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Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:28 pm

Hi Everyone, please correct me if I am wrong.  

I remember a few year back Delta proudly announced the withdrawal of turboprops fleet from Delta Connection.
Several airports lost Delta service (e.g. HHH) because the CRJs were too big for those markets.

I was just checking out the 717 and 739 seat maps on Delta.com and saw that Delta has also listed the Embraer E120 seat map.

When did Delta bring back turboprops service or is Delta going to offer turboprops again? will the Saab340 be back?

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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Some routes ex-OO on the E120 are still served ex-SLC with a DL flight number. I think there was a TR about one such flight just a few days ago.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:36 pm

It's on there website... Probably out of SLC, that would be my guess. I couldn't guess a route though.

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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
Some routes ex-OO on the E120 are still served ex-SLC with a DL flight number.

Yup, you can see some of them by viewing flightaware.com by aircraft type:

http://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/E120
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:37 pm

They are all out of SLC, to places like WYS, EKO, PIH, TWF, SUN and GCC.

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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:39 pm

Cool, I thought Delta had gone all jet after the ASA ATR's left the fleet.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:00 pm

Nope the bro is still going strong for OO and thus Delta ( and UA )
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:24 pm

Quoting whitewasp (Reply 5):
Cool, I thought Delta had gone all jet after the ASA ATR's left the fleet.

I thought so too. I don't recall Delta lists the E120 in the Sky Magazine.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):
Nope the bro is still going strong for OO and thus Delta ( and UA )
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 4):
They are all out of SLC, to places like WYS, EKO, PIH, TWF, SUN and GCC.

Thanks guys! I am guessing there is no E120 in Delta livery and OO is flying the E120 for Delta in their own livery?

I did a quick search and only SkyWest own livery and UAX livery show up.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting super80 (Reply 7):
I did a quick search and only SkyWest own livery and UAX livery show up.

That's probably because the same plane can change affiliation as it moves between hubs and outstations. An example is one of today's SLC-RKS flights operated for Delta continues on under another flight number RKS-DEN for United.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20130727/1940Z/KSLC/KRKS

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...9/history/20130727/2107Z/KRKS/KDEN
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting super80 (Reply 7):
Thanks guys! I am guessing there is no E120 in Delta livery and OO is flying the E120 for Delta in their own livery?

Yes, all E-120s are operated at-risk by Skywest and in the Skywest livery. The OO EMB-120 agreement isn't a conventional DL Connection agreement, basically Delta just sells the tickets for Skywest; Skywest takes all the financial risk and deals with scheduling, gate leasing, etc.
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:04 am

Quoting super80 (Reply 7):
I don't recall Delta lists the E120 in the Sky Magazine.

They did this month anyway. I saw it when I flew to ZRH a few weeks ago. Now I know.
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting whitewasp (Reply 5):
Cool, I thought Delta had gone all jet after the ASA ATR's left the fleet.

The Saab was the last turboprop to be operated in Delta colors. The ATR was retired in December 2008. The Saab was retired in December 2011.

Quoting N776AU (Reply 10):
They did this month anyway.

No Brasilia is found in the July issue of Sky. I have never seen it in there. The ERJ-145 is shown, but no EMB-120.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:49 am

I don't recall the EMB-120 ever flying in Delta Connection livery. Back when the Brasilia was common and they were flown by ASA and Comair for Delta in addition to SkyWest, they all flew in the operator's own livery. I don't think Delta introduced a common Delta Connection livery until the arrival of the CRJ, though some liveries including SkyWest's blue/red combination seem similar to the Delta livery at the time. The SkyWest house livery flown on the Brasilia today is quite similar to the livery they used in the past.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:08 am

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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:11 am

Delta aka skywest has always been flying props out of SLC. I dont think they fly from any other hub. Some routes are extremely profitable and skywest has wanted to retire them for years but its hard when they come print money. Some airports like SUN cannot handle crjs even. Both delta and skywest do really well on these routes. SUN is the real money maker and st george they use to need the props but they just built a new airport. No one knows how long skywest will keep it going.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 1):
I think there was a TR about one such flight just a few days ago.

Indeed there was.   

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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:40 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
Some airports like SUN cannot handle crjs even.

SUN can definitely handle CRJs. Horizon F28s and even America West 733s have been scheduled there in the past.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:55 am

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 16):
SUN can definitely handle CRJs. Horizon F28s and even America West 733s have been scheduled there in the past.

But they had to get a waiver from the FAA to do it because of the size of the runway and lack of space on the ramp. That's the biggest contention right now about trying to build a new airport for SUN.......space and where they can build it with enough space for a long enough runway to accomodate larger a/c. If they could "legally" and safely handle CRJs, they would have done it a few years ago, instead of landing at TWF and bussing pax to SUN when the wx and minimums keep them from getting into SUN. A few years ago, OO told the powers that be in SUN that the Brasilias would be on their way out in a few years and something must be done to accomodate at least the CRJs.
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:29 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
But they had to get a waiver from the FAA to do it because of the size of the runway and lack of space on the ramp. That's the biggest contention right now about trying to build a new airport for SUN.......space and where they can build it with enough space for a long enough runway to accomodate larger a/c. If they could "legally" and safely handle CRJs, they would have done it a few years ago, instead of landing at TWF and bussing pax to SUN when the wx and minimums keep them from getting into SUN. A few years ago, OO told the powers that be in SUN that the Brasilias would be on their way out in a few years and something must be done to accomodate at least the CRJs.

The FAA did recently clear SkyWest to fly CRJ-700s into SUN. Yes, waivers make things more difficult, but it wasn't a dealbreaker for 737s in the past, and it's not one for regional jets today.

The runway length itself (7550ft) isn't the issue so much as obstructions and taxiway/ramp clearance alongside the runway. I'll concede that these problems do result in a shorter usable runway, but it's plenty to get aircraft larger than the EMB-120 in there (as Horizon is currently doing with the Q400), which the original claim suggested wasn't possible.

Do they need to address these issues long-term? Certainly, but it's not stopping SkyWest from flying CRJs there now if they wanted to.
 
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:49 pm

Doesn't Silver Airways operate some Saabs out of ATL on behalf of Delta? Or is Silver operating by themselves?
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RE: Is Delta Flying Turboprops Again?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 19):
Doesn't Silver Airways operate some Saabs out of ATL on behalf of Delta? Or is Silver operating by themselves?

Silver has an interline agreement with DL out of ATL, but does not codeshare with them and operates as Silver.

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