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Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:37 am

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Oh dear. Sukhoi #Superjet very badly damaged, apparently during landing at Reykjavik: pic.twitter.com/a4bTIy8Fs6
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Looks like #Sukhoi #Superjet involved in landing accident at Reykjavik is prototype aircraft 95005.

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//Edit: Changed title to Keflavik, Tweet made me think it was at Reykjavik... But looking closer I realized it was KEF

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Reykjavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:43 am

I don't see the gear down.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Reykjavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:46 am

According to media in Iceland, the accident occurred at around 05:30 GMT this morning at Keflavik International Airport.

Five russians were onboard. One was taken to hospital with minor injuries.

The plane has been here for a few days, performing test flights. This morning, however, the landing gear failed to deploy, and the plane landed and ran off the runway.

The runway that the plane landed on is now closed, but all other operations at the airport are as per normal.

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Reykjavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:48 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 1):

I don't see the gear down.

You're right, first I thought the nose gear was hidden behind the slides, but it is supposed to be underneath the cockpit...
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Reykjavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:52 am

The second incident and only 16 or so have been delivered.

Not good...
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:02 am

Not good. Sorry to see this aircraft having such a bad time.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:32 am

Does KEF have a spare runway so that operations aren't affected?
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:31 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
Does KEF have a spare runway so that operations aren't affected?

RWY 20 is still available....
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:33 am

The a/c is busted, maybe a write off, but at least no deaths or serious injuries. Sure hurts the already troubled Superjet program.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:43 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 4):
The second incident and only 16 or so have been delivered.

Not good...

Am I the only one having flashbacks to all the Soviet-era jet accidents?
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:45 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
Does KEF have a spare runway so that operations aren't affected?

This is KEF
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:02 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
Does KEF have a spare runway so that operations aren't affected?

The Sukhoi Superjet landed on runway 11 so 11/29 is out of order for the time being.

More details here: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130721-0

Keflavik has two runways at a 90° angle against each other, 11/29 as well as 20/02. Both are nearly the same length (about 3.000 m, 10.000 ft.).
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting icelander (Reply 2):
The plane has been here for a few days, performing test flights. This morning, however, the landing gear failed to deploy, and the plane landed and ran off the runway.

IIRC, haven't Aeroflot complained about landing gear issues with their Superjets ? I believe in those cases, failure to retract properly.

This certainly seems to be a star-crossed program.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 9):
Am I the only one having flashbacks to all the Soviet-era jet accidents?

Probably as factually Russian aviation had its most unsafe period in the 90's after Soviet Union broke and much of Aeroflot was divided into small privately owned airlines.

Aeroflot's safety record in the times of Soviet Union wasn't that bad at all if we consider the extreme conditions of Siberia where many planes flew & the huge size of Aeroflot at that time. (according to some source they had around 1300 airliners and several thousands of smaller planes in the late 80's).

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:21 pm

Since this was testing and not a schedulled flight, are the Russiangs going have to foot the bill for all the cost KEF incurred ?
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:46 pm

Press release by Sukhoi, via email:

"Aviation Incident with Sukhoi Superjet 100 during Test Flights on Expanding Operational Conditions

Today, July 21, 2013, at 05.25 local time at Keflavik International Airport (Reykjavik, Iceland) an aviation incident with Sukhoi Superjet 100 tail number 97005 took place.

At the final stage of test flights to evaluate Sukhoi Superjet 100 performance of automatic landing system to execute CAT III A with strong crosswind conditions as part of additional certification trials on expanding operational conditions as well as imitation of landing with one engine failure the aircraft has touched the runway with retracted landing gear.

There were five people on board: three crew members, two certification center experts. No victims as a result of the incident occurred. One of the experts damaged his leg during evacuation procedures.

At the time of the incident all aircraft systems were functioning normally. Based on SCAC preliminary estimation the aircraft will be restored and returned back to test flights program."
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:49 pm

Geez, this is the last thing that Sukhoi want. I really wanted the Superjet to be successful - this certainly won't help things.

