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Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:32 pm

The first 777-300ER with the updated First Class product will enter service tomorrow. The First Class refresh project will be completed by Q3 2014. CX's 747-400s will not receive the updated First product.

Cathay Pacific unveils rejuvenated First Class product with fresh new look and additional features
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
The First Class refresh project will be completed by Q3 2014. CX's 747-400s will not receive the updated First product.

This seems like a constantly ongoing process in the Pacific / Asia market. One airline or another is trying to beat out the latest enhancements before they come out, these are the passengers airlines are looking to build long term relationships with.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:34 pm

Ummm, that's probably the classiest F class product I've seen in a while. It looks pretty sweet. Have to laugh at those FAs though, they look like kindergartners compared to the US legacies.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:43 pm

Very elegant. I assume this will only be on the 777-300ERs?
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:47 pm



Quoting wingman (Reply 2):
Ummm, that's probably the classiest F class product I've seen in a while.

I agree with that. Not much has changed from the previous F cabin, but those little changes in upholstery and trim makes a huge difference in the overall look of the product. It looks a lot more modern and classier than what's currently on offer in F, despite it being essentially the same seat.

Quoting AT (Reply 3):
I assume this will only be on the 777-300ERs?

Yes.

From the article:

Quote:
The First Class cabins in Cathay Pacific’s Boeing 747-400 aircraft are not included in the upgrade project as the fleet is in the process of being retired.


[Edited 2013-07-25 09:50:03]
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 2):
Have to laugh at those FAs though, they look like kindergartners compared to the US legacies.

how?
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:22 pm

Setting a new standard for First Class, this should not surprise us as Cathay has been the trend detter in F and J for the last few years.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Setting a new standard for First Class, this should not surprise us as Cathay has been the trend detter in F and J for the last few years.

These days you need a full cube (and maybe door) to classify as trend-setting in F : EK, SQ, OZ, EY etc

It makes UA and AA's so called international F look like glorified J
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:42 pm

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:45 pm

What a beautiful product. I really hope I get one on my LAX-HKG flight in January. Sounds like I'll have about a 50/50 shot if the retrofit schedule is constant.

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 8):

Or frequent flyer miles!

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
It makes UA and AA's so called international F look like glorified J
AA's new J seat is identical to Cathay's J seat. The new AA F is distinctive in its own way.

[Edited 2013-07-25 12:21:00]
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:18 pm

Wow!

Quoting wingman (Reply 2):
Ummm, that's probably the classiest F class product I've seen in a while. It looks pretty sweet. Have to laugh at those FAs though, they look like kindergartners compared to the US legacies.

Agreed! I was working the LAX-NRT flight last week and I was simply stunned at how old the FA/s were. Like, can she lift that pax bag?? eh..... I was relieved to see much younger ladies (and gentlemen) in our network on both sides shortly after!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 10):
The new AA F is distinctive in its own way.

"Distinctive" compared to Latin American carriers but only marginally competitive against European / Asian carriers. If not for corporate contracts and system wide upgrades and convenience of nonstop on certain routes, I'm surprised for anyone picking AA F over BA / JL / CX F.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:49 pm

It looks nice, but I'm not sure about the actual amount of space they give you. It looks a little cramped for a modern international first class seat ("cramped" of course being a relative term - I am speaking in comparison with other international first class, not what most of us are used to).

Couple examples:

JAL: http://www.jal.co.jp/en/newsky/ss7/first/
Singapore: http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/fl...th-us/first-listing/newfirstclass/

It looks like Cathay's using a herringbone pattern, whereas most other Asian airlines seem to save that for business class these days (or use staggered instead of herringbone) and give first class passengers the full length and width of the "suite" box.

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Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:08 pm

I mean that they're under 70. On primo long haul routes, especially in first class or business, the average age of an FA on US legacy carriers is 93.1 years. I've met some working grandmas that started out on Stratoliners and Connies. Nothing 16 minis of Chivas can't cure though, at least after you remove your glasses and don the sleeping mask.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 12):
"Distinctive" compared to Latin American carriers but only marginally competitive against European / Asian carriers.

That is not what I meant by "distinctive."

I can tell you have never sampled or studied the products.

For instance, there is one Latin American carrier with a better first class product than Cathay, both in concept and design.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:13 am

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 15):
For instance, there is one Latin American carrier with a better first class product than Cathay, both in concept and design.

