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LANs Future On Its SCL-MAD-FRA Route

Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:10 am

Hello all

Recently looking into the LA flight from MAD to FRA and noticed it has been zeroed out untill the beginning of next year.
I was aware that LA wasn't operating the FRA-tag until end september, but does this mean by any kind that LAN is planning on axing the route completly (meaning the MAD-FRA tag).

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:08 pm

LA is in FRA daily (flying a 767) and is actually planning to switch to a daily Dreamliner (I think starting in October). Are you sure your sources are right?
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:33 pm

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Hello all

Recently looking into the LA flight from MAD to FRA and noticed it has been zeroed out untill the beginning of next year.
I was aware that LA wasn't operating the FRA-tag until end september, but does this mean by any kind that LAN is planning on axing the route completly (meaning the MAD-FRA tag).

The MAD-FRA leg will be axed in the time being until the adequate 787 replacement arrives.

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting MSS658 (Thread starter):
Recently looking into the LA flight from MAD to FRA and noticed it has been zeroed out untill the beginning of next year.

LAN recently resumed daily service to FRA with the B-767-316ERs and plans to deploy the 787-8 on the route in the coming months.

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LANs Future On Its SCL-MAD-FRA Route

Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:53 pm

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 1):
LA is in FRA daily (flying a 767) and is actually planning to switch to a daily Dreamliner (I think starting in October). Are you sure your sources are right?

Acoording to LANs website, Kayak, Skyscanner;.. It's impossible to book the MAD-FRA-MAD segments for at least the complete W13-14.  
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
The MAD-FRA leg will be axed in the time being until the adequate 787 replacement arrives.

Any Idea when the 788's will arrive?

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Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 4):
Any Idea when the 788's will arrive?

They already have 788s so a more accurate question might be when will the get put on the the FRA route.
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Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:11 pm

I'm surprised LAN continue with this now they own TAM. It would appear to make more sense to send PAX to GRU then put them on TAM direct to FRA?
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:36 am

As of August 06th, LA has closed reservations for service to Frankfurt after October 01st.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:08 pm

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 4):
Any Idea when the 788's will arrive?

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Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:12 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):

As of August 06th, LA has closed reservations for service to Frankfurt after October 01st.


I've never understood why they'd operate this once they had the IB codeshare, and later JJ metal in FRA.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):

As of August 06th, LA has closed reservations for service to Frankfurt after October 01st.



I've never understood why they'd operate this once they had the IB codeshare, and later JJ metal in FRA.

There was a HBS case study on LAN from a few years ago and it specifically highlighted the reason for the MAD-FRA tag being cargo. LAN planned (or still plans) its network based on RTKs, including both PAX and cargo revenue. The added cargo benefit and few additional passengers supposedly justified the tag as a result. I could see this as being the case pre-2008, but with the continued erosion in air cargo demand and percipitously high oil prices, it became clear that the route would never recover.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:21 pm

And the fact that going on forward, LAN intends to fly to Europe using GRU as the hub. Why make the MAD-FRA tag when LAN Brasil, Oops did I just say that?, I meant TAM is flying GRU-FRA non stop with the 77W.

So no more CC- Lan mental in Europe other than in Madrid as of Oct.1.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:36 pm

They will be back on MAD-FRA sooner than later.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting Tdan (Reply 10):
There was a HBS case study on LAN from a few years ago and it specifically highlighted the reason for the MAD-FRA tag being cargo

I just don't see how the marginal cargo/pax revenue covers the cost of the flight when they have dedicated cargo service and now nonstop JJ service. It makes no sense.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I just don't see how the marginal cargo/pax revenue covers the cost of the flight when they have dedicated cargo service and now nonstop JJ service. It makes no sense.

Repeating myself: LAN has an SCL centric view of its network. LAN Chile comes first. SCL comes first. TAM is a second rate subsidiary.  Silly

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Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 14):

Repeating myself: LAN has an SCL centric view of its network. LAN Chile comes first. SCL comes first. TAM is a second rate subsidiary.

Actually, lately it's all about LIM...
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting arcano (Reply 15):

Actually, lately it's all about LIM...

