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Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:29 am

Good morning folks and welcome to our newest thread of 2013, on this glorious Summer's day; what a fine day for those of you going out to DUB - no doubt great for photos! Indeed, great for anything ...

It's been an interesting time since the last thread, with plenty of developments, mostly positive.

The highlight, of course, was the announcement by EI of its new YYZ and SFO flights and now, of course, we also know about EI's 757 utilisation. Good news too from EI on the traffic front, with The Gathering contributing to very healthy load factors; EI's t/a traffic is showing very healthy growth and it looks like the A350 will be coming not a moment too soon when it does arrive, around two years from now.

Good to see also that EI is talking to Airbus about the NEO and particularly the A321 NEO, which will ultimately replace the 757s.

Etihad is now flying 777s to DUB and it's good to see that it's holding its own in the Irish market.

Less good news, unfortunately, for Cityjet, which will now longer be flying DUB-CDG on behalf of AF; some rumours speak of an operation by HOP, though the DUB-CDG route would surely sustain a flight by AF itself?

Let's hope Cityjet has a future; it would be a shame to see it go, after struggling for so long.

Most traffic statistics seem to be positive, but in a decision likely to surprise almost no-one, Minoan is to axe its F50 operation to Oxford.

Enjoy the weather folks; have a great day; I'll be out of circulation from next Thursday for about ten days, but I'll look forward to being in touch on my return ...
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:43 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Good to see also that EI is talking to Airbus about the NEO and particularly the A321 NEO, which will ultimately replace the 757s.

I hope they are also talking to Boeing about the 737 MAX. If they can get a better deal from Boeing they could replace the whole fleet from 2020 onwards for example.

Either way, you would expect the order to be A320/319 NEO as well to get the numbers up to get a bigger discount, with deliveries from the next decade.

Unless the plan is to lease...

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Let's hope Cityjet has a future; it would be a shame to see it go, after struggling for so long.

I am flying Cityjet for the first time in a couple of weeks time. It will also be my first flight into London City Airport, so I am quite looking forward to it.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Most traffic statistics seem to be positive, but in a decision likely to surprise almost no-one, Minoan is to axe its F50 operation to Oxford.

Completely unknown unfortunately. Might have to get my Fokker 50 experience on Cityjet if they don't go under before I get a chance to!
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:22 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Cityjet, which will now longer be flying DUB-CDG on behalf of AF; some rumours speak of an operation by HOP, though the DUB-CDG route would surely sustain a flight by AF itself?

DUB LCY will no longer be flown on behalf of AF. DUB CDG remains a wet lease.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...e-franchise-agreement-from-october

I had heard the opposite that WX wet lease flying for them could increase - but time will tell.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:38 am

Excellent article from CAPA on EI's long haul plans and the strength of Dublin from a North American perspective - larger than gatwick.

Aer Lingus’ Atlantic adventure tests the virtual airline concept

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...the-virtual-airline-concept-117866


Also a good chart on where the seats are going to this summer.

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Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:22 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
on this glorious Summer's day; what a fine day for those of you going out to DUB - no doubt great for photos! Indeed, great for anything ...

Yes its fab weather here for spotting and pics thats for sure. Long may it last its very un Irish  

With regards to Minoan they didnt advertise at all here which was stupid. Still thats life and they seem to be making more of a success on their Summer Greek Island routes which is good for them.

Cityjet shake up will be interesting to watch . I mentioned last year that there were lots of changes coming to WX/AF at DUB and Skyteam in general.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:57 am

The upcoming Bray Airshow is to feature on RTE Nationwide programme this evening.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:23 am

In non commercial aviation news...... the FlightFest facebook page has posted up a silhouette of an aircraft with the tagline "Announcement riddle: If Mr. Spock was an aircraft, what would he be?..."
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:49 am

Absolutely jammers on EI3720 ORKMAN this morning. Seems very heavy with business passengers/day trippers. A few connections onto EK and EY from what I could see. No mention of the EY codeshare, but the EY code is on the monitors at ORK.

Every time I travel I can't help but wish EI would introduce a 100 seat (preferably E-Jet) aircraft. I know EI have consodered it carefully prior to introducing the A319, so the currently available aircraft are not for them. The A319 offers simplicity, especially in the small numbers so far introduced . The E-195-E2 might be a different story in the future I suppose. With 150 seats and GTF it could be a great aircraft for EI, assuming the cost and complexity are not outweighed.

