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First A330 For Aerolíneas Argentinas Painted

Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:04 am

The first A330 for Aerolíneas Argentinas has been spotted in its full livery. The aircraft is an ex-Malaysia Airlines A330-200 (MSN 290) and is due for a delivery next month. The Argentine carrier plans to acquire twelve A330s over the next four years, allowing it to replace its four A340-200s and seven A340-300s. Most of the twelve aircraft will be second-hand models (four from Atlasjet Airlines, four from Malaysia Airlines).



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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:20 am

Wow, that's a hot looking ride. I love it!

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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:21 am

looks very smart in the new livery. . .
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:24 am

And all with PW engines?
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Most of the twelve aircraft will be second-hand models (four from Atlasjet Airlines, four from Malaysia Airlines).

I think Atlasjet only ever had three A330s?
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:30 am

Looks very good.

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
allowing it to replace its four A340-200s and seven A340-300s

They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:33 am

Very good looking plane. One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:53 am

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Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:08 pm

that is one good looking aircraft!!

Quoting sciurusmdg (Reply 6):
One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!

indeed!!

Any idea what routes she will fly are?
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Quoting sciurusmdg (Reply 6):
Very good looking plane. One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!

Agreed, someone did a fantastic job of creating a livery that, when seen, inspires dreams of a sleek flight in ones mind.
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:00 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):

Is it just me or are the Skyteam titles smaller than usual on this aircraft?

Anyway, both the ST logojet and the regular liveries look great! 

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RE: First A330 For Aerolíneas Argentinas Painted

Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:06 pm

Looking and sitting pretty. Hope to see some better shots soon.

FutureBrand (the design firm that did the new AA livery and logo) also did AR. Hard to believe, considering the large differences in style and quality.
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:12 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 5):
They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.

MAD-EZE is only 160 nm more than FRA-GRU. Do you really think this is a problem?
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:20 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
I think Atlasjet only ever had three A330s?

Oops, you're right.

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
And all with PW engines?

At least the KK and MH A330s have PW engines, not sure about the other frames on order.

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Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 11):

Well they seem to be a very good design agency! Both this AR livery as well as the new AA livery are two of my favourite liveries around! Maybe Finnair, Japan Airlines and a few others should use them!

Edit: It appears they also created the new Air Malta livery! They really are a great design firm!

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Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 5):
They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.
Quoting robffm2 (Reply 12):
MAD-EZE is only 160 nm more than FRA-GRU. Do you really think this is a problem?

Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting srqkef (Reply 10):
Is it just me or are the Skyteam titles smaller than usual on this aircraft?

Your right on the mark, the titles appear to be smaller.

http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20111106/201111060108084071.jpg

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Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
New A340-300 for AR - SkyTeam Livery

A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 11):
Hard to believe, considering the large differences in style and quality.

I believe that any decent house will demonstrate their versatility and flexibility in identity, livery and logo design... and I believe that FutureBrand is an excellent example of this as I, unlike some others on here, think that the new American livery is totally on-the-money.

AA's new scheme screams American - loud, proud, red-white-and-blue. AR's new scheme imbues the airline with a sense of maturity, confidence and sophistication while still maintaining an Argentine air and a connection with previous livery iterations.

I think the A332 looks great with the new livery and will look forward to seeing the A359 and A35J adorned similarly in years to come...   
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:59 am

Beautiful livery on a beautiful aircraft..
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:04 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?

You can rule out all European routes. The A340's will be doing them as the A330's take their role on intra-american route BOG/CCS/MIA and soon to be JFK (to be opened 12/15/13 with A332). The A330's will not be able to cross the atlantic given the lack of ETOPS rating for AR.

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
And all with PW engines?

Yup. All with PW. I do think the Trents or even the ever lasting GE CF-6 would've been a better choice - however, the PW powered A330's seem to be good enough for DL. I guess it's just how you make them work  

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Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
Yup. All with PW. I do think the Trents or even the ever lasting GE CF-6 would've been a better choice - however, the PW powered A330's seem to be good enough for DL. I guess it's just how you make them work

This seem to hold true! I've also read somewhere on here that the same happens with China Southern Airlines as well - their fleet of A332s are powered by a mix of RR Trents and PW engines, but it seemed they use the PW powered birds for their longest A332 missions, e.g. CAN-AKL. Their Trent powered birds are used for shorter runs, I.e. CAN-Australia, etc...
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:27 am

Any chance AR will try to return to MEX nonstop now that it will have A330s?
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:15 am

Quoting Megatop747-412 (Reply 21):
This seem to hold true! I've also read somewhere on here that the same happens with China Southern Airlines as well - their fleet of A332s are powered by a mix of RR Trents and PW engines, but it seemed they use the PW powered birds for their longest A332 missions, e.g. CAN-AKL. Their Trent powered birds are used for shorter runs, I.e. CAN-Australia, etc...

