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OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:42 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

NOTE: It appears that something changed recently and now we are seeing flights that are not available for sale such as scheduled charters. It does not appear there is any way to detect them as of now. They will now appear when they change.

AA DFW-BZE DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-CUU DEC 2>1.9 JAN 2>1.9 FEB 2>1.9 MAR 2>1.8
AA DFW-CZM NOV 0.8>1.0 DEC 1.0>1.7 JAN 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.7 MAR 1.0>1.7
AA DFW-GDL DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
AA DFW-GUA DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-LIR NOV 0.2>0.5 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0
AA DFW-MBJ DEC 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9 MAR 0.7>0.9
*AA DFW-NAS DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
AA DFW-PHX SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
AA DFW-PTY DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
AA DFW-PVR NOV 1.4>1.9 DEC 1.1>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3 MAR 1.2>3
AA DFW-SJD DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>4
AA DFW-SLP NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA DFW-VER DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7
*AA DFW-ZIH DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA JFK-ANU DEC 0.5>1.0 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.6>1.0
Hmm, big increase
**AA JFK-CUN NOV 1.5>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3
AA JFK-SKB DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2
AA LAX-SJD DEC 1.7>1.8 JAN 1.7>1.9 FEB 1.7>1.9 MAR 1.7>1.9
AA LGA-YYZ DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
AA MIA-BOG NOV 1.8>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-CUN NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
AA MIA-FDF DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.2>0.3
AA MIA-GGT NOV 0.8>1.2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-GND DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>0.8 MAR 0.5>0.7
AA MIA-GUA NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA MIA-LIR NOV 0.8>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2.0
AA MIA-MDE DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-REC DEC 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9 MAR 0.7>0.8
AA MIA-RTB DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
AA MIA-SCL NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2.0
AA MIA-SKB NOV 1.0>1.2 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.6 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.6
AA MIA-SSA DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.6 FEB 0.7>0.6 MAR 0.7>0.6
AA ORD-CUN NOV 0.8>1.1 DEC 1.1>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3 MAR 1.2>3
AA ORD-CZM DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
AA ORD-MBJ NOV 0.1>0.3 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0
AA ORD-PVR NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0>1.3 FEB 0>1.3 MAR 0>1.3
AA ORD-SJD NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.1>1.1 JAN 0.1>1.1 FEB 0.1>1.1 MAR 0.2>1.2
AA ORD-YOW DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.8
AA ORD-YUL DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4

AC MIA-YUL NOV 0.3>0.2

AM ORD-GDL OCT 0.5>1.0 NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.5>1.0 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.6>1.0

AR JFK-EZE DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

AT JFK-CMN NOV 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8

AV MIA-CTG SEP 1.0>0.9

BA EWR-ORY DEC 1.6>1.5

BW JFK-GEO OCT 0.5>0.4
BW JFK-POS OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3

DL ATL-ASE JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
DL ATL-BHM DEC 10>8 FEB 10>8
DL ATL-CHS FEB 10>9 MAR 11>10
DL ATL-GPT MAR 5>6
DL ATL-GSP JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
DL ATL-MKE DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7
DL ATL-PBI JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10
DL ATL-PDX DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL ATL-PNS NOV 8>7
DL ATL-ROA MAR 4>5
DL ATL-SGF DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 MAR 5>6
DL ATL-SHV MAR 7>8
DL ATL-YYZ MAR 8>7
DL DTW-ATL NOV 10>11
DL DTW-BDL FEB 5>6
DL DTW-BUF NOV 7>6
DL DTW-FWA MAR 4>5
DL DTW-LEX JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 5>6
DL DTW-MKE MAR 8>7
DL DTW-MLI MAR 3>4
DL DTW-MQT MAR 3>2.0
DL DTW-ORF JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
DL DTW-PHL FEB 7>6 MAR 8>6
DL DTW-PIT MAR 6>5
DL DTW-PVD NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL DTW-RIC JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL DTW-ROA MAR 1.0>1.9
DL DTW-SBN MAR 5>6
DL DTW-TYS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL DTW-YYZ MAR 7>8
DL ISN-MSP NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL JFK-SAN MAR 1.0>2.0
DL LAX-SFO DEC 13>12 JAN 14>13
DL LGA-BHM NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.8>0.8
DL LGA-DEN JAN 1.2>2
DL LGA-FLL NOV 4>5 JAN 5>6 FEB 4>5
DL LGA-IAH MAR 3>4
DL LGA-ILM DEC 2.0>1.0 JAN 3>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 3>2.0
DL LGA-IND DEC 5>6
DL LGA-JAX JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL LGA-PWM NOV 4>3 MAR 5>4
DL LGA-RSW JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL LGA-TPA MAR 4>5
*DL MCO-NAS JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
Looks like they are basically not flying any MEM for the Holiday period
DL MEM-AUS DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-BNA DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-BOS DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-CLT DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-CMH DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-DCA DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-DEN DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-DFW DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-IAH DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-IND DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-MCI DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-MKE DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-MSY DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-ORD DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-PHL DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-PIT DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-RDU DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-SAT DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-SDF DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-TPA DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MSP-NAS JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
DL MSP-PIT FEB 3>4
*DL RDU-NAS JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
DL SLC-GDL JAN 0>0.1

