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PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:42 pm

The previous thread is well over 200 replies
PIT Update Thread 26 (by PITrules Apr 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

To start #27, here is the 1985 annual report from the old Allegheny County Dept of Aviation. It was quite a year for PIT, as they gained 4 new airlines, two of which were foreign. These days we are lucky to get one new airline every four years!

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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:46 pm

"Republic Airways expands Pittsburgh base"

"The crew base and maintenance facility has nearly doubled in the last year as Republic has taken on United Airlines (NYSE: UAL) Bombardier Q400 operations, going from about 250 to its present 500

"We think, at Pittsburgh, our maintenance presence will grow by another 50 percent,"

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ands-pittsburgh-base.html?page=all



This is a good read for those that are following the mineral contracts at PIT:
http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/vo...dfq-provides-lessons-on-shale.html
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:15 am

 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:12 am

I wonder if they'll consider other markets besides ORD. I wonder if MIA is on YX's radar. I'd like to see something other than 50-seaters on PIT-MIA
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:33 am

I hope the extra capacity on PIT-ORD will make AA more competitive to the West (SEA, in particular). UA had the best fares for the past 3 trips I've bought and I already have another UA trip booked later this year. Notably, UA is usually running larger planes (A319/320, 738, or E170) on PIT-ORD/DEN, although I have the misfortune of being on an E145 to DEN on my next trip.

When AA has been competitive, it is usually only inefficient DFW connections to SEA. WN and DL are barely trying to compete.

At least for one potential trip in October, AA is matching UA and even DL at just under $400, so maybe the new E75s are helping.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:47 am

The latest OAG thread has AA reducing PIT-DFW to 3 daily. Curious given their recent increase from 4 to 5 daily. Makes one wonder if this will correspond with a mainline flight somewhere else, perhaps MIA. I believe the AA Eagle contract (and thus restrictions on mainline flying) is still in place until the merger officially closes.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
I have the misfortune of being on an E145 to DEN on my next trip.

That is just awful.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:53 am

Quoting N670UW (Reply 6):
The latest OAG thread has AA reducing PIT-DFW to 3 daily. Curious given their recent increase from 4 to 5 daily. Makes one wonder if this will correspond with a mainline flight somewhere else, perhaps MIA. I believe the AA Eagle contract (and thus restrictions on mainline flying) is still in place until the merger officially closes.

PITLAX covers the loss of the DFW frequency. Dropping from four to three is a seasonal adjustment. I see no changes for MIA for awhile from here. AA has much bigger issues to fix here than equipment size to MIA.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:55 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
Dropping from four to three is a seasonal adjustment.

Dropping capacity by 40% from summer to winter is a seasonal adjustment? OK. AA ran four daily MD-80's last winter. With the general traffic growth and in particulary energy industry traffic I don't demand and yield issues being the reason here. But I don't work in the AA route planning department.

It will be interesting once these AA Eagle mainline cap issues are resolved post-merger.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 am

Apologies for the missing pics at the beginning of the thread. Looks like photobucket clamped down on their free bandwidth. Good news is allowable bandwidth is reset every month, so those pics and previous ones should be back online around the 15th.

Quoting N670UW (Reply 6):
The latest OAG thread has AA reducing PIT-DFW to 3 daily.
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):

PITLAX covers the loss of the DFW frequency.
Quoting N670UW (Reply 8):
Dropping capacity by 40% from summer to winter is a seasonal adjustment? OK. AA ran four daily MD-80's last winter. With the general traffic growth and in particulary energy industry traffic I don't demand and yield issues being the reason here.

I enjoy Enilria's OAG threads as much as anyone, but I've learned to take much of it with a grain of salt, one reason being "filing errors".

