service on the morning of 11 January when it operated three LHR-CDG-LHR rotations (BA304/05, BA314/15 and BA322/23). These were its first scheduled short-haul "training" flights. The three rotations were then flown on the next four days up to and including 17 January except on the thirteenth when it did not operate the first CDG rotation of the day.

Quoting avion660 (Reply 12):
Yes, and it wasn't all plane sailing. I was on 'ZZC in Jan 96, and we left for an evening CDG flight very late because of an engine issue.

I believe you were quite unlucky. I am assuming your flight was BA322 on 16 January, As far as I can determine this flight and the return BA323 that both operated between 3 and 4 hours behind schedule were the only flights in the first three months of operation that were seriously delayed.

After the CDG rotations 'ZC returned to mid-haul operations on 18 January when it was temporarily dedicated to the LHR-CAI-LHR (BA155/54) rotation. On completing the flight from CAI on 20 January it was rededicated to the three training rotations to CDG except for a single LHR-DXB-MCT-DXB-LHR rotation on 23/24 January.

I believe the last CDG rotation was on 27 January. After that it operated to DXB/MCT or to CAI except on 9 February when it operated to and from SNN as BA9489/90 purely for training purposes. This may have been its last training flight at least until the fleet was expanded and the need for trained flight crew grew.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:01 am

LHR-FRA will be operated by the A380 on the following dates:

August the 21st will be operated on flight BA910
August the 22nd will be operated on flight BA902

Subject to change.

[Edited 2013-07-12 00:49:11]
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:37 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 11):
Dates and flight details for the B787 short haul ops have been revealed to some crew who have been rostered to operate them next month!

However to avoid disappointment they are not to be published just in case for whatever reason the aircraft has to be removed and replaced with its normal scheduled equipment!

We need an aviation version of Assange... BALeaks   

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
LHR-FRA will be operated by the A380 on the following dates:

August the 21st will be operated on flight BA910
August the 22nd will be operated on flight BA902

Dang, I´m just returning from SIN that week, fares doesn´t look too bad but I will be too wrecked (and poor), hopefully BA will do some more afterwards.

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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:37 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
I am assuming your flight was BA322

spot on.

And thanks for the detailed listing: very interesting.

[Edited 2013-07-12 00:38:17]
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:18 pm

Come on BA...

Both the 787 and A380 have been flying with other carriers for over two years! They normally enter service just a week after delivery, sometimes two or three days.

Its like buying a new car, then leaving on the drive for a month.

The longer they leave it, the greater the press hype when it happens.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:56 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Test flights to Manston are slated for next week.

The BA A380 is scheduled to arrive in Manston on Monday.

http://www.facebook.com/ManstonAirport/posts/604764342901047
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
The BA A380 is scheduled to arrive in Manston on Monday.



And so are the Red Arrows scheduled to arrive at Manston at 12 aswell on Monday. Then only to Depart again at 3   

http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamnews/...5CE99B0-5056-A318-A87D19EF1F04A2FE

[Edited 2013-07-13 14:08:46]

[Edited 2013-07-13 14:10:12]
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:26 pm

Lots of A380 action at MSE next week, a full team of BA staff are relocating to MSE for the week, from crew to ground and handling and trainers.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:48 am

G-XLEA airborne, this is the first BA test flight.

http://fr24.com/BAW380

http://oi39.tinypic.com/13zyftd.jpg
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:04 am

She is on her way back to Airbus in Toulouse

That can't be good
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:07 am

No, FR24 still shows the path from July 4.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:37 am

G-XLEA made a touch & go at Vatry Chalons Airport.
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:24 am

G-XLEA is showing on flightradar that it is bound for LHR at 12:07 GMT but i thought it was going to MSE at 12:05 for training..
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:31 am

Flight number is the same as the delivery, hence it shows up as TLS-LHR. It's based at Manston until the 29th. Will be doing flights to Vatry and Chaeauroux.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:35 am

Quoting hotplane (Reply 26):

just double checked and you are spot on.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:44 am

There's a notam for a photo shoot with the Red Arrows over the North sea close to Manston between 1500 & 1600.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:05 am

Done & done.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2hohirq.jpg
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:08 am

I remember they did the same publicity pics with red arrows with Concorde and QE2 !
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting hotplane (Reply 28):
There's a notam for a photo shoot with the Red Arrows over the North sea close to Manston between 1500 & 1600.



My thoughts came true. 
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:05 pm

Also the BA A380 is planned to do a flypast at RIAT Fairford this Saturday 20th July accompanied by the Red Arrows.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:06 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):
Done & done.

Think that was just a missed approach.
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:14 pm

What's the point of the Red Arrows gimmicks?

Must cost them a fortune to hire them out, and for what?
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting evomutant (Reply 34):

Because its fun and makes people feel good to see. What's the point of anything. Be happy!
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:09 pm

The cost of the red arrows could have been used to increase the redundancy offer made to the pursers?
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:04 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 36):
The cost of the red arrows could have been used to increase the redundancy offer made to the pursers?