*F9 DEN-MBJ FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

J5 AGN-TKE AUG 1.1>3
J5 ELV-JNU AUG 0>3
J5 GST-JNU AUG 0>6 SEP 3>4
J5 HNH-JNU AUG 0.9>5 SEP 3>4
J5 HNS-JNU AUG 0>5 SEP 4>5
J5 HNS-SGY AUG 0>1.8
J5 JNU-PEC AUG 0>3
J5 JNU-SGY AUG 0>4 SEP 3>4

KE HNL-ICN AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.5 OCT 2>1.7

LR MIA-SJO SEP 1.0>0.7

LW IAD-LNS AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5

WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.
NK AZA-DEN DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-ORD NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DEN-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

SE JFK-CDG SEP 0.5>0.6
SE JFK-MRS SEP 0.3>0.1 OCT 0.2>0.1

TA DFW-SAL SEP 1.0>0.8
TA MIA-SAP SEP 1.0>0.8

UA DEN-RAP OCT 7>6
UA EWR-FCO MAR 0>0.6
*UA EWR-MYR NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAH-ASE MAR 2>3
UA IAH-CHS NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.4
UA IAH-MEX NOV 8>9
UA IAH-MSY DEC 10>11
UA IAH-RDU NOV 5>4
UA IAH-TUL NOV 9>8
UA ORD-COS OCT 4>3
UA ORD-ICT OCT 5>4
UA SFO-FRA MAR 0.9>1.0
UA SFO-MMH DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.6 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.6

UN JFK-VKO NOV 0.4>0.7 DEC 0.4>0.7
UN LAX-DME NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
UN MIA-VKO NOV 0.2>0.3 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.2>0.3

*VW AUS-MEX OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

YV MKK-OGG AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

YOY Compare
WN ABQ-PHX JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN ATL-AUA DEC 1.0>0.6
WN ATL-BDL DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3
WN ATL-BUF DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
WN ATL-BWI DEC 9>8 FEB 9>8
WN ATL-CAK JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN ATL-DAY JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
WN ATL-DTW DEC 4>3
WN ATL-FLL DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN ATL-JAX JAN 4>3
WN ATL-LGA DEC 8>6 JAN 8>6 FEB 8>6
WN ATL-MCO DEC 10>9 JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9
WN ATL-MDW DEC 10>9 JAN 10>8 FEB 10>8
WN ATL-MEM DEC 4>0 JAN 5>0 FEB 5>0
WN ATL-MKE FEB 5>4
WN ATL-NAS JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4
WN ATL-OKC DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
WN ATL-PBI DEC 2>3
WN ATL-PHL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN ATL-PHX DEC 3>2
WN ATL-PNS DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
WN ATL-SAN DEC 0>2 JAN 0>1.2 FEB 0>1.5
WN ATL-SAT JAN 4>3 FEB 4>1.9
WN ATL-SJU DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:44 pm