AA's website still shows 4x daily into next year. I guess it's possible they may indeed reduce by another flight, but I'll believe it when it's reflected by www.aa.com
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:17 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 4):
I wonder if they'll consider other markets besides ORD. I wonder if MIA is on YX's radar. I'd like to see something other than 50-seaters on PIT-MIA

I would too. There are probably a lot of people who currently fly on US to MIA via CLT. Most of the loyal US customers here will probably switch to the NEW American post merger.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:10 pm

anyone know anything about the republic crew base here? how big is it and why did it stay post hub?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:22 pm

So DL is downgrading LGA flights. After Labor Day holiday it is going to be only 5x CR7 and 1xCR9's. Last departure out of LGA is 6:20P instead of 7:58P. No more MD88 or E175s. I guess I'll switch back to US or try out United and Q400's out of EWR. The 6:20P is the killer for me
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting kubus (Reply 12):
So DL is downgrading LGA flights. After Labor Day holiday it is going to be only 5x CR7 and 1xCR9's. Last departure out of LGA is 6:20P instead of 7:58P.

I believe that JFK is still 4 daily correct?

Anyone know when PIT-CDG ends. That will also end the 757 on PIT-JFK.


I took American Eagle into JFK yesterday. The flight crew was MIA based and there were 5 or 6 through customers on board that came from MIA. Is this flight bookable as a through flight?
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting kubus (Reply 12):
So DL is downgrading LGA flights. After Labor Day holiday it is going to be only 5x CR7 and 1xCR9's. Last departure out of LGA is 6:20P instead of 7:58P. No more MD88 or E175s. I guess I'll switch back to US or try out United and Q400's out of EWR. The 6:20P is the killer for me
Way to mess up a good thing DL!

I'm still seeing 7x daily, with some E175s mixed in. You're right however about the loss of mainline and the early last LGA departure, although the last flight from JFK leaves 45 min later. Looks like the fares came down about $100 or so, but still a market that could use some low fare competition.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:16 pm

hey guys a couple PIT spotters and I have got together and created a Pittsburgh Facebook page.
The link is
https://www.facebook.com/steelcityspotters
and if you could check it out and like it that would be great! The more support the better as we feel that a page for photos of PIT would be good!
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:13 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):

I enjoy Enilria's OAG threads as much as anyone, but I've learned to take much of it with a grain of salt, one reason being "filing errors"

And that is exactly what happened:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-PIT SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4

So PIT-DFW remains unchanged at 4x daily MD80s for the Fall.

[Edited 2013-08-12 13:19:06]
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:20 pm

"Blocked US Airways-American merger could benefit Pittsburgh"

"There's concern that, in a combined US Airways-American Airlines, the work done at the US Airways maintenance facility at Pittsburgh International might move out of state. Of even more concern is the 200 or so jobs at the US Airways operations center, which opened to big fanfare five years ago in Moon Township."
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ways-american-merger.html?page=all

Although I don't see this DoJ lawsuit being successful.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:15 am

Neither do I...

How could a stalling of this merger benefit Pittsburgh? So they keep a measly 600 jobs at an OCC that, IMO, really had no point of being in PIT to begin with.

In terms of airline service, US isn't adding squat anytime soon. DL added weekly/seasonal (??) MCO and a few Caribbean destinations recently along with the potential of PIT-CUN pending FAA approval. AA added LAX, and UA is resuming daily PIT-LAX service to remain competitive from what I understand. Within the last year or so, WN added DEN, BNA, and HOU. Do they think that these airlines will go into retreat mode if this merger goes through? I don't see it happening. With the PIT market in general growing and poised for more growth, a merged US/AA could be in a good position regarding their PIT ops.

Frankly, I don't understand why PA would be against this. Both PHL and PIT can definitely gain far more out of this than they'd lose. The PHL hub isn't going anywhere; shifting all the connecting traffic through JFK would be suicide. They'd be directly up against DL and B6! Plus, there is some high-yielding non-leisure O&D traffic at PHL and a lot of it. PHL would handle whatever connecting traffic goes through JFK, while JFK would be a large domestic/int'l O&D market for AA.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:34 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 18):
How could a stalling of this merger benefit Pittsburgh? So they keep a measly 600 jobs at an OCC that, IMO, really had no point of being in PIT to begin with.

600 good jobs is hardly something to sneeze at, plus remember there are another 1000 or so at the maintenance base. And why can't an OCC be in PIT? Just because a city is not a hub does not mean it can't be the location of an OCC. That can even be said of a corporate headquarters.

