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United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:07 pm

Per GDS United will replace 777 service on Seattle - Tokyo market effective November with the 787.

Effective November 5th.
UA105 SEA-NRT 1210-1540
UA106 NRT-SEA 1835-1010

Also with this swap, its rumored the company will close down the pmUA Seattle 777 crew base which was hanging on solely thanks to the Narita flight.

The downgauge in capacity is likely no surprise as the Seattle route has long been one of the weaker ones especially off season, and now with partner ANA running the segment also.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:13 pm

This is a little dissappointing. I get that they probably don't need all the capacity of a 777 on that route, but a 763 has the range, no? I thought the 787 would open up all these new routes that existing planes were either too large or didn't have the range to do, like AKL, SCL, etc.

I bet this one has more to do with losing 3 Intl Config 777 to HI config.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:13 pm

This sounds about right. Time to free up the 777 for a better utilized route in my opinion. This crew base has been making the walk up to the Guillotine for a while now. Good info LAX
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:13 pm

Seems like a smart move. Increase yields, offer a unique plane and use the 788 for its intended purpose of long thin routes (SEA>NRT, DEN>NRT). Of course, they can always upgauge the a/c to 789 in the future if demand dictates it. So now we know where the next delivered UA 788 is going to - recently taking flight at Paine I'm told so it won't be too far from home when finished.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:24 pm

I feel for the SEA sUA based FAs who will no longer have 875/876 to work in November, since this will be flown by the sCO side out of either the NTA (Newark Transatlantic), NLS (Newark Language Speaker), or HTA (Houston Transatlantic), HOS (Houston Other Speaker) FA bases.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:26 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

They would not necessarily would close the sUA SEA base because of this flight. The sUA BOS and LAS bases remain open and they don't have any int'l flying.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
They would not necessarily would close the sUA SEA base because of this flight. The sUA BOS and LAS bases remain open and they don't have any int'l flying.

That's very true for the flight attendants, however I would find it hard to believe that they would keep the pilot 777 base open considering SEA will no long have any 777 flights.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
They would not necessarily would close the sUA SEA base because of this flight. The sUA BOS and LAS bases remain open and they don't have any int'l flying.

I assume he's talking about the pilots and not the FAs.

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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:29 pm

I am actually somewhat surprised that UA will continue to fly NRT out of SEA at all. I know there was some speculation (on A.net) about the route being dropped completely when ANA entered last year.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
They would not necessarily would close the sUA SEA base because of this flight.

SEA was the only flight these guys have been doing.

For instance in August all they are doing is SEA-NRT-ICN runs.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):
The sUA BOS and LAS bases remain open and they don't have any int'l flying.

   

You are mixing apples and orange.

The only other 777 bases are LAX, ORD, SFO, and DC. No need to have a 777 base in a city with zero flights.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting jetskipper (Reply 6):
Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 7):

Ah, I forgot UA had a pilot base in SEA. Thought it was just F/A's only.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 8):

They have a long history of flying this route. I'm willing to bet it still makes money for them especially since this bean counting management team is keeping it around.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The downgauge in capacity is likely no surprise as the Seattle route has long been one of the weaker ones especially off season, and now with partner ANA running the segment also.

The fact that DL is now operating both SEA-HND and SEA-HND certainly didn't make life easier for UA. Sounds like the market is speaking.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:52 pm

I think SEA makes sense for the 787. ANA joined the market and DL has increased capacity with the HND flight and up gauging seasonally to a 747 to NRT.

also with the DEN nonstop flight, there will be fewer connecting passengers through SEA since DEN O/D which was traditionally routed via SEA dried up.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 5):

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

They would not necessarily would close the sUA SEA base because of this flight. The sUA BOS and LAS bases remain open and they don't have any int'l flying.


I assume the 757/767 pilot base will remain open also. SEA gets a lot of 757s still and as far as I know is one of only two cities that does the 757 A-checks.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 11):

The fact that DL is now operating both SEA-HND and SEA-HND certainly didn't make life easier for UA.

I think DL has bitten off way more than it can chew in SEATYO, between its equipment changes that are all over the place and its higher exposure to low yield traffic, questionable AS flow, and the huge increase in capacity, it's just not sustainable.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 10):
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 11):

I think this hurt UA. It's been a 77E flight for a long while. Too bad UA never got a SEA-FRA working, or other Europe service.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 12):
I assume the 757/767 pilot base will remain open also.

SEA 757/767 crew base is tiny. Down to mere 22 Captains, and 21 FO's these days.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I think DL has bitten off way more than it can chew in SEATYO, between its equipment changes that are all over the place and its higher exposure to low yield traffic, questionable AS flow, and the huge increase in capacity, it's just not sustainable.