WN ATL-STL DEC 3>4
WN AUS-BWI DEC 3>1.9
WN AUS-CUN JAN 0.4>0.6 FEB 0.4>0.6
WN AUS-ELP JAN 3>2 FEB 3>1.9
WN AUS-EWR DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN AUS-HOU DEC 6>4 JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
WN AUS-LBB DEC 1.8>1.0 FEB 1.5>1.0
WN AUS-MSY DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BHM-STL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
WN BKG-DAL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BKG-HOU DEC 0.1>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BKG-MDW DEC 0.1>1.5 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BNA-BOS FEB 1.5>0.9
WN BNA-CLE DEC 2>3 JAN 1.8>3 FEB 1.9>3
WN BNA-ECP JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.1
WN BNA-EWR DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN BNA-LGA DEC 0>1.9
WN BNA-PIT DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BNA-PNS DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
WN BOS-BWI JAN 11>10 FEB 11>10
WN BOS-HOU DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
WN BOS-MCI DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN BOS-MCO DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1
WN BUR-LAS DEC 11>9 JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9
WN BUR-OAK DEC 13>12 JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12
WN BUR-PHX JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN BUR-SJC JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN BUR-SMF JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN BWI-AUA DEC 0.4>0.7
WN BWI-CLT DEC 3>2.0
WN BWI-CUN DEC 1.9>1.7
WN BWI-FLL JAN 11>10 FEB 12>10
WN BWI-FNT DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>2.0 FEB 0>2
WN BWI-GSP DEC 2>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.8>1.0
WN BWI-JAN DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN BWI-LAS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
WN BWI-MBJ JAN 1.5>1.3 FEB 1.6>1.3
WN BWI-MCO DEC 12>10 JAN 11>10 FEB 12>10
WN BWI-MEM DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN BWI-MHT JAN 7>6 FEB 8>6
WN BWI-NAS JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
WN BWI-ORF JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN BWI-PUJ DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
WN BWI-PVD JAN 8>6 FEB 8>6
WN BWI-ROC DEC 3>1.9
WN BWI-SJU DEC 1.7>2 JAN 1.7>2
WN BWI-TPA DEC 9>8
WN CAK-MDW DEC 2>0 JAN 1.9>0 FEB 1.9>0
WN CAK-RSW JAN 2>1.1
WN CAK-TPA FEB 1.5>1.1
WN CHS-MDW DEC 2.0>1.2
WN CLE-MDW JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
WN CLT-HOU DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN CLT-MCO DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN CLT-MDW DEC 0>2 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN CMH-MDW DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
WN CRP-HOU JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN DAL-ELP JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN DAL-ICT DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>1.9
WN DAL-LBB DEC 5>6
WN DAL-MCI JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9
WN DAL-MSY DEC 7>8
WN DAL-OKC DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN DAY-TPA DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
WN DCA-HOU DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
WN DCA-MCO DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN DEN-FLL DEC 2>1.3
WN DEN-GRR DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN DEN-HOU JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
WN DEN-MHT DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN DEN-MKE JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.8
WN DEN-PHL DEC 3>1.9
WN DEN-PHX FEB 9>8
WN DEN-PVD DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN DEN-SJD DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
WN DEN-SMF DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
WN DSM-LAS DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN ECP-HOU JAN 1.9>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN ELP-SAN DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN ELP-SAT DEC 1.9>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
WN EWR-MSY DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN EWR-PHX DEC 2.0>1.0 JAN 2.0>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
WN EYW-MSY DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN FLL-JAX JAN 4>3
WN FLL-MDW DEC 5>4
WN FLL-MHT DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1
WN FLL-PHL FEB 4>3
WN FLL-SJU DEC 1.9>2
WN FNT-LAS DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN FNT-RSW DEC 0.6>0.3
WN GRR-RSW DEC 0.6>0.3
WN GRR-STL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN GRR-TPA JAN 0.4>0.1
WN GSP-MCO DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN HOU-JAN DEC 3>2 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.8
WN HOU-JAX FEB 1.4>1.0
WN HOU-LAS DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
WN HOU-LAX DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
WN HOU-LGA DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2
WN HOU-MEM DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN HOU-OKC DEC 3>4
WN HOU-PIT DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN HOU-PNS DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU DEC 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.5>1.0
WN HOU-SAT JAN 6>5
WN ICT-LAS DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN ICT-MDW DEC 0>2 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN JAX-LAS DEC 1.0>0
WN JAX-MDW DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN JAX-ORF FEB 1.5>0.9
WN LAS-MAF JAN 1.2>2
WN LAS-MSY JAN 1.2>1.9
WN LAS-OAK DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
WN LAS-ONT FEB 6>5
WN LAS-PHX DEC 12>11 JAN 13>11 FEB 12>11
WN LAS-SFO DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN LAS-SNA DEC 8>7
WN LAS-TUS DEC 5>4
WN LAX-SFO DEC 10>9 JAN 11>9 FEB 11>9
WN LAX-STL DEC 1.1>1.8 JAN 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.7
WN LAX-TUS JAN 4>3 FEB 5>4
WN LGA-MDW DEC 5>6
WN LGA-MKE DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN MCI-MSP DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>1.8 FEB 1.0>1.9
WN MCI-OKC DEC 2.0>0 JAN 1.8>0 FEB 1.7>0
WN MCI-STL JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN MCO-MBJ FEB 1.0>0.6
WN MCO-MEM DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN MCO-ORF DEC 2>1.3 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN MCO-PHL DEC 7>6 FEB 7>5
WN MCO-SAT DEC 1.1>1.8
WN MCO-SJU JAN 4>3
WN MDW-CUN JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.0
WN MDW-MBJ DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
WN MDW-MEM DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>1.9
WN MDW-MSY DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.3>3
WN MDW-OKC DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.7>1.2 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN MDW-PUJ DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
WN MDW-RNO DEC 0.9>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.1
WN MDW-ROC DEC 0>2 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
WN MDW-RSW DEC 5>3
WN MDW-SDF DEC 4>3
WN MDW-SNA DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN MDW-TUL DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN MEM-TPA DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
WN MKE-MSP DEC 5>3
WN MKE-MSY DEC 0>1.0
WN MKE-PHX JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2
WN MSY-STL DEC 1.0>1.7
WN OKC-STL DEC 1.8>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.7>1.0
WN ONT-SJC JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
WN ONT-SMF JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
WN ORF-TPA JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
WN PBI-PHL JAN 1.8>1.0
WN PBI-PVD FEB 0.5>0.1
WN PDX-RNO DEC 2>1.2 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0
WN PDX-SMF FEB 6>5
WN PHX-SFO FEB 5>4
WN PIT-TPA JAN 3>2 FEB 4>3
WN RDU-STL DEC 1.0>1.8
WN SAN-SFO FEB 9>8
WN SAN-SMF FEB 10>9
WN SDF-STL JAN 1.7>0.3 FEB 1.7>0
WN SEA-STL DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
WN SFO-SNA DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
WN SJC-SNA JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
WN TPA-SJU DEC 1.7>1.0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.
NK AZA-DEN DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-ORD NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DEN-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