Anyway, air service not being an issue so PIT very much comes out a loser (job losses) if this merger goes through.
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...ld-cost-jobs-in-pittsburgh-699196/
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 19):
600 good jobs is hardly something to sneeze at, plus remember there are another 1000 or so at the maintenance base. And why can't an OCC be in PIT? Just because a city is not a hub does not mean it can't be the location of an OCC. That can even be said of a corporate headquarters.

I think I'd be more concerned if the maintenance base were to close, but it is a good point that 600 jobs lost is 600 jobs lost. Speaking of HQs and hub/non-hub, that was the case with USAir in the 1980s-1990s. DCA was always a focus city, weren't they? Yet, the main hubs were PIT, PHL, CLT.

FL also comes to mind. ATL and BWI were their main hubs, while HQ MCO was a focus city...

So I guess that is a good point.

I still doubt that AA would move their DFW facility to PIT (it would be cool if they did, but I think it's unlikely). A drop of 600 jobs would suck, don't get me wrong. I still see the new AA maintaining (if not adding to) their 60-some daily flights they'd have post-merger.

Hopefully they'll come to some agreement. If this merger goes through, and if PIT does lose out considerably both in terms of jobs and flights lost, then I'll gladly partake in some A330-sized crow...
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:29 pm

"Palmer airport's status soars"
http://triblive.com/news/westmorelan...passengers-authority#axzz2cEGAvc3n

219th busiest in the nation, on par with ERI. Not too shabby for what was primarily a GA airport.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:41 am

I noticed in the annual report posted in the first post Republic Airlines flew here (news to me) and Northwest is gone. When did they leave?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:58 pm

Late 1983 or 1984.


Looks like WN's seasonal PIT-PBI is getting the axe next year.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:51 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 23):
Looks like WN's seasonal PIT-PBI is getting the axe next year.

Do you (or does anyone) forsee DL possibly increasing frequencies to MCO to maybe 2x or 3x weekly at least? I do wish there were other options to Florida besides WN, especially with them cutting back after acquiring FL.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:41 am

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 22):
I noticed in the annual report posted in the first post Republic Airlines flew here (news to me) and Northwest is gone. When did they leave?

April 30, 1984. I have a copy of the last NWO timetable with PIT service in it. Republic started service in late 1985.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 24):
Do you (or does anyone) forsee DL possibly increasing frequencies to MCO to maybe 2x or 3x weekly at least? I do wish there were other options to Florida besides WN, especially with them cutting back after acquiring FL.

I think they could do year round 1x daily with an E175. That does not mean I think they will offer that; they have to weigh the costs/yields/demands of all the other possible markets that aircraft could be allocated to.

PIT-MCO has traditionally had two carriers more often than not going back several decades. I guess we do at present time as well considering Spirit's daily LBE-MCO.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:42 am

These Florida cut backs are screaming for an airline, JetBlue!
Come on PIT, through together a quick incentives package for B6 to help them out with the first few years of service and get B6 started to bring costs down that, in a market with NO competition SWA will sky rocket their prices.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:08 pm

Rare bird heads up:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WAL776
Operating ACY-PIT-LBE.

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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:40 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 28):

Nice! Does anyone know if 28L is still closed? If so, where should I go to spot, as I'm used to Coventry Health Care.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 29):
Nice! Does anyone know if 28L is still closed? If so, where should I go to spot, as I'm used to Coventry Health Care.

I agree, that is a very nice looking MD-83 although the airline's name seems a bit ambitious for a small MD-80 operator.

As far as spotting locations, check out replies 128-142 in the 25th edition of the PIT threads:
PIT Update Thread Part 25 (by iowaman Feb 27 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:14 am

I've never heard of that airline. How long have they been around? Not to mention, interesting routing all around. ACY-PIT-LBE?

Gorgeous bird, though. I love that paint scheme on the MD83.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
I've never heard of that airline. How long have they been around?

They do a lot of charter flight, mainly to Cuba.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
interesting routing all around. ACY-PIT-LBE?