The 3-spool architecture of the Trent is especially efficient in takeoff and climb.
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RE: First A330 For Aerolíneas Argentinas Painted

Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:28 am

I do wonder if AR will continue to fly to SYD in future.

If it does indeed retire all its A340s, it really leaves nothing for them to serve this route.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 17):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
New A340-300 for AR - SkyTeam Livery

A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?

I've searched and can't verify if this is correct.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:25 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?

Air Europa use the 330-200 on MAD-EZE so this should not be a problem for the type itself, but as another poster mentioned the lack of ETOPS approval for AR being an issue anyway.
 
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RE: First A330 For Aerolíneas Argentinas Painted

Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:15 am

Thats a nice looking scheme!!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 24):

If it does indeed retire all its A340s, it really leaves nothing for them to serve this route.

Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?

I've searched and can't verify if this is correct.

Unless LV-FPJ has been very recently delivered to AR it doesn't exist.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):
Unless LV-FPJ has been very recently delivered to AR it doesn't exist.

Yes. It is the one in France being painted. msn 193 has just been ferried for the paintjob to be started. The correct reg for that airframe (the one in Skyteam colors) should be LV-FPV.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):

Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

While the A340-500's are being seriously considered - the A340-600 are being evaluated too. The A340-600 has the benefit of having a lower CASM than the A340-500 as it has more seats to counter the costs than the latter. The A340-500 would only make sense on a premium, ULR mission - which, AR does not have the need to operate. There's also to consider that some A340-600 (I don't know if all) have a very expensive maintenance programme, so I've heard. Can anyone confirm?

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Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:33 pm

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:11 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 28):

Yes. It is the one in France being painted. msn 193 has just been ferried for the paintjob to be started. The correct reg for that airframe (the one in Skyteam colors) should be LV-FPV.

Interesting thanks!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 28):

While the A340-500's are being seriously considered - the A340-600 are being evaluated too.

AR have been rumoured several times to get A346s QR's fleet of 4 was the last I remember being considered. The A346 makes more sense. They could use them to MAD and SYD. I wonder how long the other A340s will stay? A small sub fleet isn't the most ideal but this is AR.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:05 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):
Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

The fuel consumption is not a decision making factor for the AR management. AR is flying with the generous contribution of 2 million dollars every day ( from the tax payers and the retirement funds ), and a gas guzzler aircraft only could take a few millions more ever year.... Who cares ?? Not Mr. Recalde for sure.

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 31):
The fuel consumption is not a decision making factor for the AR management. AR is flying with the generous contribution of 2 million dollars every day ( from the tax payers and the retirement funds ), and a gas guzzler aircraft only could take a few millions more ever year.... Who cares ?? Not Mr. Recalde for sure.

Really? Please. Go bash somewhere else.You've already started a thread for that purpose.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 30):
AR have been rumoured several times to get A346s QR's fleet of 4 was the last I remember being considered. The A346 makes more sense. They could use them to MAD and SYD. I wonder how long the other A340s will stay? A small sub fleet isn't the most ideal but this is AR.

MAD, for sure. It is the only route that would justify a 300+ seat airplane. SYD would be another thing entirely. It would be an additional extracapacity - but, no operational restrictions in Winter, giving the fleet much more flexibility. I don't know what is the fuel consumption difference between the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 - but I do guess it beats the problems generated by greater headwinds in Winter.

AR was actually looking into the A340-600 - it was not a rumour, however the Rolls Royce Programme was said to be the determining factor into declining the offer given that the Programme was very expensive and AR has the capabilities of doing most of the work themselves (except for major OH). I don't know if the RR Programme can be discontinued if it is the operators wish.

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:15 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 32):

MAD, for sure. It is the only route that would justify a 300+ seat airplane. SYD would be another thing entirely. It would be an additional extracapacity - but, no operational restrictions in Winter, giving the fleet much more flexibility. I don't know what is the fuel consumption difference between the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 - but I do guess it beats the problems generated by greater headwinds in Winter.

AR was actually looking into the A340-600 - it was not a rumour, however the Rolls Royce Programme was said to be the determining factor into declining the offer given that the Programme was very expensive and AR has the capabilities of doing most of the work themselves (except for major OH). I don't know if the RR Programme can be discontinued if it is the operators wish.

I'm sure Zeke can give a good comparison on the fuel consumption of the -300 against the -600. I wonder if he will wander into this thread.

With a few -600's coming on to the second hand market there should be some becoming available at attractive lease rates. It seems like it could be a good aircraft for AR.

I'm sure there must be a way around the engine program issues, i'm sure others such as LH and IB have similar inhouse capabilities.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:26 pm

I can also see the A340-600 or A340-500 as a good aircraft for AR, the A340-500 moreso than the A340-600 but let's wait and see what they will go for. In any case, these four-holers are the only option for them seeing that they have no ETOPS certifications (yet). The A340 will give them another 10-15 years to obtain the ETOPS certification 

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