Yet another sign that the big city alternate airport concept is basically dead in the USA. Yes, there are places like OAK that got to critical mass, but the small ones are dying.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Hmm, big increase
**AA JFK-CUN NOV 1.5>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-CUN NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-CUN NOV 0.8>1.1 DEC 1.1>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3 MAR 1.2>3

AA upping their CUN frequencies across the board. From what I've heard, CUN visitation is very strong right now.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.
NK AZA-DEN DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-ORD NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DEN-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

Yet another sign that the big city alternate airport concept is basically dead in the USA. Yes, there are places like OAK that got to critical mass, but the small ones are dying.

I wouldnt go as far as to say its dying. AZA still needs that expansion as Allegiant is going strong there and needs room to grow. Plus MDW, DAL, HOU etc are all thriving airports outside of their cities main hub airports.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
Yes, there are places like OAK that got to critical mass, but the small ones are dying.

AZA isn't dying... even after NK pulls out, it will still be G4's third-biggest city behind SFB (another big-city alternate) and LAS.

In fact, most of G4's focuses are alternates, amd many of them are small: SFB, AZA, PIE, PGD (which is poised for a major expansion tomorrow), OAK, FLL (which has grown into a very strong MIA alternative), and BLI. Their "normal airport" focuses are LAX and LAS. (MYR is served seasonally and to 4 cities only.)
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.

No, this is typical NK...throw a bunch of routes at a new airport...then scale them back until they're either next to nothing or non-existant. It's happened before at other airports like DTW and FLL...AZA is just NK's latest victim.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:25 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Looks like they are basically not flying any MEM for the Holiday period
DL MEM-AUS DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-BNA DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-BOS DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-CLT DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-CMH DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-DCA DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-DEN DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-DFW DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-IAH DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-IND DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-MCI DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-MKE DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-MSY DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-ORD DEC 3>1.9
DL MEM-PHL DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-PIT DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-RDU DEC 1.7>1.3
DL MEM-SAT DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-SDF DEC 0.9>0.6
DL MEM-TPA DEC 0.9>0.6

DL basically does not operate any of the non-hub/O&D focused RJ routes at CVG, MEM, or RDU on Saturdays and Sundays currently. They do the same during holiday periods like Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day.

The December numbers reflect the fact that these MEM, CVG, and RDU routes will only operate about 19 out of 31 days during the month of December.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ASE JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

DL is planning to operate into ASE this winter after a few year hiatus, as I mentioned in another thread.
Daily OO CR7 on ATL-ASE & Saturday / holiday period service on MSP-ASE.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-ROA MAR 4>5

ATL-ROA loses its daily mainline flight A319 for a CR9 in December, but it appears it comes back in mid-Feb.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 3):
AA upping their CUN frequencies across the board. From what I've heard, CUN visitation is very strong right now.