ACY charters have been going on for decades to PIT/LBE/JST/YNG, or any combination thereof.



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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:29 pm

Word on the street is that the end of the A Concourse has been reopened?? Can anybody confirm!?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:52 am

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 29):
Does anyone know if 28L is still closed?

Yes 10R/28L is still closed.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:46 am

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 34):
Word on the street is that the end of the A Concourse has been reopened?? Can anybody confirm!?

While I can't confirm or deny, I can't for the life of me figure out why they would reopen this considering most of C is vacant and needs to remain open due to Int'l gates at the end; not to mention last I saw half the gates at the end of A were missing jetways.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 36):
While I can't confirm or deny, I can't for the life of me figure out why they would reopen this considering most of C is vacant and needs to remain open due to Int'l gates at the end; not to mention last I saw half the gates at the end of A were missing jetways.

That's the last I heard as well. Is UA still on C or have they since moved on over to A? I'm thinking they're out of A now, which would leave AC (YYZ), B6 (BOS), and DL international flying out of C. I highly doubt UA is big or even busy enough to have any desire to use the entire A concourse, and same with WN and their 20 or 30-some flights a day (including FL ops).
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 37):
That's the last I heard as well. Is UA still on C or have they since moved on over to A? I'm thinking they're out of A now, which would leave AC (YYZ), B6 (BOS), and DL international flying out of C. I highly doubt UA is big or even busy enough to have any desire to use the entire A concourse, and same with WN and their 20 or 30-some flights a day (including FL ops).

No, UA mainline is still in C, and will be until September. BTW, AC is handled by UA, so all their flights will be where UA is located. B6 would be the only mainline carrier in C regularly once UA moves to A.
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:09 am

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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 23):

Looks like WN's seasonal PIT-PBI is getting the axe next year.

Correction on this, now looks like it will be Saturday only starting Mar 8.

"Consol unveils airport drilling plan"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...irport-drilling-plan.html?page=all

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...t-pittsburgh-international-700938/

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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:13 pm

The 1X daily LAX AA flight starts today.
I check the loads and they weren't pretty at all.
I believe only around 45 seats were taken.
Hopefully this is just the fact of new service and the future is much better than the first day.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 41):
The 1X daily LAX AA flight starts today.
I check the loads and they weren't pretty at all.
I believe only around 45 seats were taken.
Hopefully this is just the fact of new service and the future is much better than the first day.

Don't forget AA loaded the LAX flights with full expectation that the merger would be smooth sailing. Bookings should improve once US gets to codeshare and sell tickets on it. AA has a large premium base in LAX, so that will help long-term also.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 41):
The 1X daily LAX AA flight starts today.
I check the loads and they weren't pretty at all.
I believe only around 45 seats were taken.
Hopefully this is just the fact of new service and the future is much better than the first day.

Next week's loads look much better; in addition fares in PIT seem to be between $50-$300 more than in IND/CMH/RDU (other new AA LAX markets), depending on the market and day.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:43 am

So it just happen that out of 16 regular super commuters, 11 took the 6:30A flight on Monday to LGA. We had a little chat and it looks like DL is going to loose our weekly business because of the change in last departure from LGA. As mentioned it is changing from 8P to 6:20P and in October it is going to 6P. To put it in perspective, that's just shy of $250K a year in revenue.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:26 pm

Quoting kubus (Reply 44):
So it just happen that out of 16 regular super commuters, 11 took the 6:30A flight on Monday to LGA. We had a little chat and it looks like DL is going to loose our weekly business because of the change in last departure from LGA. As mentioned it is changing from 8P to 6:20P and in October it is going to 6P. To put it in perspective, that's just shy of $250K a year in revenue.
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Looks like US Airways will be offering LGA-PIT for only $112 ow during the Fall. That's the fare level when JetBlue was in the market. Last flight leaves LGA at approx 8pm. I imagine those fares won't last long.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:46 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 45):

When JetBlue was in the market fares were 60 bucks OW.
Its ashame B6 didnt really market the low fares to the biggest US city or else people like yourself who is an avgeek and all tourists/business would have known what the incredibly low prices were!
JetBlue E190 seats, 5D and 16A= no better place in the world
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:01 pm

Am I the only one who's more than a little envious that AUS (a metro area with 600,000-900,000 fewer people) will now have a daily BA nonstop on a 787 while we're left with a summer seasonal 757 to CDG. I think in general it's an indictment when our air service levels aren't even as good as significantly smaller cities like Austin and Raleigh/Durham (both of which will have year round LHR as well as domestic service equal to or exceeding what we've got).