Any news on the 757s? When are we expecting to see the first 757 with a shamrock?
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13 am

Its certainly going to be very interesting to see the figures from SNN after the Summer. One carrier is reporting terrible LF's for June and the first week in July South of 50% !! Quite worrying if thats going to be the trend for the Summer.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:41 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 6):
If Mr. Spock was an aircraft, what would he be?..."

The 787 - strangely complicated...
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:18 pm

SNN was evacuated at about 07:15 this morning due to a false fire alarm. Normal ops have since resumed.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/le...ort-following-evacuation-1-5292233

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):

Its certainly going to be very interesting to see the figures from SNN after the Summer. One carrier is reporting terrible LF's for June and the first week in July South of 50% !!

That's disappointing to hear. Thankfully it's not the UA/ORD service which has been doing quite well in terms of loads. I've also heard US/PHL regularly comes in/goes out full (though I don't have detailed information on that). If I was a betting man I'd say BE/GLA.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):
That's disappointing to hear. Thankfully it's not the UA/ORD service which has been doing quite well in terms of loads. I've also heard US/PHL regularly comes in/goes out full (though I don't have detailed information on that). If I was a betting man I'd say BE/GLA.

Sorry meant to add its a TATL service!! Wouldnt be so worrying if it was just a SNN-UK flight.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:15 pm

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CFN most likely had its busiest day of the year today with 2 Saab 2000's , 1 Bae Jetstream 41 and the usual loganair Saab 340.
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:22 pm

Looking at the BA winter schedule. and if its been fully loaded, DUB is down to 6 daily with the last DUB-LHR at 1755, hopefully there is more to be loaded?!

For anyone thats interested, there is a new Ipad app a friend showed me last night called Flight+ full of airline/airport information.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Sorry meant to add its a TATL service!! Wouldnt be so worrying if it was just a SNN-UK flight.

Well my recent DL JFK-SNN-JFK's were full both ways in June/July midweek - I offered to offload myself at JFK (for $600 and a hotel) as it was oversold by 8 - when I was told the next available flight they could put me on was 2 days out I declined that offer. My sister flew the same flight 5 days later and had the same oversold experience so it seems like that flight is regularly going out full. Anecdotal of course. I would have expected US to be the loser of the pile but EI's higher fares with a larger aircraft in a competitive value obsessed market cant be helping their JFK route right now.
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting ei2ksea (Reply 14):
EI's higher fares with a larger aircraft in a competitive value obsessed market cant be helping their JFK route right now.

I was thinking that. It could be TS as well (though that wouldn't be much of a shock given its poor schedule).

In a broader sense, yields have surely dropped back somewhat on Ireland-USA this summer given the increased capacity by all carriers; EI (extra A332 deployed to DUB), DL (3 extra weekly JFK-DUB rotations), AA (new daily JFK-DUB), US (new daily PHL-SNN) and UA (new 5x weekly ORD-SNN). From this early stage various news outlets are reporting an increase in US inbound tourists on last year (just for The Gathering or will numbers continue to increase next year?) but this is probably not enough to maintain yield levels in light of the increased capacity.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 15):
From this early stage various news outlets are reporting an increase in US inbound tourists on last year (just for The Gathering or will numbers continue to increase next year?) but this is probably not enough to maintain yield levels in light of the increased capacity.

Its not just airlines hurting in the Shannon region either. Travel trade in the surrounding area are feeling the pinch also some alot harder than others. Its got nothing to do with people booking direct online either its just the business is not there anymore. Thats feedback from people with over 20 years of experience in the Shannon region. DELL pulling the plug was a huge blow to the region and had a bigger impact than some thought although many predicted it at the time.

Anyway its not all doom and gloom but next Summer will see some adjustments I feel. Over capacity for 2013 could be the word on certain routes and one might be cut totally or made more seasonal .
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:38 am

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 12):

What occasion brought 3 eastern airways ac to CFN? Very impressive sight!

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Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:31 am

Ryanair 'can't be trusted' to sell Aer Lingus stake

Ryanair shouldn't be allowed to oversee the sale of its near 30pc stake in Aer Lingus because it might otherwise sell it to "allies" who might later be persuaded to accept a fresh takeover offer for its smaller rival, Aer Lingus has argued.

Under takeover rules, Ryanair, headed by Michael O'Leary, is free to launch a fourth bid for Aer Lingus from August 29.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ell-aer-lingus-stake-29429417.html

I dont see what EI can do to stop FR selling its stake to an ''allie''. Not even the EU comission could get involved if it wasnt justified.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:29 am

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 19):

Passengers travelling through Shannon Airport rose 8% in June, according to the airport authority.