I'm glad for Mexico

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 4):
Plus MDW, DAL, HOU etc are all thriving airports outside of their cities main hub airports.
Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 4):
places like OAK that got to critical mass

I believe I'd put them in the critical mass column like OAK. I'm talking about places like GYY and SWF that don't seem to gather any traction.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 5):
AZA isn't dying... even after NK pulls out, it will still be G4's third-biggest city behind SFB (another big-city alternate) and LAS.

F9 also pulled out.

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 6):
No, this is typical NK...throw a bunch of routes at a new airport...then scale them back until they're either next to nothing or non-existant.

Actually I don't remember the last time they did an airport swap for economic reasons like this. They did sell their slots in DCA and move to BWI, but that probably wasn't because BWI was going to be more profitable, it's because they wanted the slot cash. This is very different.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
Yes, there are places like OAK that got to critical mass, but the small ones are dying.

OAK will always have a certain appeal to East Bay residents and commuters (try making it to SFO from points east of the Caldecott Tunnel for early flights). I'd have to look up the timings again since the BART extension opened, but the word used to be that it took less time to get to OAK from downtown San Francisco than it did to SFO.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-PDX DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4

Another nice service increase for PDX.   
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
Another nice service increase for PDX.

Typically operates at 4x per day during the summer - 763, 757, 2x 738.

Going from 3x 757 to 4x 738 in December.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:22 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 6):

No, this is typical NK...throw a bunch of routes at a new airport...then scale them back until they're either next to nothing or non-existant. It's happened before at other airports like DTW and FLL...AZA is just NK's latest victim.

I'll give you DTW though it is still up around 15 peak day departures.

But FLL is still their largest hub with 59 peak day departures to more than 35 destinations - I'd hardly call that next to nothing or non-existent
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Going from 3x 757 to 4x 738 in December.

Oh boooo then!   
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:48 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
OAK will always have a certain appeal to East Bay residents and commuters (try making it to SFO from points east of the Caldecott Tunnel for early flights). I'd have to look up the timings again since the BART extension opened, but the word used to be that it took less time to get to OAK from downtown San Francisco than it did to SFO.

That is true as it is closer to the Embarcadero (downtown San Fran) than is SFO and with hardly any delays we only go to SFO when we fly international
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-BOG NOV 1.8>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-CUN NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
AA MIA-FDF DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3 MAR 0.2>0.3
AA MIA-GGT NOV 0.8>1.2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-GND DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>0.8 MAR 0.5>0.7
AA MIA-GUA NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA MIA-LIR NOV 0.8>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2.0
AA MIA-MDE DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>2
AA MIA-REC DEC 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.7>0.9 MAR 0.7>0.8
AA MIA-RTB DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
AA MIA-SCL NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2.0
AA MIA-SKB NOV 1.0>1.2 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.6 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.6

Nice to see FDF and RTB increasing from Sat only service. With the normal winter additions and AA adding MIA-MXP and possibly MIA-POA, this could be AA's busiest winter yet at MIA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:53 pm

No more EWR-MYR?..that sucks, but CLE-MYR would be nice!
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-RAP OCT 7>6

Since DEN-ELP and DEN-RAP frequently line up next to each other at gates 55-57-59, I can't help notice how much more dignified the Ellsworth Afb folks are compared to the Fort Bliss folks.

I can totally understand why RAP gets more flights than ELP.  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 6):
No, this is typical NK...throw a bunch of routes at a new airport...then scale them back until they're either next to nothing or non-existant. It's happened before at other airports like DTW and FLL...AZA is just NK's latest victim.

I wouldn't call DTW a "new" airport for NK as that is where they started out. It seems they have expanded and contracted over the years at DTW, but it is certainly not a "nothing to non-existent" schedule. The operation was never as big as what they have in FLL.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 17):
I wouldn't call DTW a "new" airport for NK as that is where they started out. It seems they have expanded and contracted over the years at DTW, but it is certainly not a "nothing to non-existent" schedule. The operation was never as big as what they have in FLL.

Back before this big FLL build-up, NK had grand intentions of building-up DTW to 50-60 flights per day. During the design and initial construction phase of the North Terminal NK was interesting in using 8 gates.

Regional/National economy, and change in business model ultimately changed NK's DTW plans, but that was about 2006/2007 era.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Oh boooo then!