Although I just had a quick look and the Superjet does indeed have over two hundred orders, which is more than I thought it had. Hmm!
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:49 pm

Probably cross wind testing. Boeing and Airbus both use KEF for testing. Some of the video is amazing.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:06 pm

So two demonstration aircraft have been involved in accidents now.

Not a very good public relations, or confidence builder in the program.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:33 pm

Interjet was having the shivers for several days now and with this...I´m sure they are positively panicking.

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
At the final stage of test flights to evaluate Sukhoi Superjet 100 performance of automatic landing system to execute CAT III

This is key for Interjet as Toluca sees those conditions during winter, and as far as I know, they are the only pilots trained in Mexico along with Volaris for CAT III operations.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
the aircraft has touched the runway with retracted landing gear.

Interesting choice of words. And yeah, I guess this can be called touching:



But does the wording indicate that everything worked nominally, including gear, but the aircraft was accidentally brought into contact, when it should have been flying? Or that the crew forgot to lower the gear?
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:30 pm

Interjet, needs these Jets to make a Stop at CATEMACO, to use some of the local Chamans to exorcise the bad luck of these aircraft..

And now what ?

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:22 pm

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
At the time of the incident all aircraft systems were functioning normally.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 20):
Or that the crew forgot to lower the gear?

Based on the press release this would be a likely cause if all systems were working perfectly. Single-engine ILS with major crosswinds, task saturation, easy to forget something.

If there was a mechanical problem with the gear not extending prior to landing then they should have discontinued the approach and resolved the problem or declared an emergency and then landed in an appropriate emergency configuration.

We should wait to see if there are any indications/ATC transmissions that there was an emergency or mechanical problem on board.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
So two demonstration aircraft have been involved in accidents now.

Not a very good public relations, or confidence builder in the program.

True, but neither reflects poorly on the airplane....
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:27 pm

Its going to cost a fortune to send a repair team here. Hotel bills alone will be astronomical.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:59 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
So two demonstration aircraft have been involved in accidents now.

Not a very good public relations, or confidence builder in the program.

Two MD-80s were involved in accidents 6 weeks apart during the development program in 1980.

This one, at Edwards AFB was repaired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsT6DqkTDc
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800502-0

This one, 6 weeks later at Yuma, Arizona, was written off.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800619-0

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:04 pm

Looks like a flight test gone wrong... very likely not an issue with the aircraft itself, but more bad press is the last thing the Superjet needs...

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 9):
Am I the only one having flashbacks to all the Soviet-era jet accidents?

No, most people in the West still mentally live in the Cold War when it concerns anything Russian, which is one of the main obstacles the Superjet program faces. But there is no need to sell jets in the West other than for prestige purposes.

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
CAT III A with strong crosswind conditions as part of additional certification trials on expanding operational conditions as well as imitation of landing with one engine failure the aircraft has touched the runway with retracted landing gear.

As I suspected. KEF is a popular airport for xwind testing. CAT III and OEI add singificantly to the challenge...
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 26):
But there is no need to sell jets in the West other than for prestige purposes.

Unfortunately for Superjet and other Russian airframe makers, Western airlines are currently where most of the money is.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:49 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
Two MD-80s were involved in accidents 6 weeks apart during the development program in 1980.

Yes and MDC has a terrible difficult time selling the model at the time. They even had to revert to 1970s Airbus tactics of giving airlines free airframes to tryout.

But at the end what became later known as the MD-80 was a derivative of the trusty DC-9 from a well known and respected manufacturer.

The SSJ on the other hand is a brand new clean sheet design from a manufacturer hardly known outside the military world.

There already is enough doubts out there about the SSJ so any bit of bad news could be enough to further dissuade the market.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:25 pm

This doesn't have anything to do with Interjet, does it? I thought that aircraft was already painted in VCE. Or am I wildly off course?