I don't think that anyone should assume that DL is or will be filling their flights with primarily O&D traffic. There are still many, many cities in the USA without their own nonstop service to Japan. Many of these cities already have nonstop service to SEA, while those that don't could easily receive nonstop service from either AS or DL.

Make no mistake: DL is not looking to the low yield travelers. They have been and continue to be very successful in attracting the higher yielding business traveler, attracting and creating new elites, cementing the loyalty of existing elites and winning the coveted corporate contracts away from other carriers.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 16):
I think DL has bitten off way more than it can chew in SEATYO, between its equipment changes that are all over the place

You are totally overlooking the fact that DL's equipment changes are one of the key elements of it's success: Matching supply with demand.

DL's diverse fleet gives it a significant advantage over the competition by providing them with more flexibility to put the right aircraft on the right route to match demand.

Been watching DL's stock price lately?

Tune in on Wednesday, July 24th to find out about DL's Q2 earnings.

Here's a hint: The engine is hitting on all cylinders.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 17):
You are totally overlooking the fact that DL's equipment changes are one of the key elements of it's success: Matching supply with demand.

You're jumping from "I don't think DL will be able to maintain this much capacity in SEATYO" to "I don't think DL is a well run airline", which is not the case. In fact DL probably has the strongest management team in the industry after US--regardless they still will have to rationalize their SEATYO capacity.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:52 pm

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 17):
You are totally overlooking the fact that DL's equipment changes are one of the key elements of it's success: Matching supply with demand.

So what, exactly, do you make of UA reducing the 777 to a 787 in the market, especially with an immunized JV/revenue sharing partner also operating 787 service on the route?
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Right. Unlike all those successful US carriers that aren't a'bean countin'

It would be one thing if they were bean counting and making money but they uh, aren't.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I think DL has bitten off way more than it can chew in SEATYO, between its equipment changes that are all over the place and its higher exposure to low yield traffic, questionable AS flow, and the huge increase in capacity, it's just not sustainable.

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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 12):
also with the DEN nonstop flight, there will be fewer connecting passengers through SEA since DEN O/D which was traditionally routed via SEA dried up.

That makes a lot of sense, I had not considered the DEN-NRT addition as a possible player in the down-gauge.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 12):
I think SEA makes sense for the 787. ANA joined the market and DL has increased capacity with the HND flight and up gauging seasonally to a 747 to NRT.

also with the DEN nonstop flight, there will be fewer connecting passengers through SEA since DEN O/D which was traditionally routed via SEA dried up.

Right, Star is pretty well represented with 2x 787 out of SEA + the new DEN>NRT routing makes sense on the down gauge. So, there are 600 + seats on the 3 flights which is probably right for the market.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:55 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
You're jumping from "I don't think DL will be able to maintain this much capacity in SEATYO" to "I don't think DL is a well run airline", which is not the case. In fact DL probably has the strongest management team in the industry after US--regardless they still will have to rationalize their SEATYO capacity.

Why? As long as we're making money, hand over fist, it really doesn't matter. We can afford to piss money down the drain at the moment as long as we're building market-share. As long as we're offering connecting service within Asia, NRT must remain in place as the primary TYO destination, while HND is purely to establish a foothold in the top-tier business fare demographics. Could there come a day when we drop NRT in favor of HND only out of SEA? Sure if we drop our interport routes and move them to SEA instead. Someday, we'll have to "simplify our model" but not now. The goal is to diminish UA's foothold on the TYO market out of SEA. I think we're beginning to see that take place.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 23):
while HND is purely to establish a foothold in the top-tier business fare demographics.

HND is there to maintain the allocation and lose the least amount of money possible at the same time.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 23):
The goal is to diminish UA's foothold on the TYO market out of SEA. I think we're beginning to see that take place.

I think UA is almost tangential in this case, as it is a JV with a hub on one end, whereas DL only has another airline's hub on one end. SEATYO, along with the other Asian destinations, is more about redrawing the Asian model for DL, as well as forcing AS' hand in the matter.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 20):

They seem to be doing fine but believe what you want to believe.

This SEP13 SEANRT is mostly 76W, whereas SEP12 was almost all 333.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:55 pm

It will be interesting to see where UA gets the 788 from...AFAIK they are only supposed to have 8 on property by November.

LAX-PEK
LAX-NRT
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS
SEA-NRT

It seems like it will take more than 8 frames to fly those routes.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:35 am

another downgrade, shrinking to profitability !
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:43 am

I'd have preferred a 767-300ER to keep Global First, as I really like the cabin crews on UA875 and 876, but I'll just move to NH's 777-300ER (be it from SEA in the summer or LAX/SFO the rest of the year).