DL is planning to operate DTW-PDX year-round though which DL (or NW) had traditionally not done in many years. Last year DTW-PDX ended for the season in September, and was operated over the 2-week Christmas/New Years holiday. This year is is still on year-round with a 738.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:09 pm

Does the printed OAG list AZA separately from PHX or is it in one entry with a letter code? Flights to New York in the printed edition use E, J & L for the different airports. Chicago uses M & O. I even remember seeing Kansas City as C, J & K when ZV had flights out of JCI(IXD), MCI & MKC. Anything like this for Phoenix airports?
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-FWA MAR 4>5

First Eagle increases FWA-ORD for March, now DL is increasing FWA-DTW. Something must be going right here at FWA.

Your move, G4 and UA.
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 20):
First Eagle increases FWA-ORD for March, now DL is increasing FWA-DTW. Something must be going right here at FWA.

DTW-FWA operates most of the year as it is at 5x per day, except during Jan/Feb.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-BOS DEC 0.9>0.6

When does MEM become the largest market not served from BOS?
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 14):
and possibly MIA-POA,

AA begins MIA-CWB-POA-MIA on December 19th; daily 763.
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VW AUS-MEX OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

Interesting. It looks like the service will operate five times per week beginning October 21.

source

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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
J5 AGN-TKE AUG 1.1>3
J5 ELV-JNU AUG 0>3
J5 GST-JNU AUG 0>6 SEP 3>4
J5 HNH-JNU AUG 0.9>5 SEP 3>4
J5 HNS-JNU AUG 0>5 SEP 4>5
J5 HNS-SGY AUG 0>1.8
J5 JNU-PEC AUG 0>3
J5 JNU-SGY AUG 0>4 SEP 3>4

Its amusing to see all of these rural airport IATA codes; none of which populate with a hyperlink identifier; and know and where they are. ELV got the best of me and then I realized it had to be Elfen Cove which is a seaplane base.http://skyvector.com/airports/United%20States/Alaska
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 22):
When does MEM become the largest market not served from BOS?

The changes loaded this week for MEM are strictly Christmas/New Years holiday period changes. BOS-MEM continues to operate 6 days per week. The flight operates on 19 out of 31 days in December, hency why its only 0.6
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 25):
Its amusing to see all of these rural airport IATA codes; none of which populate with a hyperlink identifier

Just copy/paste them into the Great Circle Mapper. Easy peasy.
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 23):
Quoting miaami (Reply 14):and possibly MIA-POA,
AA begins MIA-CWB-POA-MIA on December 19th; daily 763.

Do you know when it will be available for sale? I don't think it is loaded at AA.com yet.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
I believe I'd put them in the critical mass column like OAK. I'm talking about places like GYY and SWF that don't seem to gather any traction.

true but I also dont think I'd put AZA in the GYY / SWF column either. Its sort of in a league of its own.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:47 pm

Part of the issue with NK at IWA is the flight times they operated, with all the PHX-ORD and PHX-DFW flights why would you want to take a 1:30AM flight even if it was cheap. If they had better times I bet they would have had better results.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:04 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 27):
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 25):
Its amusing to see all of these rural airport IATA codes; none of which populate with a hyperlink identifier

Just copy/paste them into the Great Circle Mapper. Easy peasy.

Or Airnav.com, which has a lot more information.
SA-227; B1900; Q200; Q400; CRJ-2,7,9; 717; 727-2; 737-3,4,5,7,8,9; 747-2; 757-2,3; 767-3,4; MD-90; A319, 320; DC-9; DC-1
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.
NK AZA-DEN DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-ORD NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DEN-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

Surprised its not showing on their website yet.... is there any way this could have been a mis-file using wrong airport code?
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:18 pm

I have a question about NW's service at MEM, did they have any international services to say Europe or Asia?
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:26 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 33):
I have a question about NW's service at MEM, did they have any international services to say Europe or Asia?

MEM-AMS. KL served MEM at one time too.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
DTW-FWA operates most of the year as it is at 5x per day, except during Jan/Feb.


In March through May of this year, it was 4x daily (and DL planned on keeping it that way) before going back up to 5x in June due to very strong performance by DL at FWA (80% avg LF, with MSP at 81%). That said, with MSP's strong performance, I could see it going year-round and DL upgrading MSP and ATL to CR9s shortly after 9E starts CR9 deliveries two months from now. After all, FWA-MSP is an RON flight for the 9E FWA MX base, much like the two latest-arriving/earliest-departing FWA-DTW flights and the evening arrival/morning departure 9E FWA-ATL flight.