Long may the growth continue. Here are some interesting statistics:

"The research shows that of the US transatlantic passengers who arrived through Shannon last year, 46% holidayed in Clare, 43% in Kerry, 30% in Galway, 26% in Dublin, 24% in Cork and 17% in Limerick."

Meanwhile DUB records a 6% increase on last June, transatlantic up 18%: http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...s_Used_Dublin_Airport_in_June.aspx
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:42 am

Whilst the figures that have been ''released'' are promising on some routes. Its based on what ? I would like to go more in depth on a route by route,carrier by carrier basis. Not to take away from the increase compared to previous years but not all is what it seems and figures can be promoted in many ways.

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The number of passengers travelling through Shannon Airport rose 8% in June, according to the airport’s authority.

It marks the first time the airport has seen month-on-month growth in passenger numbers in five years, with the airport catering to 160,573 people in June compared to 148,531 in the same month of last year.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013...463197-shannon-airport-passengers/
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:59 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 19):
Long may the growth continue. Here are some interesting statistics:

"The research shows that of the US transatlantic passengers who arrived through Shannon last year, 46% holidayed in Clare, 43% in Kerry, 30% in Galway, 26% in Dublin, 24% in Cork and 17% in Limerick."

I don't think the Dublin figure is significant though? Given the numbers add up to well over 100%, all that those statistics say is that some of the people that holiday in Clare/Kerry also go up to Dublin. I think we all know that US visitors travel around Ireland? Why the airport they visit isn't that important. (Unlke short haul, where people are more liable to stay in the area they arrive in).

Anyhow, Shannon had to grow eventually but good to see that it has finally happened.  
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:51 pm

36% rise in TATL services is fanatstic news for Shannon for June!
I guess we can all talk hearsay and believe what we are told, but if there is no figues or exact facts to back these claims up - then it is pure speculation that some routes are underperforming or are not sustainable.

Best of luck to SNN - hope it is a whopper summer for TATL there and that their hard work pays off after all their efforts since DAA separation.
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:02 pm

Found some SNN and other Irish aviation history in some old boxes :


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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/photo-35_zps81ffe5b1.jpg

Amazing when you look back on it and all the wonderful routes from SNN on Russian metal .
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Etihad is now flying 777s to DUB and it's good to see that it's holding its own in the Irish market.

Partly thanks to me buying 2 tickets.  
Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
I dont see what EI can do to stop FR selling its stake to an ''allie''. Not even the EU comission could get involved if it wasnt justified.

Exactly, EI should stop crying. Business is Business. It could have been other way around. (* It almost was, 25 years ago )
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:30 pm

I recently got to finally try out the DUB-SEN route. It had been on my to do list for a while now.

My trip report is here :

Aer Lingus Regional+ A Rare Flight On The AP1 - 88 (by OA260 Jul 18 2013 in Trip Reports)

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/EIRSEN/file_zpscfb0e00f.jpg


A few issues but nothing major. Not sure I would use it more than LGW/LHR as its a bit far out for me but if the price was right and times were right I would not rule it out.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Its certainly going to be very interesting to see the figures from SNN after the Summer. One carrier is reporting terrible LF's for June and the first week in July South of 50% !! Quite worrying if thats going to be the trend for the Summer.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
The number of passengers travelling through Shannon Airport rose 8% in June, according to the airport’s authority.

Something doesn't quite stack up here although the RTE article does state that the main source of growth was the UA SNN-ORD service. I would suspect that US would be the most likely carrier to have suffered from poor load factors given their prolonged absence from SNN for the last few years but I did a few trial bookings in July and August and the load factors seem pretty healthy on the outbound flights with inbound not performing quite as well (perhaps a trend of passengers coming in via DUB and out via SNN?). I guess we won't know definitely until the Summer 14 schedules are announced.
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:34 am

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 26):
I did a few trial bookings in July and August and the load factors seem pretty healthy on the outbound flights

From what I've heard from people who've travelled it the last month it has been near full every time.

On the whole, USA numbers have increased 38% and capacity has increased 48% on this time last year so there's not too much of a difference there (i.e. on average load factors are 10% lower overall).
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:17 am

Interesting list of stats from the IAA :

Air Traffic at Dublin Up for Fourth Consecutive Month

Air traffic at Dublin Airport continues to grow, with commercial terminal flights up 3.9% in June. This is the fourth consecutive month in which growth at Dublin has been recorded. Air traffic was also up at Shannon, with commercial terminal flights up 1% in June.