On a personal level, I'm being recruited by several companies outside the Pittsburgh region, and while there are many things I'm going to miss, having to change planes constantly to get to most of my travel destinations (GSP, SEA, MKE, ILM/OAJ, LHR) isn't one of them. The only places I go with any regularity that we do have nonstops to are BOS and WAS. It's one of the things that makes it exceedingly frustrating to live here.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 47):
AUS (a metro area with 600,000-900,000 fewer people)

Actually, the metro area of Austin is more near 2M, and is growing rapidly, much quicker than Pittsburgh, Cleveland, St. Louis, and a lot of these other mid-west cities.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 47):
having to change planes constantly to get to most of my travel destinations

I can understand your frustration about changing planes....... but I would say that PIT, CLE, STL, and a lot of such cities/airports are probably getting the level of service that give carriers there $$$$$. If there is $$$$$ with a nonstop missing in any route somewhere, some carrier would quickly fill it.

As for AUS getting new 787 LHR service, well........ I think that BA does its homework well, and probably after looking at all of the data/numbers, they have decided that AUS makes the most in terms of $$$$$.

 
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 27

Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 46):
When JetBlue was in the market fares were 60 bucks OW.
Its ashame B6 didnt really market the low fares to the biggest US city or else people like yourself who is an avgeek and all tourists/business would have known what the incredibly low prices were!

IIRC $60 one way was fare specials, off peak days, etc. Fares were often regularly above that. The real shame is B6 didn't increase r/t fares to about $250-$300 before giving up on the market; the other airlines would have followed after due time. From what I've seen and heard, their JFK flights were full, but obviously not making money. But that's been discussed to death in these threads.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 47):
Am I the only one who's more than a little envious that AUS (a metro area with 600,000-900,000 fewer people) will now have a daily BA nonstop on a 787 while we're left with a summer seasonal 757 to CDG. I think in general it's an indictment when our air service levels aren't even as good as significantly smaller cities like Austin and Raleigh/Durham (both of which will have year round LHR as well as domestic service equal to or exceeding what we've got).

You're not at all the only one who's envious. AUS is be a smaller metro area by a good margin, but on a per-capita basis, that area is an economic powerhouse. I was a bit surprised to see AUS be BA's next city, but I shouldn't be. As for Pittsburgh, the city is leaps and bounds above where it was only 5-6 years ago economically, and the rust has been shaken off with the exception of a few outlying areas. The region's economic momentum seems to be continuing forward with the help of Eds & Meds and energy industry, but not on the level of Austin's economy. But make no mistake, Pittsburgh's economic rebound is the envy of many cities.

Therefore, I do indeed believe we will see AA add a 757 to LHR in the next 3-5 years. I have a pretty good track record of predicting the region's new air service, so we'll see what happens. In the mean time, DL's CDG flight seems to be doing very well now with good loads and strong fares. The flight will continue until the end of October, whereas DL's seasonal PHL-CDG is already discontinued.


On another note, the more I read about PeoplExpress, the more it seems they plan on PIT being the center of their operations. As the article points out they have many hurdles, so not getting too excited yet. But this did get my attention:

"People Express plans to announce better news soon, including a "strategic partnership with a major airline" and opening of reservations, Morisi said. The company has identified 10 aircraft for its first year of operation and obtained landing slots to operate at Newark International Airport. The company also identified operations space at Pittsburgh International Airport, he said"
http://www.dailypress.com/business/p...plexpress-20130831,0,2823746.story

What a huge boost that would be, and to bring this post full circle, competition and lower fares on PIT-EWR would be most welcome.

[Edited 2013-09-03 13:59:57]
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