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AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:52 pm

Why are the authorities of Níger keeping this aircraft grounded? The facts seems to be clear, a stowaway was on board, and when the landing gear was dropped he fell. The poor guy probably was already dead before that point, and both the crew and the airline can't do anything to avoid this kind of situations, the airport of origin and the security/ground staff should be under investigation here, not the aircraft. For how long can this plane be held ?? An investigation could last for several days...


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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:21 am

This seems to happen about twice a year to different carriers out of Africa. Aren't the airlines or their customers concerned about these types of security breeches?
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:04 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Why are the authorities of Níger keeping this aircraft grounded?

Probably, just a guess, because there is blood on the left wing of the aircraft. I suppose they need to find an explanation for that blood.
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:50 am

The aircraft is in effect it is a crime scene. They have to determine how he died, if from in flight exposure, as most likely. It may be a way to put pressures on airlines to take better security precautions as to potential stowaways.
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
It may be a way to put pressures on airlines to take better security precautions as to potential stowaway

It should be the responsibility of the airport to insure no one comes around planes and "sneak in"
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:05 am

I saw a documentary some years back, and one of the clips showed a 707 landing in Africa with a bunch of children running across the runway. I'm sure somebody else has seen the same documentary, or knows what I'm talking about.
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
This seems to happen about twice a year to different carriers out of Africa. Aren't the airlines or their customers concerned about these types of security breeches?

I'm sure they are very concerned especially with the bad press that accompanies each incident, but at the end of the day they are up to the local CAA and airport authority.

Over the past few months several stowaway incidents have occurred in Nigeria, Angola, Cameroon and South Africa mostly because airport perimeters are not kept in check. To create a truly impregnable barrier around an airport would be beyond 99% of African CAA's means.

But, as a spot gap solution, its now common practice for the aircraft, its landing gear in particular, to be completely floodlight by the chase fire engine while taxiing for take off in most African countries in order to ensure noone tries to hop into a wheel well (though in Nigeria this was done primarily to prevent robberies of the aircraft hold during taxiing lol).

Thing is, when your life is so desperate from poverty and you continuously see these films and movies glorifying Europe and the US as these economic havens, you pretty much figure that it would be better to die trying to escape your crappy conditions than just wasting away at home.
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:46 pm

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 7):
But, as a spot gap solution, its now common practice for the aircraft, its landing gear in particular, to be completely floodlight by the chase fire engine while taxiing for take off in most African countries

Wow.... first time I hear about this..... Is there at least one picture of this action anywhere in the net ?? Never seen that...

Thanks...

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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:12 pm

Yes, Airlines do this...in this case, the person was hit by the main landing gear I'm afraid. Hence the blood marks and the vibrations which triggered the decision to divert and inspect the plane.
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:29 am

"the passengers were rebooked onto other flights"

Yikes - which was when - a week later? What is the frequency of AF's CDG-Niamey service - maybe 2-3x/week?

May the stowaway RIP - just unfortunate all around.
 
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RE: AF A330 "grounded" In Níger After Stowaway Dies

Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:34 am

The answer is simple: the airport police general commissioner and/or the army general in charge of the airport is waiting for its big fat enveloppe from AF for the A330 to be released.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The aircraft is in effect it is a crime scene. They have to determine how he died, if from in flight exposure, as most likely. It may be a way to put pressures on airlines to take better security precautions as to potential stowaways.

With all respect due, this is not the US: nobody cares about how the guy died and who he was in the first place, read one thing or two about Niger and who rules there and you'll understand how it works.

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 6):
you continuously see these films and movies glorifying Europe and the US as these economic havens

I agree with you: North Korean films showing poverty and homeless in DC or Paris should be displayed in Africa otherwise it will end up being our fault
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