What are the procedures for something like this in a foreign country, who foot the bill, launch investigations and so on...?
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:30 pm

Looks like a software glitch, but why didn't they take control and go around. Or what the heck test belly landing.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 31):
This doesn't have anything to do with Interjet, does it? I thought that aircraft was already painted in VCE. Or am I wildly off course?

No, the accident aircraft is one of the prototype test aircraft. However, coincidentally, Interjet's first aircraft was being delivered yesterday, also with a stop at KEF, then YYR (Goose Bay) and Bangor (BGR). Discussed in this thread yesterday.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 31):
This doesn't have anything to do with Interjet, does it? I thought that aircraft was already painted in VCE. Or am I wildly off course?


The 1st Interjet took off painted from Venice on Saturday and did pass through KEF but has now arrived in Bangor, Maine and will leave for Mexico on Monday.

http://twitter.com/SuperJetIntl/status/358530661935640576/photo/1

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 32):
Looks like a software glitch, but why didn't they take control and go around

Doesn't have to be anything as technical as a software glitch. Failing to concentrate will do it every time:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...lt-with-false-flap-problem-331889/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...rew-before-gear-up-landing-340293/


Since the crew was carrying out repeated approaches for the certification, it's also worth asking whether anything was inhibited.

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 27):


Unfortunately for Superjet and other Russian airframe makers, Western airlines are currently where most of the money is.

True, but the SSJ has picked up some orders from the East and there are going to be continued and strong orders coming from airlines in Aisa Pac and china.

However Sukhoi will be competing against western airframers (especially Bombardier and Embraer) for these orders and these incidents coupled with Russians aviation reputation doesn't help.

Good luck to them! I personally wish the programme every success.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 29):

I am surprised no one has compared it to the 788 yet

Just goes to show that it's not easy launching a clean sheet airliner. And the SSJ crash last year was attributed to crew failures, this one is still TBC.

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Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 36):
True, but the SSJ has picked up some orders from the East and there are going to be continued and strong orders coming from airlines in Aisa Pac and china.

The problem is that a majority of those not from the West or not from Russia are from third tier operators. Superjet's order book has an impressive list of airlines that most people have never heard of. Successful programs need orders from high profile blue chip airlines. China is not the best market to rely on- as they develop their own aviation industry Chinese airlines will be under greater pressure to order Chinese instead of Russian.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:19 am

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
At the time of the incident all aircraft systems were functioning normally.

All systems...except for the systems that deal with landing gear deployment.

Quoting Polot (Reply 37):
Superjet's order book has an impressive list of airlines that most people have never heard of.

Impressive by size, or by stature? I'd argue their stature couldn't be that impressive if nobody has ever heard of them. Outside of the FSU satellite states (Eastern Europe and some "-stans"), sanction-magnet states (Iran, North Korea), and other pariah states who pretend to not need Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, or Canadair products (Venezuela), who exactly is going "all-in" on the SSJ? Regarding your comment on Chinese carriers - they won't need to purchase aircraft that are designed and manufactured solely in China: they'll have the A320 series rolling off of assembly lines in Tianjin.

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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:36 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
So two demonstration aircraft have been involved in accidents now.

Not a very good public relations, or confidence builder in the program.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
Two MD-80s were involved in accidents 6 weeks apart during the development program in 1980.

This one, at Edwards AFB was repaired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsT6DqkTDc
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800502-0

This one, 6 weeks later at Yuma, Arizona, was written off.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...619-0

Also don't forget the A320 crash in 1988
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 38):
Impressive by size, or by stature? I'd argue their stature couldn't be that impressive if nobody has ever heard of them.

I meant stature. And not impressive as in they have impressive stature, but impressive in terms of the number of third tier airlines that make of their order book.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 38):
Outside of the FSU satellite states (Eastern Europe and some "-stans"), sanction-magnet states (Iran, North Korea), and other pariah states who pretend to not need Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, or Canadair products (Venezuela), who exactly is going "all-in" on the SSJ?

