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LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:22 am

http://www.flightradar24.com/UAE216D

Just came across this flight. Looks like its going over Greenland at this time. Does 737-400 have this kind of range? I suppose it does not. Then where do they plan to make a refueling stop? Logically it would be KEF but they r far away from there.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:26 am

Flightradar is unreliable with displayed flight plans and not displaying the actual routing and fuel stops. I assume this airplane was sold by Alaska to a middle eastern carrier. It will probably stop in Keflavik then maybe Malta. I bet it stopped in Bangor, Maine as well.


edit: there must be some mistake with registrations. Flightaware shows this

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N705AS

and

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE216

is a regular scheduled flight by a 777-300ER

[Edited 2013-07-28 03:28:56]
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:48 am

Its actually A6-ECI a B77W - HEX codes are wrongly reported.

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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:35 am

I've done LAX-DXB in a G-V, (13 hrs)

If a G-V can do it, I'm sure a BBJ 737 can do it,
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:18 pm

Something is wrong with Flightradar24's info, for whatever reason it is showing N705AS for may different planes.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:29 pm

I suppose a BBJ with a bunch of auxiliary fuel tanks could do it
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 4):
Something is wrong with Flightradar24's info, for whatever reason it is showing N705AS for may different planes.

Yeah, I noticed that too. It's also showing up on multiple GA aircraft that initially display different regs. Hopefully these issues out sometime soon, it's a pretty cool website and it'd be nice if they could maintain high accuracy on a more consistent basis.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):

Are you sure? Max range of a 550 is sub 7000nm and LAX-DXB is around 7250nm.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:20 pm

Quoting corey07850 (Reply 7):

I believe he is a G-V pilot, so I'd think he'd know it if he did it.
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting corey07850 (Reply 7):
Are you sure? Max range of a 550 is sub 7000nm and LAX-DXB is around 7250nm.

yes I'm sure, we pulled the power back, we did that at M.77 instead of the usual M.85....long-range Bizjet operators rarely do this, CEOs don't like to fly slow. They'd rather go fast and stop for petro

If i'm not mistaken Delta ferried an A330 from Singapore to Atlanta non-stop... you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

[Edited 2013-07-28 14:11:09]
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

Indeed
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:13 pm

So it was really a 773 then I guess. Makes more sense.
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
If i'm not mistaken Delta ferried an A330 from Singapore to Atlanta non-stop... you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

you mean, just like when we get 20-30% better mileage IF we drive at 55-65 mph on the right lane ... instead of 75+ on the fast lane? but we don't   thinking others would pass us by!  

The same economics should work if the planes were full, right? A whole new question in that case: what if all the airlines decide to go at a slightly lower speed for better efficiency - and give it back to the passengers (in terms of lower fares) ... would that not find any takers?
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:48 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 12):

The problem with that is your reduced fleet utilization would more than offset any fuel savings.
And on flights where you have a long down time, like QF in LAX, if your stage lengths increase too much,
you lose your competitive advantage over one stops and connections.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 12):
you mean, just like when we get 20-30% better mileage IF we drive at 55-65 mph on the right lane ... instead of 75+ on the fast lane? but we don't thinking others would pass us by!

The same economics should work if the planes were full, right? A whole new question in that case: what if all the airlines decide to go at a slightly lower speed for better efficiency - and give it back to the passengers (in terms of lower fares) ... would that not find any takers?

I don't think that will work. If the airlines flew slower, they would get fewer flights/segments per day. The cost advantage of using less fuel would disappear pretty quickly.

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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
I've done LAX-DXB in a G-V, (13 hrs)

Whats a G-V?
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:55 pm

Considering I saw the 734 in question, 705AS, a few days ago, I'd say this is an error...It was wearing the full statehood scheme complete with the dog on the nose.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 15):
Whats a G-V?

It's a Gulfstream - V biz jet
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:07 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

Hmm, that's interesting. Back in the 70s when the US highway speed limit was rolled back to 55mph, Nixon had Air Force One fly at a slower speed. I remember the news reporting the irony of because it took longer to fly coast-to-coast, the plane actually used more fuel. I guess they were wrong.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 15):
Whats a G-V?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_V
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting mbk1999 (Reply 13):
The problem with that is your reduced fleet utilization would more than offset any fuel savings.
And on flights where you have a long down time, like QF in LAX, if your stage lengths increase too much,
you lose your competitive advantage over one stops and connections.

That's true, but I don't think it matters much on SYD-LAX if they arrive at 5:55AM or 6:55AM unless it creates a situation where more crew is needed.
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
I remember the news reporting the irony of because it took longer to fly coast-to-coast, the plane actually used more fuel. I guess they were wrong.

You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:38 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.

Oh! Well, that makes a difference then. Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it. When did wing and engine design start to favor the slower speeds, if that's the correct way to ask that question.
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.

sad but true. transcons in the USA were much shorter in the 60s than now, due to lack of traffic, the faster speeds of the 707 and DC8, the low fuel prices, and the race to be the best as a form of competition, because prices were fixed.
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:01 am

I remember one of very first NE 737-700NG delivery flight did SEA - BTS non stop.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
When did wing and engine design start to favor the slower speeds, if that's the correct way to ask that question.

Probably started with aircraft designed from the early 1970s onwards due to the huge increase in fuel prices during that period following the OPEC embargo around 1973 when fuel prices roughly tripled overnight.

The 1960s-designed 747 is probably the last major airliner with a wing where high speed was a major design criteria.
 
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:45 am

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
They'd rather go fast and stop for petro

I'm curious. Approximately at which point does stopping for gas and flying at full speed beats reduced cruise?
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RE: LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 19):

It could mess up connections....

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