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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
This SEP13 SEANRT is mostly 76W, whereas SEP12 was almost all 333.

For product, not necessarily capacity. The A330 will be back as soon as there are enough in the new config.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:49 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I think DL has bitten off way more than it can chew in SEATYO, between its equipment changes that are all over the place and its higher exposure to low yield traffic, questionable AS flow, and the huge increase in capacity, it's just not sustainable.

All these armchair CEO's who choose to make the comments. They may be right but where's the data to show this. How do you know AS is not feeding DL's Asian flights? How do you know there's too much capacity in the market? The market is peaking during this summer with a 747-400, 767-300, 777-200 and a 777-300ER.

Sorry to pick on you, MaverickM11.

In another thread, it appears that DL is going to be doing some juggling of aircraft between the 767-300, 747-400 and the 777-200ER. ANA will reduce their capacity from the summer 777-300ER to a 787. It doesn't surprise me that UA is going to a 787. If UA can't make the 787 work, then they're out. A good thing would be that UA would use the 787 during the off-peak months and return to the 777-200ER during the summer. Likewise, I hope ANA will bring back the 777-300ER next summer.
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 19):
So what, exactly, do you make of UA reducing the 777 to a 787 in the market, especially with an immunized JV/revenue sharing partner also operating 787 service on the route?

I think it may be an indication that UA's immunized JV isn't as strong as some may think, at least in this market.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 16):
There are still many, many cities in the USA without their own nonstop service to Japan. Many of these cities already have nonstop service to SEA, while those that don't could easily receive nonstop service from either AS or DL.

What you are overlooking is that most of those cities are either tiny markets to Japan (EUG, GEG) or have a lot of other hubs over which they can connect (AUS, STL). Despite its fairly small size, SEA isn't that easy a place in which to connect.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 30):
I think it may be an indication that UA's immunized JV isn't as strong as some may think, at least in this market.

I'm not sure how you can infer that...as you stated above SEA is used by DL as a connecting hub (DL and AS feeder flights) one would hope that DL can support more seats out of SEA than UA which doesn't use SEA as a connection point any longer. In essence UA offers double daily 788 service from SEA to NRT...that's not to bad for a spoke.

Why does every thread on UA or DL have to turn into a DL vs UA pissing match it's truly childish.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:14 am

Im not entirely surprised, as much as I was surprised at NH for sending the 787 there in the first place.

But think about it, *A customers in the PacNW have two flights now to choose from, and more seats still, than just the one 787.


And the crew base? well, if the 777 to NRT was keeping it alive, then i think it's gone.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:04 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Per GDS United will replace 777 service on Seattle - Tokyo market effective November with the 787.

Effective November 5th.
UA105 SEA-NRT 1210-1540
UA106 NRT-SEA 1835-1010

Also with this swap, its rumored the company will close down the pmUA Seattle 777 crew base which was hanging on solely thanks to the Narita flight.

The downgauge in capacity is likely no surprise as the Seattle route has long been one of the weaker ones especially off season, and now with partner ANA running the segment also.

FYI

Might be one problem closing crew base, doesn't surprise me that Ual management doesn't know about it though

From UPA LOA-25:

Seattle Base Commitment
The Company shall not exercise its rights under Section 8-H-3 of the Agreement to close
the Seattle Base for a period of two (2) years from date of signing (“DOS”) of the
Agreement.

The 787 and 777 share a common type rating just FYI, UPA was signed Dec 2012

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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting 30west (Reply 34):
Might be one problem closing crew base, doesn't surprise me that Ual management doesn't know about it though
UA also bases 767/757 pilots at SEA....as the rumored closing only would only effect the 777 pilots I'm not sure why you think there would be a contract issue. Fairly sure that UA management knows exactly what they are doing.

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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:11 am

Quoting 30west (Reply 34):
The 787 and 777 share a common type rating just FYI, UPA was signed Dec 2012

All 787 flights are currently flown by sCO pilots out of the IAH base. No sUA pilots are 787 qualified.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:15 am

And there-in lies the rub, a grievance will be the outcome as you point out close the 777 pilot domicile but the contract says nothing about downsizing so the next step is if management decides to keep base open and reduce staffing to 1 capt and 1 copilot on the 767/757. Are they still complying with contract ?

Goes to intent and negotiators notes and I don't know what those say, do you?
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting 30west (Reply 37):
if management decides to keep base open and reduce staffing to 1 capt and 1 copilot on the 767/757.