As for DTW, I bet FWA-DTW will stay 5x except in the slow January/February timeframe where it will be 3x like normal, even if they throw a CR9 or two in on the route for 9E MX (I think we will still see CR2s on at least 2 of the 5 DTW flights, albeit operated by EV as 9E retires theirs). January and February are the slowest months of the year for everyone at FWA... DL cuts frequencies on everything but ATL, Eagle goes from 4x to 3x on ORD, and UA drops one out of the three weekend flights to ORD. In other words, everyone but Florida-focused G4 cuts frequencies from FWA then. Then in March, everything returns to normal (and then some as G4 boosts frequencies to SFB and PIE for spring break).
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:35 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 35):
In March through May of this year, it was 4x daily (and DL planned on keeping it that way) before going back up to 5x in June due to very strong performance by DL at FWA (80% avg LF, with MSP at 81%). That said, with MSP's strong performance, I could see it going year-round and DL upgrading MSP and ATL to CR9s shortly after 9E starts CR9 deliveries two months from now. After all, FWA-MSP is an RON flight for the 9E FWA MX base, much like the two latest-arriving/earliest-departing FWA-DTW flights and the evening arrival/morning departure 9E FWA-ATL flight.

MSP-FWA is currently scheduled to operates through early-January then resumes in March

I wouldn't look for CR9s in FWA anytime soon. They are likely going to get the 50 seaters off of the longer stuff first like DTW-DSM, OMA, MHT, PVD before the short hops. Most traffic inbound to DTW is already beginning their decent over FWA.....

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 35):
As for DTW, I bet FWA-DTW will stay 5x except in the slow January/February timeframe where it will be 3x like normal, even if they throw a CR9 or two in on the route for 9E MX (I think we will still see CR2s on at least 2 of the 5 DTW flights, albeit operated by EV as 9E retires theirs).

DTW-FWA is scheduled at 4x in Jan-Feb
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:37 pm

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Quoting brilondon (Reply 33):
I have a question about NW's service at MEM, did they have any international services to say Europe or Asia?

MEM-AMS. KL served MEM at one time too.

Both NW and DL considered serving MEM-CDG as well; NW after joining SkyTeam and DL when the DL/NW merger was first proposed. When the Great Recession hit the US and especially the MEM area hard, the idea went away as DL started cutting back at MEM to the point of this year's dehubbing.

IIRC, NW once put in a route proposal for MEM-NRT in 1997 when there were new US-Japan bilaterals that opened the market beyond UA, AA, DL, and NW's existing presences. And I think DL proposed CVG-NRT and TW proposed STL-NRT as well. In the end, AA got JFK/LAX/ORD-NRT and CO got EWR/IAH-NRT.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 36):
I wouldn't look for CR9s in FWA anytime soon. They are likely going to get the 50 seaters off of the longer stuff first like DTW-DSM, OMA, MHT, PVD before the short hops. Most traffic inbound to DTW is already beginning their decent over FWA.....

DL has said that they want to get 50-seaters off 450-750 mile routes first, and two of the many routes that fall under this are FWA-ATL and FWA-MSP. Having the 9E MX base at FWA plus an A&P school at SMD (Smith Field) with flowthru to 9E also helps with the prospect of CR9s.

FWA will get CR9s, and probably to ATL first as it needs the F seats more than DTW or MSP... it's not a matter of if, but when.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 36):
DTW-FWA is scheduled at 4x in Jan-Feb

Still a boost from the 3x that DL was running the route at for the past two years during that timeframe.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:40 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 6):
No, this is typical NK...throw a bunch of routes at a new airport...then scale them back until they're either next to nothing or non-existant. It's happened before at other airports like DTW and FLL...AZA is just NK's latest victim.

Perhaps our definitions of "nothing or non-existant" differ, because 40+ flights a day seems like a fairly healthy operation for NK at FLL.

I welcome the change to PHX as it's much more convenient for passengers.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-RTB DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5

Big increase.
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Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting cle757 (Reply 15):

I don't understand why UA is pulling EWR-MYR. I've flown it and it has always been well loaded and very expensive!
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:23 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 32):

PHX Sky Harbor is now showing as an option on the websites booking engine.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-GUA DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-LIR NOV 0.2>0.5 DEC 0.3>1.0 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0 MAR 0.3>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-BZE DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 1.0>1.1 FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-PTY DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-GUA NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
AA MIA-LIR NOV 0.8>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-RTB DEC 0.1>0.4 JAN 0.1>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.4 MAR 0.2>0.5

Seasonal upgrades yes, but clear to me that AA is going to fight not to give an inch of turf up to UA or DL in the region. PTY is very interesting as they have always struggled on DFW PTY
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 19):
Does the printed OAG list AZA separately from PHX or is it in one entry with a letter code?