Sad as it is that people are being made redundant the cost argument you put forward could be applied to all marketing expenditure [because when all said and done this is a promotional exercise] which doesn't have an immediate link to increased sales - but it increases awareness; alters perceptions and ultimately helps to increase [or at the worse stop a reduction in] sales and protect more jobs for the future.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:09 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 36):


The cost of the red arrows could have been used to increase the redundancy offer made to the pursers?

I wonder what its like to go through life with a pint half full mentality?

The sun is out, BA has taken delivery of its most important plane since the 744, and the reds are hot to trot....just enjoy the moment! Can't wait for the pictures
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:28 pm

I just think it's overkill for an aircraft that has been in operational service with many carriers around the world for years. It's not a novelty any more.

Still, their money.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:36 pm

They're off.

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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:55 pm

Currently just out of Dover. Look how low they are! I'd love to be watching this from the cliffs.

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Aircraft(A388)
Airbus A380-841

Registration(40688B) G-XLEA

Altitude 750 ft

Vertical Speed 0 fpm

Speed 266 kt

Radar T-EGMH3

Squawk
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting evomutant (Reply 34):
What's the point of the Red Arrows gimmicks?

I believe there are two purposes for the A 380 / Red Arrows sortie over the North Sea today., Monday. One is a photo opportunity that will be used for world wide promotional purposes. The second is a dress rehersal for the formation flight at next Saturday's Royal International Air Tattoo which is the world's largest military air show that usually attracts around 160,000 visitors plus extensive media coverage.

This year the participants will include the Belgian, Brazilian, Estonian, Finnish (plus Finnish Army Aviation), French, German (plus German Navy), Greek, Hungarian,, Irish, Italian, Polish, (plus Polish Navy), Portuguese, Royal Danish, Royal Jordanian, Royal Netherlands, Royal Norwegian, Royal Air Force of Oman, Swedish and Swiss as well as the Royal Air Force.

In addition to displays by the RAF Red Arrows there will be displays by the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (Lancaster + Spitfire + Hurricane), the Royal Navy Historical Flight, Patrouille de France (the French Air Force display team), Il Frecce (the Italian Air Force display team), the Royal Jordanian Falcons, the Swiss Air Force PC-7 Team and the Breitling Wingwalkers.

Classic Jets present will include the Avro Vulcan and the Gloster Meteor. Warbirds will include the Boeing Flying Fortress and Consolidated Catalina. Civilian registered aircraft will range from the Lockheed Super Constellation to the A400M and from the Saab 2000 to the Piper PA28 Warrior.

What will the highlight be? For many (including much of the media) it will be the A380 (resplendent in BA livery) and the Red Arrows in their formation fly past. (Check out the photo data base in two or three weeks time for conformation.) And both the rehearsal and the fly past will be part and parcel of the BA flight crew training programme. It would cost a fortune to buy the equivalent to this free publicity. And if the Royal Jordanian Falcons think it worthwhile to fly in from the Middle East then flying the 380 from MSE to FFD (which is no more than 137 miles) really is a no brainer.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting evomutant (Reply 34):
What's the point of the Red Arrows gimmicks?

Must cost them a fortune to hire them out, and for what?

BA have a long relationship with the Red Arrows, most notably during the Concorde era where we did several shoots with them and the 2002 Golden Jubilee flypast. But contacts have still been maintained since.
Given that both will be involved with the huge air tattoo at Fairford, given that it's the first time the two types will do a formation together, the photo shoot will also have a training purpose.
Even though we'd done shoots with the Arrows before, in 2002 we still did training sorties before with them. We were after all going to be flying over huge crowds in London.

They'll also be huge crowds at the airshow.
What a marketing scoop, likely TV reporting too.
Better than paying for some newspaper ads.

So in that respect, working with the most famous flying display team in the world, things haven't changed.
But other things have at BA, including a section of staff, those you alluded to, don't get to hold the rest of the airline to ransom anymore.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:14 pm

We can all admire the photos while waiting in the queues at terminal 5.

But if they can attach a banner to the back of it announcing the reinstatement of the hot buffet in the Galleries Club lounge then I would say bravo to that.
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:07 pm

Pictures of the landing at Manston can be found here:

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/sto...013-07-15/a380-to-land-at-manston/
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:13 pm

What an exciting time for BA- two all-new fleet types, the A380 and 787 within the same year.

Will any of the 787s by the way have a First Class cabin or will they all be in a C/Y+/Y configuration?
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:14 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 46):
Will any of the 787s by the way have a First Class cabin or will they all be in a C/Y+/Y configuration?

Check http://www.seatplans.com/airlines/british-airways/seatplans/B787 for a seat map.
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting shankly (Reply 38):
BA has taken delivery of its most important plane since the 744

Correct the 787 arrived a few days before and will open up new emerging markets that have not been viable up to now. Hence the vast difference in order quantities.
 
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RE: BA Training Flights For A380 And B787

Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting evomutant (Reply 39):
I just think it's overkill for an aircraft that has been in operational service with many carriers around the world for years. It's not a novelty any more.

Its one up on Dickie, they are rubbing his nose in it just as he would if the ball was on the other foot.

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