Nobody, which was my point. I think you were misreading my comments.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 38):
Regarding your comment on Chinese carriers - they won't need to purchase aircraft that are designed and manufactured solely in China: they'll have the A320 series rolling off of assembly lines in Tianjin.

Well yes, but that doesn't compete with the Superjet.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:14 am

Quoting rc135x (Reply 22):
Based on the press release this would be a likely cause if all systems were working perfectly. Single-engine ILS with major crosswinds, task saturation, easy to forget something.

I think we should reserve judgment on the pilots before all the facts are out.
 
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We now have a picture in the database:


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Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 42):
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 42):
We now have a picture in the database:

Ouch! This looks costly. Not a good situation.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:27 am

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 41):
I think we should reserve judgment on the pilots before all the facts are out.

I concur.
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:12 am

That plane needs some winglets IMO
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:26 am

What about the checklist for a OEI landing versus an normal one, do you extend the gear later? Could it be that the OEI CAT III checklist needs improvement, it might be that the gear was placed at a juncture where it can be easily lost in other tougf stuff to do, it was CAT III, side-wind (a lot) and only one engine operative, quite a bit to handle. Might be they got quite a gust just as they were coming to the gear part....
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:08 am

Slides appear to work fine.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:22 am

Here's another release from Sukhoi, also received via email:

Quote:
Incident with Experimental SSJ100 Has No Impact on Operations of this Aircraft Type by Airlines

Incident occurred morning July 21 at Keflavik International Airport has no impact on commercial operations of SSJ100 aircraft type.

Test flights were conducted as a part of Sukhoi Superjet 100 supplemental type certification aimed at expansion of operational conditions of the aircraft for ICAO CAT III A. Airlines at the moment do not perform such flights on this type of aircraft.

Achievement of Supplemental Type Certification for CAT III A allows aircraft to land in fully automatic mode till the moment it touches the runway even in complicated weather conditions.

Test flights to evaluate performance of automatic landing system with strong crosswind conditions are the most complicated part of the trials. Their purpose is to prevent possible in-flight emergency situations. The test flights conditions are in close proximity with extreme flight regimes in order to identify limits of safe operations of the aircraft.

The purpose of trials in Keflavik was to realize numerous automatic landings in various weather conditions including strong crosswind with various aircraft configurations.

“At the moment Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company has already reached sufficient volume of successful aircraft landings realization. Information we have obtained so far allows to finalize certification program on ICAO CAT III A in time”, said the First President for Quality and Certification Mr Igor Vinogradov.

More than 250 landing modes have already been tested in the framework of the test program."
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:04 am

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 9):
Am I the only one having flashbacks to all the Soviet-era jet accidents?

My history books are screaming at me right now looking at this.

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 48):

That will not quell the fears of passengers now, especially since two prototypes have no been W/o'ed. Horrible to see this happen  
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Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:17 am

The good thing about this is that it proved that the aircraft is sturdy built and can handle a belly landing.
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 am

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 9):
Am I the only one having flashbacks to all the Soviet-era jet accidents?

I'm not sure what you're getting at there. There were also more accidents in the west in those days and there still some accidents happening today. When BA38 came down short of the runway at LHR and when Captain Sullenberger ditched an A320 in the Hudson my thoughts didn't go back to the 1960s or 1970s .

Of course, I may have missed your point entirely.  
 
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RE: Landing Incident Sukhoi Superjet At Keflavik

Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:40 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 26):
Unfortunately for Superjet and other Russian airframe makers, Western airlines are currently where most of the money is.

   Have you checked financial reports of Western airlines over the past 10 years? In fact, those airlines are precisely where the money isn't. The West is no longer the premier aviation market it once was, Asia and the Middle East have taken over that role, with LatAm being the next big growth market. Leaving image aspects completely aside, today there would be no need to deliver aircraft to the West to be a commercially succesful program.

However, I agree with you however that Sukhoi needs some blue chip carriers to sign up, and a Western blue chip would be a big prestige & credibility boost that would attract further orders. That is where the public image element kicks in.

[Edited 2013-07-22 04:40:56]

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