What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 1:38 pm

The Oneworld alliance seems to be on the brink of breakup. Almost everyday, I'm reading some story about how its members are looking for a way out.
As far as I know it, British Airways seems to be trying extremely hard to get out of this alliance. First they were talking about linking up with Northwest when the whole KLM thing was going on, and now they're talking with Delta, Air France, and the whole SkyTeam Alliance.
At the same time, there seems to be all these rumour's going around that American Airlines wants to be part of Swissair's Qualiflyer Group. What's happening here?
AA and BA are in the Top 5 biggest airlines in the world! Delta may also be in that group, but they are not higher that American. So, why is BA trading the number two world airline with the number three? I don't get it.
Also, I don't think American and Swissair would even come close to the size of the AA/BA alliance. Swissair is around one third of the size of BA and is not even in the top 20 biggest airlines. Plus, the Qualiflyer group, as of now, contains only Europeean airlines. Although, I did hear today that Malaysia and Swissair are in some sort of talks.
What's going to happen to the other airlines currently in Oneworld? Qantas and Cathay Pacific are going to have to quickly find someone new. This whole debacle makes me so mad.
Personally, I very much dislike the Star Alliance and have always rooted for Oneworld to catch up. Now, it seems as though no alliance ever has a chance to compete with Star. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! I hate the Star Alliance!! Why can't all the airlines of Oneworld just live together in happiness?

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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:02 pm


YAY!!! You sound just like me!!! I personally despise Star...

The entire oneworld thing seems to be in flux, but only BA and AA are the ones in flux, the other airlines are stable and committed. A lot of this is horse puckey anyways.

I do wish it could stay together, but the US has politicised this issue by forcing the UK to commit to an open skies agreement on a rather hasty timetable (by 2002). The UK says 2004 is a more realistic timetable.

Words cannot express the enmity I currently have for the Department of Transportation   they need to not politicize something that involves two private companies. I do agree that BA and AA should give up a few slots at Heathrow, however.

Hopefully this is just a bump in the road and things will smooth out.

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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 11:45 pm

Keep in mind that Delta is the largest airline in number of passengers carried. Infact, last year Delta carried more than 23 million more passengers than AA did. That's alot of people. But the reason that BA or AA may be leaving is that they are not allowed to work very closely.
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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 3:24 am

Why exactly do you hate the Star Alliance?? It seems to be working a heck of a lot better than oneworld... Star has organized a corporate brand image for it, has it's own staff, website, advertising, etc and it seems that airlines are begging to join (our beloved BWIA is next from what I hear)...

The thing that Star has above everyone else: Anti trust agreements along all of it's major partners. United and Lufthansa, United and Air Canada and on the European front, I am not too clear due to the fact I don't get European Business dailys   But the fact that all of the partners of the Star Alliance work together to coordinate flight times etc is a great strength as you don't have two planes leaving for the same destination within a short time of eachother...

Credit needs to be given where it is deserved.. and the Star Alliance just happened to be grouped w/ a bunch of VERY strong airlines in each prospective's region.

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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 3:25 am

I despise of star probably more than anyone else on this forum, Oneworld is my favorite alliance. I have changed my mind on AA joining qualiflyer since i was convinced on how bad financially Qualiflyer was(please see my post: American Airlines-Oneworld or Qualflyer,make your pick (or something like that) At first i thought AA would leave due to all the speculation and close alliances with several Qualiflyer members, but now I am convinced that SR/SN/TAP/LOT and the rest of AA's qualiflyer partners will join Oneworld where Oneworld offers a global package unlike if AA were to join Qualiflyer, there would be just USA and Europe, if Qualiflyer joins Oneworld, you have a global package. I think BA will leave and QF will stay to see if than BA can come up with AA since I think AA and BA really want to work this out.
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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 5:05 am

BA and QF are a package deal. BA owns 25% of QF and it would be VERY unlikely that they would be in competing alliances.
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RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 6:58 am

Hey, sure would be nice to see BA and QF join SkyTeam. Then SkyTeam will be the number 1 alliance.


RE: What's Going On At Oneworld?

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:12 am

BA alliance with AA was not working good at all, so they looked first forn a big merger with KLM, this did also not work, so now they need air france, not for the first time. hope that the new alliancewill work good ! maybe BA could help AF in inflight service...

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