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Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:11 pm

Some pieces not in the previous LAX announcements/discussion....I've bolded what I think is the new information.

Delta To Add LAX-PDX Plus Other Changes (by Deltal1011man May 8 2013 in Civil Aviation)

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2060

Delta's new and expanded Los Angeles service includes (effective dates):

Pacific Northwest service with four new daily flights to Portland, Ore.*, as well as two additional daily flights to Seattle* (Sept. 3)
Expanded Bay Area service with three additional daily flights to San Francisco*, two additional daily flights to Oakland, Calif.*, and one additional daily flight to San Jose, Calif.*, (Sept. 3)
One additional daily flight to New Orleans (Sept. 3)
One additional daily flight to Kansas City, Mo.* (Sept. 3)
Additional flights to both Indianapolis and Columbus, Ohio resulting in daily service (Sept. 3)
Retimed daily service to Tampa, Fla., and Raleigh, N.C. (Sept. 3)
New limited daily service to Missoula, Mont.*, and Kalispell, Mont.* (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5)
New limited daily (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5) and Saturday only (Jan. 11 – March 29) service to Jackson Hole, Wyo.*
Seasonal limited daily (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5) and Saturday only (Jan. 11 – March 29) service to Bozeman, Mont.* (Dec. 21 – March 29)
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:28 pm

So some skiing resort flights it looks like, amd utilization of aircraft for a period when business routes slack off. Hopefully it'll be a good use of assets.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:39 pm

Does Limited daily=less than daily?
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting Mesaflyguy (Reply 2):
Does Limited daily=less than daily?

I appears to mean daily service that is limited to only 2 weeks.
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 pm

Quoting Mesaflyguy (Reply 2):
Does Limited daily=less than daily?

I believe the "limited daily" means that the daily service is only scheduled (Dec. 21 – Jan. 5)

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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting Mesaflyguy (Reply 2):
Does Limited daily=less than daily?

It means blink and you'll miss it.

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
So some skiing resort flights it looks like, amd utilization of aircraft for a period when business routes slack off. Hopefully it'll be a good use of assets.

   and retiming TPA/RDU to daylights probably while aircraft utilization is low in the fall
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:30 pm

Using delta.com to look at Monday, September 16, here are LAX frequencies for the highest frequency routes.

O&D markets:
SFO: 14x, all E-175
JFK: 7x, all 752/763
LAS: 7x, including 5x mainline
OAK: 7x
SEA: 5x + 10x Alaska codeshares
PHX: 5x
SAN: 5x
PDX: 4x + 5x Alaska codeshares
SJC: 4x + 3x Alaska codeshares

The hubs:
ATL: 10x, ranges from 738 through 777
SLC: 7x
MSP: 6x
DTW: 5x
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:46 pm

I'd hardly even bother to mention MSO or FCA/GPI if it is only for 14 days.
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 6):
O&D markets:
SAN: 5x

The daily number of local LAX-SAN traffic passengers among all airlines can't even fill one CRJ-200.
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 8):
The daily number of local LAX-SAN traffic passengers among all airlines can't even fill one CRJ-200.

   Says something about how many pax from SAN still use LAX as their connecting point! (Despite pretty healthy service levels to all cx domestic hubs out of Lindbergh -- including DL -- plus our own daily nonstops to LHR and NRT now.)

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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:57 am

Nice additions. Are they just using existing planes for this?

Man I'd love it if they'd add even just one daily flight to SBA!
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:03 am

I think JAC is a good add. They can still offer daily service and multiple time options thru SLC. Looks like a CRJ-700
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:14 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
and retiming TPA/RDU to daylights probably while aircraft utilization is low in the fall

RDU/CMH/IND all got re-timed due to AA adding them.

TPA is just to get more in-line with the bulk of the transcons now being morning flying vs red-eyes. IIRC the only non-hub red eyes left are MIA and one of the two MCO flights. (and i expect MIA to move to TPA/MCO type times. I don't think it can do any worse.)

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 10):
Nice additions. Are they just using existing planes for this?

yes

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 10):
Man I'd love it if they'd add even just one daily flight to SBA!

MRY/FAT/SBA would all be nice, but if Delta is only going to use 70+ seat aircraft in LAX its not going to happen anytime soon.

Would also like to see more frequency to SAN, via CR2s if need be.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Looks like a CRJ-700

IIRC all the "limited" daily adds are CR7s.
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Thread starter):
One additional daily flight to Kansas City, Mo.* (Sept. 3)

As discussed before this route is going from 1x A319 to 2x E75. There will now be a morning and evening option.
Plus, MCI-LAX will bridge in the E75s to LAX as SFO-LAX becomes all E75 in September.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:21 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 12):
MRY/FAT/SBA would all be nice, but if Delta is only going to use 70+ seat aircraft in LAX its not going to happen anytime soon.

Bummer. In that case, I'd love it if DL would talk AS into adding just one daily flight to SBA (via Horizon or something).

I realize it's a really small airport, but with all those flights out of LAX, seems like there's an opportunity for at least some connecting traffic.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 7):

I'd hardly even bother to mention MSO or FCA/GPI if it is only for 14 days.

Designed to be buzzworthy. It's a way to get publicity by offering "daily" service to all these nice ski resorts. Without losing millions on it. Moderately innovative IMO. At LAX, they have to be thinking outside the box.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:54 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 8):
The daily number of local LAX-SAN traffic passengers among all airlines can't even fill one CRJ-200.

DL is not going after the O&D passenger in market. They are going after the connecting passenger. Is this not obvious in this case?
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 12):
Would also like to see more frequency to SAN, via CR2s if need be.

When DL started LAX-SAN, in early 2010, it was 6x daily -- all on CR-2s -- and now they are at 5x - all CR7s and 9s. So I'm pretty sure the total number of seats has increased over the 3 years. I expect DL has scheduled the flights pretty carefully to make the most important connections with minimal wait times in LA.

I would not mind seeing more frequency/capacity on the route however. Perhaps gate space at LAX is becoming a factor so maybe the larger planes with less frequency is the key for them, at least on some routes.

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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
It means blink and you'll miss it.

 Wow!

Crazy scheduling.

DL seems to like to do bizarre things at LAX, with fancy big press releases.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 18):
Crazy scheduling.

DL seems to like to do bizarre things at LAX, with fancy big press releases.

It's not that crazy to run seasonal, once-weekly ski shuttles. ATL sees a ton of once-weekly service to beach destinations, and I believe CUN has over a dozen once-weekly destinations on DL.

As far as press releases go, it's probably the cheapest way to get the word out?
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 8):
The daily number of local LAX-SAN traffic passengers among all airlines can't even fill one CRJ-200.

Lots of connecting traffic on this route, especially to Asia and the East Coast.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:35 pm

The flights to Montana and Wyoming are pretty great! Western Montana, northern Idaho, and northwestern Wyoming are my favorite parts of the country. I'd much prefer to go in the spring or fall instead of winter though.

Anybody know what the new schedule for the RDU route is? My Delta Schedule Program only lists a 7 minute change for September.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Too bad BOS doesn't go year round. Maybe next time around.
 
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RE: Delta Further LAX Expansion: BZN/FCA/JAC/MSO

Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:20 pm

Very interesting. Anyone think LAX- MKE is viable?

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