In total, international arrivals and departures at Shannon, Dublin and Cork airports increased by 2.5% in June 2013, when compared to June 2012. On a cumulative basis, commercial terminal traffic for Shannon, Dublin and Cork airports for January to June 2013 was up by 1.0%, compared to the same period in 2012. Cork recorded negative growth of 6.1%.

https://www.iaa.ie/news.jsp?i=413&gc=99&p=106&n=124&date_from=1998-01-01&date_to=2100-01-01


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[Edited 2013-07-19 02:25:09]
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:22 pm

Aer Lingus have appointed Rokkan for their European digital work

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New York-based Rokkan has been flying high for months, picking up new clients and opening offices across the country. Now the Publicis Groupe shop has landed the European digital work for Aer Lingus, establishing the agency's first assignment across the pond.

Rokkan will helm a number of digital initiatives for Aer Lingus while also relaunching their website and booking engine. Aer Lingus say they were impressed with the work Rokkan had done for JetBlue and Virgin America.

http://www.adweek.com/news/technolog...nabbing-first-european-work-151158

EI-FCC has also received some stickers advertising their twitter account.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdee6174/9314914277/

Using the hashtag #socialjet for this one!

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Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 29):

Interesting. So EI plan on a new website soon?
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:01 pm

American Airlines flight AA55 (MAN-ORD) made an emergency landing at SNN this afternoon. The aircraft was a 763. Scheduled to be on its way again at 13:10 after an hour on the ground but was subsequently cancelled. Flightstats.com reporting the new estimated time of departure is 04:00 (20th July).
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:40 pm

A nice bit of old footage here a day in the life on an Aer Lingus B747 Pilot in 1991.

http://www.neelb.tv/archives/aer-lingus-training/
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:26 pm

Just doing a bit of random Google searching and happened upon this

'Midlands Airport calls for ‘community approach’ to civil aviation policy'

http://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/bus...to-civil-aviation-policy-1-5221586

Apparent the Midlands has the biggest population catchement in the country (funny, I always thought Dublin was). Make of that what you will. Anyone who invests in this derserves to loose their money.
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:53 pm

Update on the AA 767 diverted to SNN yesterday:

It departed to ORD as flight AA9271 at 08:10 today, arriving in Chicago at 10:57 local. The flight did not use preclearance. A faulty cargo hold fire indicator was the cause of the diversion.

http://avherald.com/h?article=46597dbf&opt=0
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:22 pm

Good news for EIR :

Busiest weekend ever for Aer Arann thanks to heatwave

AER ARANN is about to enjoy its busiest weekend ever as demand for travel surges in response to the good weather.
The most popular routes this weekend include new routes from London Southend Airport, Manchester and Birmingham.

http://www.independent.ie/business/b...n-thanks-to-heatwave-29432975.html

Also promising to hear that SEN is seeing strong demand.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:30 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 24):
EI should stop crying. Business is Business. It could have been other way around. (* It almost was, 25 years ago )

until the Irish Govt stepped in and forced EI to divest a couple of routes to FR to allow them to grow.......
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:31 am

Things gearing up for the FlightFest. The other great view would be on one of the VIP tickets onboard the A330  

Dubliners get a bird's eye view of FlightFest

PILOTS will be using Dublin City landmarks such as the Poolbeg chimney stacks at Ringsend to guide mammoth passenger planes down the River Liffey as part of an aviation extravaganza.

Yet it will be business as usual at Dublin Airport thanks to a carefully laid-out air traffic control blueprint as more than 30 aircraft fly over the city as part of a two-hour-long flypast.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...e-view-of-flightfest-29437488.html
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:37 am

Delta Suspends DUB-ATL from January-March 2014.

They will operate daily until 27th October 2013, then 5x weekly until 10th January 2014.
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:42 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 38):
Delta Suspends DUB-ATL from January-March 2014

Bad news if confirmed and unexpected.
IIRC the first suspension of the route in the off peak since it was introduced.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:45 am

The DL suspention is indeed correct from 11th Jan to 22nd March. Source from the availabilitty and schedules at www.delta.com and Amadeus GDS.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
The DL suspention is indeed correct from 11th Jan to 22nd March

Amazing to see ATL gone.
Suggests that Irish traffic to Florida is not what it once was, or that DL is losing out to UA to Ireland.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:11 pm

BFS is to be sold to an American firm:

http://www.belfastairport.com/en/news/1/266/airport-sale-agreed.html

Hopefully this will bring new investment to BFS,time will tell!!!!
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 42):
Suggests that Irish traffic to Florida is not what it once was, or that DL is losing out to UA to Ireland.