It's around 20 of each right now....doubt if it will go any lower until the base closes. Kind of a logical end for it as the domestic 757 fleet continues to be drawn down and replaced by 739ER.

Quoting 30west (Reply 37):
Goes to intent and negotiators notes and I don't know what those say, do you?

I don't but I bet that....

Quoting 30west (Reply 34):
Ual management

...does which is why they are making this change in the first place. I know people on this board will have a hard time accepting this but UA management does know what it's doing and does not intentionally screw over or harass their employees.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:46 am

Sorry I disagree on the running of the airline (compare it to DAL) operations

Also, disagree on the employee side, how many joint contracts done in how many years ? (compared to DAL/NWA)

I know , I heard the excuse for years " we are (UAL) exactly where we should be two years behind DAL in the merger process" how many years do you get to use this excuse as to why you can't execute?
 
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:50 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 25):
It will be interesting to see where UA gets the 788 from...AFAIK they are only supposed to have 8 on property by November.
LAX-PEK
LAX-NRT
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS
SEA-NRT
It seems like it will take more than 8 frames to fly those routes.
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Plenty of aircraft and then some...
IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS-IAH needs 3 aircraft
LAX-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX needs 3 aircraft
That takes care of current 6 frames.
7th frame is coming end of this month and will be used as a "spare" for those routes.
8th frame is coming late Sep/early Oct and will go on SEA-NRT-SEA route.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting 30west (Reply 39):
Sorry I disagree on the running of the airline (compare it to DAL) operations

DL is not UA and UA is not DL....neither airline is expected to run the same way nor should they be.

Quoting 30west (Reply 39):
how many joint contracts done in how many years ? (compared to DAL/NWA)

Just one....on both sides ....remember outside of DALPA DL has no unions (or at least no major ones as there is probably some simulator or ect union at DL I am forgetting about.) It did however take them two and a half years to finally de-certify all or NWs unions.....
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:55 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 29):
They may be right but where's the data to show this

Seats in SEATYO have more than doubled over the past two summers. I guarantee you the market size has not doubled. So that means lots more flow, which NH-NH should have little problem flowing beyond NRT. UA-NH should still be decent as it's a JV and both NH/UA are lighter on Y seats than F/J. DL, however, has to rely on a much smaller NRT presence, and zero presence at HND. On the SEA end the bulk of its flow is controlled by another carrier, whose interest is maximizing their revenue, not DL's; after all AS' operating margin is much higher than DL's. *Plus* codeshares are *always* much more difficult than same metal connections--see WN/FL and CO/UA disasters recently, and those were with carriers that could talk and make changes to pricing/scheduling/etc.. Since DL can't control the AS flow and perhaps since AS is also in bed with AA, DL has added a boat load of flying to SEA for that reason, and since DL's top flows on SEANRT tend to be things like LAS and MNL, forgive me if I don't think it's high yield. So there are a bunch of reasonable data points as to why I don't think the SEATYO capacity is sustainable. Pick your favorite.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 29):
ANA will reduce their capacity from the summer 777-300ER to a 787

It was meant to be a 787 from the beginning.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:59 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 40):
LAX-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX needs 3 aircraft

Possible but not sure those two flights can be combined that way...PVG and NRT both leave about an hour apart from one another.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 40):

I wonder what routes they could be? IAH will prolly get a new one.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 44):

I wonder what routes they could be? IAH will prolly get a new one.

It sure will. Straight to the moon. Right after all the hubs get a nonstop first.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 45):

Of course, but it won't be to the moon.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:31 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 43):
Possible but not sure those two flights can be combined that way...PVG and NRT both leave about an hour apart from one another.

Actually its almost 2 hours.
Day 1: LAX-NRT 13:45-17:00
Day 2: NRT-LAX 19:30-13:35 + LAX-PVG 15:25-19:45
Day 3: PVG-LAX 22:10-19:20
In theory there's even room (although not currently scheduled) for a LAX-IAH-LAX red eye in between arrival of PVG flight and departure of NRT flight the next day. Will likely happen to allow swap of aircrafts with the IAH routes.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:33 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 47):
In theory there's even room (although not currently scheduled) for a LAX-IAH-LAX red eye in between arrival of PVG flight and departure of NRT flight the next day.

Excellent...thanks for answering my question.
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RE: United Swaps SEA-NRT To 787; Rumor Close Crew Base

Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:50 am

The move to a 787 on SEA-NRT should have been completely expected. I am surprised it didn't come before LAX-NRT. There is a lot of competition in both markets but SEA is smaller of the two.

A 3 class 777 on SEA-NRT is simply too much.

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