Seems more it is all about GRU. Customers with FRA flights probably will have two choices: IB thru MAD, JJ thru GRU.

And i doubt MAD-FRA will return.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:58 pm

A shame... it was a great way to travel between FRA and MAD for "insiders" who knew about it. Significantly cheaper than competing IB / LH flights, with widebody comfort. The only small drawback was arriving at the satellite terminal in MAD. But admittedly, the flight had poor loads, and I guess cargo isn't everything...
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 11):
I meant TAM is flying GRU-FRA non stop with the 77W.

How long will that last after TAM leaves Star ?
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
I just don't see how the marginal cargo/pax revenue covers the cost of the flight when they have dedicated cargo service and now nonstop JJ service. It makes no sense.

I suspect the type of cargo such as fruit, vegetables and seafood is time and weather sensititve so keeping it in one plane straight thru may be more beneficial than having to move containers around from one plane to another. Just my guess tho, but the EU is Chile's 3rd largest export market after the U.S. and China.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 4):
Acoording to LANs website, Kayak, Skyscanner;.. It's impossible to book the MAD-FRA-MAD segments for at least the complete W13-14.

Check again. LAN will continue to operate daily service between SCL and FRA via MAD. The 787s will be deployed on the SCL-MAD-FRA route during October.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:37 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):

Yes, but fares are €800+... Whats up with that????
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 18):
How long will that last after TAM leaves Star ?

Instead of sending pax through to SCL-GRU-FRA, maybe LANTAM's long term plan is to send SCL/GRU/LIM all over to MAD, then use it as a scissor hub to FRA ?

if that's the case, GRU-FRA would be a prime candidate to down gauge.

Biggest issue now is that instead of GRU airline with a SCL subsidiary, they're running it as a SCL airline with a GRU subsidiary.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 22):
Biggest issue now is that instead of GRU airline with a SCL subsidiary, they're running it as a SCL airline with a GRU subsidiary.

I have been saying this all along. In a merged LANTAM covering most of Latin America, SCL should not be more relevant than BSB when it comes to long-haul.
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RE: LANs Future On Its SCL-MAD-FRA Route

Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:33 pm

I looked in SABRE for Nov/Dec and all zeros. Even when I try direct connect in SABRE, all zeros.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:28 pm

According to my insides at LAN, booking for the MAD-FRA-MAD sector will be updated within the next days and should appear in Sabre / Amadeus
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:15 pm

As I said two weeks ago, LAN will be back sooner than later - 787 flights are bookable for January (have not checked other dates).
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:02 am

Quoting lh526 (Reply 25):
According to my insides at LAN, booking for the MAD-FRA-MAD sector will be updated within the next days and should appear in Sabre / Amadeus

I´ll keep an eye open for that 

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Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting lh526 (Reply 25):
According to my insides at LAN, booking for the MAD-FRA-MAD sector will be updated within the next days and should appear in Sabre / Amadeus

It's been updated in the GDS and the 787 will be deployed on the MAD-FRA-MAD sectors starting on 09OCT:
LA704 MAD 15:15 FRA 18:00 787 D
LA705 FRA 19:50 MAD 22:20 787 D
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:57 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 28):
It's been updated in the GDS and the 787 will be deployed on the MAD-FRA-MAD sectors starting on 09OCT:

Correction. LAN will deploy the 787 on the MAD-FRA-MAD sectors starting on 02OCT.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:56 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 28):
It's been updated in the GDS and the 787 will be deployed on the MAD-FRA-MAD sectors starting on 09OCT:
LA704 MAD 15:15 FRA 18:00 787 D
LA705 FRA 19:50 MAD 22:20 787 D

Just checked now and indeed it is showing up and with more affordable fares, I can do MAD-FRA one way for 124€ on Oct26.

I will book as soon as possible  

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Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:31 am

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 30):
Just checked now and indeed it is showing up and with more affordable fares, I can do MAD-FRA one way for 124€ on Oct26.

That's great. I'm flying on this route next month, (originating at SCL). Looking forward to crossing the Atlantic on the 787.  
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:28 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 31):

Oh have a great flight.

This will be my second Dreamliner flight, only short ones thus far (DY and LA)

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