nickh
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Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:53 am

This is indeed a sad article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...decaying-arizona-article-1.1400350

I remember the first time that I got to see a Lockheed Constellation in person and climb aboard it to get a personal tour. It was at San Jose Municipal, back in the early 1990s, when a friend and I took a plane there on a trip

The nice folks from SAC (Save-A-Connie) Foundation were there on one of the ramps with their Constellation, and the pilot was kind enough to show us around the plane on a personal tour.

Parked right next to it was Bill Cosby's Gulfstream G4 -- got to see that close-up too!

Does anyone know if any efforts are underway to save the classic that is mentioned in the article above?

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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:07 pm

Hey, wait a minute. They are showing two different types of aircraft there---a standard and a Super. The older one must be "Columbine I" which I thought was at the museum across from Davis-Monthan near Tucson-----or was that a 118?    oops senior moment!
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:31 pm

I have seen that plane at the Marana Regional Airport AVQ (not to be confused with old Marana AAF or Pinal Air Park MZJ nearby). I'd heard one of the Columbines was in a museum so I wasn't sure if this was an earlier plane or if it was being restored. Sad end for her and guess it is to much for a museum. She's parked in a place that isn't accessible. Far off in the dirt so you can't really taxi near her. Far away from the terminal too so you'd run afoul of Marana PD if you tried to sneak off for a look   Marana had another Connie down there N494TW restored in MATS colors that I believe was at one time owned by John Travolta.
 
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:53 pm

Marana [AVQ] Avra Valley was the home of the Mats Connie . The nearby Hanger and the hard standing in front of the hanger was it's winter home and where it would undergo it's annual maintenance. Come about Easter it would leave Avra Valley for it's tour of the airshows and would not be back until about the end of October.

It was, years ago, owned by John Travolta but it's last owner , was the one who spent lots of money to get it into airshow condition. If I remember correctly it was in 2005 that it was flown across the north Pacific so as to become a static display at a Korean museum.

At one time Avra Valley was quite a Connie base with the MATS Connie, the Dutch Connie, A proposed Connie for the Swiss, and the Connie in the opening posting.

Those were the days

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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:28 pm

There was already some chatter among some of the EAA faithful and other preservationists to try to save this.

Allegedly--third hand here--the Eisenhower Museum in Kansas might be a potential suitor. But it's going to take a big effort to restore and move, etc.

I hate seeing these beautiful airplanes just languishing there.

[Edited 2013-07-17 07:28:32]
 
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:00 pm

I swore I was on Columbine II at the WPAFM in Dayton a few years ago... Must have been mistaken.
 
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting pinsent (Reply 5):
I swore I was on Columbine II at the WPAFM in Dayton a few years ago... Must have been mistaken.

Columbine III, Ike's Air Force One from November 1954 to January 1961.

Yes, all the Columbines are confusing!
 
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting pinsent (Reply 5):
I swore I was on Columbine II at the WPAFM in Dayton a few years ago... Must have been mistaken.

You are close, Columbine III (VC121E - L1049B) is at Wright Patterson in Dayton, and Columbine I (VC121A - L749) is at Pima Air and Space Museum at Tucson.

This is Columbine III at Dayton:


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This is Columbine I at Pima/Tucson:


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This one is Columbine II at Avra Valley.


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While it is sad to see these aircraft "rotting", at least they are not scrapped, and they can be eventually restored. I have seen some wrecks in very bad shape at Pima, and have been restored to something astounding. The Boeing 307 for example.
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RE: Lockheed Constellation "Columbine-II"

Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:33 pm

Quoting nickh (Thread starter):
This is indeed a sad article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...00350

The first 2 photos in that article are of Columbine III, not the aircraft being discussed in the article.

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