My ''personal'' view would be that they are maybe loosing out to the likes of US Airways as people tend to go for the cheaper fares DUB-PHL-MCO. US Airways had/have some cracking fares. There are also some great seat sales with BA / VS via LHR which oddly enough still attract Families. Some neighbours of mine booking next year for Florida went with VS as they had heard that they were great with the Kids in terms of kids packs/IFE etc... they heard it from a few of their friends and colleagues. The 1 stop LGW/LHR does not seem to put the Irish off either.

When the money was flowing in this Island people wanted the sun.moon and stars. Now the extra taxes/cut backs and austerity is biting people want value without having to sacrifice too much. They will spend more on the accomodation whilst there if they can save on the air fare.

Trends change different deals are made . DL used to clean up in Ireland on Florida but new options came into the market and they are all competing for less traffic. Im not saying DL are doing badly but its not a case of dropping into their hands as it had been in the past.

When EI cut out the trade some years ago they lost the loyalty of the Irish travel trade which boosted the US carriers even more. These days with the thaw in relations and more co operation with EI and the trade/tour operators they seem to have some of that loyalty back. They will certainly need it with the West coast thats for sure !!

I heard a rumour that Aer Lingus need 40% Europe-DUB traffic to feed SFO to make it work. Again only a rumour but it certainly is not unrealistic.
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:38 pm

Seems Servisair will soon disappear from Ireland to be replaced by Swissport.
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:38 pm

In other DL news, the SNN flights will be assigned new flight numbers for the 2014 season (DL223 for SNN-JFK and DL224 for JFK-SNN). The schedule remains the same for the moment - daily - with DL224 arriving at SNN 09:10 and DL223 departing for JFK at 10:45.

Also, DL will begin operating on the earlier date of 30th March 2014. This year they are operating 11th May - 1st October. As reported earlier in the year, DL carried 47,486 passengers between SNN and JFK in 2012, representing a 91% load factor.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...York_JFK_Daily_Summer_Service.aspx
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:12 pm

Quoting Nibog (Reply 42):
BFS is to be sold to an American firm:

Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Maybe they can get that rail line extended  
Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 44):
Seems Servisair will soon disappear from Ireland to be replaced by Swissport.

Last year when I had a 4 hour delay at DUB and they were refusing to hand out vouchers or offer any other assistance a supervisor at LHR told me they inherited these contracts from BMI and they were not keeping them by choice. So it seems that the contracts may have come to an end and Swissport have got the business as they do in other BA stations.
I did feel that Servisair did not represent BA well in terms of organising their ground operations or handling delays etc...
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:44 pm

quote=OA260,reply=43]US Airways had/have some cracking fares.[/quote]

Quoting OA260 (Reply 43):
Some neighbours of mine booking next year for Florida went with VS as they had heard that they were great with the Kids in terms of kids packs/IFE etc

Yes. A lot of positive image still hangs to VS, whereas the actual product now and in flight staff seems much more variable.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 43):
DL used to clean up in Ireland on Florida

Still it is a very bad sign if they cannot continue ATL now during the Florida winter holiday peak season. If you cant run a service to the megahub of megahubs from DUB, to the one best placed for serving Florida and very well placed to serve much of the USA DL must be doing something wrong.

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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Delta will of lost a lot of connection traffic to IAD and CLT over the last few years and the Irish T/A bubble is about to burst. The route must of major losses to cause a suspension however on the positive side JFK will have a B763 replacing a B757 for the winter.
 
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RE: Irish 9/13: Summer Is A State Of Mind!

Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 43):
I heard a rumour that Aer Lingus need 40% Europe-DUB traffic to feed SFO to make it work. Again only a rumour but it certainly is not unrealistic.

I would strongly agree with these estimates, in the absence of any specifics with regard to forward contractually secure Revenue agreements with regard to Premium seats on the route especially. Although, looking at Aer Lingus' Business Class entry pricing point on the route, it would suggest to me at least that there are significant forward purchases of Business seats, which somewhat eliminates or mitigates the downside risk.

However, when we consider the frequency of the re-launched route, solid Year Round volumes will be required. Personally, I feel that the re-launch of SFO will see a material diversion of otherwise DUB-ORD Southwest USA (West of Arizona/New Mexico) connecting traffic. With that in mind, I would question the viability of the second EI ORD rotation combined with the SFO route for Summer 2014.

On another note, I'd like to note for the record that I had an exceptional EI flight from DUB to ORD in recent days. The level of excellence demonstrated by the Operating Crew was representative of First rather than Business Class service and certainly encourages significant passenger loyalty, which is of course most important given recent capacity expansion measures.

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