Is there still a printed OAG? 

Back in the day the "newer" alternates did not show that way. It was just the old ones like OAK and FLL.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 29):
true but I also dont think I'd put AZA in the GYY / SWF column either. Its sort of in a league of its own.

Agree to disagree

Quoting nkops (Reply 32):
Surprised its not showing on their website yet.... is there any way this could have been a mis-file using wrong airport code?
(not sure how it quite works)
Quoting beechtobus (Reply 42):
PHX Sky Harbor is now showing as an option on the websites booking engine.

Guess I don't need to answer...
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:07 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Actually I don't remember the last time they did an airport swap for economic reasons like this. They did sell their slots in DCA and move to BWI, but that probably wasn't because BWI was going to be more profitable, it's because they wanted the slot cash. This is very different.

Maybe NK sees some writing on the AA walls at PHX and is moving to set up a shop there.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:11 am

A very healthy boost of international flying for AA at MIA. Some are returning frequencies, but some are new, like the 4th daily to GUA.

Looking forward to see what AA adds domestic from MIA this winter. Will probably be known within 2-3 weeks. I'd expect a new destination or three.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 45):
Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Actually I don't remember the last time they did an airport swap for economic reasons like this. They did sell their slots in DCA and move to BWI, but that probably wasn't because BWI was going to be more profitable, it's because they wanted the slot cash. This is very different.

Maybe NK sees some writing on the AA walls at PHX and is moving to set up a shop there.

I actually think this is different. What I think is going on here is that NK tends to fly to big airports from a lot of places (ORD, DFW, LAS, BOS, etc). While they want the leisure travellers to AZ, when you are flying from the big airports to a relatively unknown airport, and your competitors are all flying into the bigger airports, it becomes tough to generate demand for such a route even if you are a lot cheaper. I am not sure if NK allows travel to be booked on sites such as expedia or travelocity, but if people are looking to fly to PHX from some of those bigger cities, they may not even realize that Phoenix is an option at AZA, and thus the business goes to a competitor. So what I think is going on here is that NK realizes that they cannot serve Phoenix via AZA and generate enough traffic to make it worthwhile, so I think PHX is an attempt to correct this problem. G4 doesn't have this problem since most of their AZA traffic is from smaller airports where there is no nonstop service to PHX on any airline, and people are much more likely to book on them because of very few options from smaller communities.

I don't think AA really has anything to do with this, since WN is also firmly entrenched at PHX. This is simply the fact that from most of the big cities, the people going to Phoenix are looking at PHX and not AZA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BHM DEC 10>8 FEB 10>8

Have the number of seats available declined, or has DL simply dropped three 50-seat CRJ flights in favor of one additional MD-80 flight on this route?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-BHM NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.8>0.8

I'm curious as to what the loads were like on this route.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/2/2013: NK Drops AZA/AA/DL/WN

Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 48):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL ATL-BHM DEC 10>8 FEB 10>8
Have the number of seats available declined, or has DL simply dropped three 50-seat CRJ flights in favor of one additional MD-80 flight on this route?

ATL-BHM has been all mainline for awhile now, there have not been 50 seaters on the route since DL brought the DC9s down to ATL.

DL is very aggresive at adding/subtracting day-of-the-week frequencies based on projected demand. This includes trimming weekend and holiday period flights.

Don't read too much into the December schedule. This report summarizes data by taking the total number of flights for the month and dividing it by days to give an average number of flights per day.

Hence DL is aggresively trimming back flights on weekends and on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, and NNew Years Day. So December gives some "irregular" numbers.

For example on ATL-BMH:

Weekdays (non-holiday period)- 9x per day
Saturdays & Sundays - 8x per day
Christmas-New Years Holiday Weeks - 8x per day
Christmas Eve & New Years Eve - 5x per day
Christmas Day & New Years Day - 4x per day

Quoting TSS (Reply 48):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL LGA-BHM NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.8>0.8
I'm curious as to what the loads were like on this route.

Same thing as above at lot of off-peak day of the week reductions during December.

Right now its 1x LGA-BHM, so its just staying at 1x per day

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