I would be very interested to know which airline you're referring to...

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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 16):
I would be very interested to know which airline you're referring to...

The new TAM first class.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:37 am

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 17):

I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. Those seats have almost no privacy, which is one of the things I want in a F seat. The lengths are comparable, but the width of that TAM seat doesn't even come close to comparing to CX.

It's new. It's chic. And for some people it's great, but I want the privacy that's afforded by other designs.

Cathay is the epitome of comfort, function, and privacy.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:45 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
Cathay is the epitome of comfort, function, and privacy.

and that's just for the hard product, if we then start discussing about the soft product then my opinion is that they win hands down...
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:52 pm

I had the pleasure of flying CX F in a 747 earlier this year (on BA miles) and was thoroughly impressed with both the hard and soft products. Way ahead of BA (only other F class I've ever flown, which is very impressive and pleasant in it's own right). This refresh looks like basically new upholstery and finishing, everything else looks pretty much the same, which is good, they still have a winning formula up there with the best.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
These days you need a full cube (and maybe door) to classify as trend-setting in F : EK, SQ, OZ, EY etc

On the subject of doors and an enclosed personal "suite" as seen in SQ, EK etc, I don't feel this is necessary and seems far too extravagant (but then what else do you expect from EK?). I personally like to feel like I'm still on a plane rather than shut up in my own box. The CX seats, and to a lesser extent those on BA, offer a high level of privacy and comfort, way over and above the J seats on the same aircraft, and yet are also sufficiently open to be able to chat to other passengers and flight attendants if you so desire. The attendants in CX first are charming and I had a long conversation with the purser about her job and my holiday, she gave me tips on what to do in Hong Kong. I can't help but feel that this level of service would be lost if you shut yourself away in a suite.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:12 pm

I am sorry but I don't seems to see where the refresh or update this is?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:51 pm

Quoting celestar (Reply 21):

It's not a new product, but if you look at the old and new side-by-side, you'll very clearly see the difference.

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 19):
and that's just for the hard product, if we then start discussing about the soft product then my opinion is that they win hands down...

Bingo.   

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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:32 am

I notice that on the PTV screen it refers to CX100, the SYD flight....hmmmm intriguing.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):

IMHO, UA and AA's are appropriate given their overall position in the market. United's GF is a glorified J and I have always felt a very nice glorification! The question is does UA first generally cost the same as Cathay or Singapore First? If so...why, except for the generous miles you'd get from UA, would one choose United F?

My company and clients have SOMETIMES paid for UA First under the company contract...I can't imagine them paying for Cathay, Singapore or Swiss! (They do cost more than UA or AA?- right?)

Or do their corp contacts allow for accessible fees to their "big box" F suites?
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 23):

Hahahaha... It would be nice to see a 77H operating HKG-SYD that's for sure!
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:27 pm

So, which was the lucky route that got that bird?
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 26):

Looks like London... Following a short haul flight yesterday.. Rego of this refurbished plane is B-KPR. Currently en-route to LHR CX253.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:28 pm

Are there really no overhead bins any more in CX F? Or, is that just a photo of a mockup that doesn't have them?

http://www.cathaypacific.com/content...se/2013/20130725/CX%20FCL%2001.jpg
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:45 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 7):
These days you need a full cube (and maybe door) to classify as trend-setting in F : EK, SQ, OZ, EY etc

It makes UA and AA's so called international F look like glorified J

European and UA airlines do not go for all the glitz the Asian and Middle East airline sometimes do. Two different schools of thought, one is not better then the other just two mind sets. Lufthansa and BA have very nice First Cabins with no doors.

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 10):
AA's new J seat is identical to Cathay's J seat. The new AA F is distinctive in its own way.

Lets hope AA continues to get all their 77W and USairways management continues the refurbishment of the entire 777 fleet and take some cues from it for their A350 fleet.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Refreshes First Class Product

Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:48 pm

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 28):
Are there really no overhead bins any more in CX F?

That is correct. Each suite in F has a personal closet which can be used to store personal items.
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:01 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 30):
That is correct. Each suite in F has a personal closet which can be used to store personal items.

actually that closet is barely enough for shoes and a coat

your roller carry-on has to go below the ottoman