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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:08 am

Hello All,
Part 1 has become long and Part 2 is being created in order to continue the conversation and make loading the thread easier for members.

Part 1 can be found here Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 (by Stitch Jan 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:04 pm

Apparently

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British Airways parent IAG ordering 62 A320 and A320neo for Vueling, places 100 A320neo options for BA, Iberia and Vueling. #airbus

We could have seen this coming

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:09 pm

Sounds like the order has yet to be signed.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:17 pm

The order for 62 A320 is now firm:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...62-airbus-a320-family-for-vueling/

> 30 A320ceo
> 32 A320neo
> 58 options

all for Vueling

Subject to shareholder approval the deal could be expanded with another 100 options which can be used by any airline in the group (BA, Iberia and Vueling)
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:23 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Sounds like the order has yet to be signed.

The IAG shareholder meeting is scheduled to be held Sept. 26th, so a formal firming of the order will take place then. This also includes the 18 787s and 18 A350s for BA
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4):
so a formal firming of the order will take place then

The press release is not very clear, I get the impression that the 120 units for Vueling have already been firmed and the 100 extra options for BA, Iberia and Vueling are waiting for shareholder approval. But I'm not sure.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:19 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
The press release is not very clear, I get the impression that the 120 units for Vueling have already been firmed and the 100 extra options for BA, Iberia and Vueling are waiting for shareholder approval.

It can certainly be read that way.

More tellingly, the first words in Airbus's release say:

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Firm order is part of a global IAG agreement for up to 220 Airbus single-aisle aircraft
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:42 pm

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:49 am

Boeing Statement on WestJet's Intent to Purchase 65 737 MAX Airplanes:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=128779
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):

Six 787s for Xiamen Airlines.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-08-...izes-Order-for-Six-787-Dreamliners

Showing in this week's update from Boeing, in addition to 7 777 UFO and two 737 cancellations
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:48 pm

Don't know if it was mentioned but WestJet signed a letter of intent for 65 737 MAX jets.

Source CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...08/29/business-westjet-planes.html

"Calgary-based WestJet Airlines Ltd. has announced it will expand its fleet with the addition of 65 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft.

The carrier announced Friday that it has signed a letter of intent to buy 40 737 MAX 8 and 25 737 MAX 7 aircraft, with delivery scheduled to begin in September 2017."

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:00 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 10):
Don't know if it was mentioned but WestJet signed a letter of intent for 65 737 MAX jets.

Look up two replies.  
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:13 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):

Lol sorry I missed that. Thanks.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 9):
. Showing in this week's update from Boeing, in addition to 7 777 UFO and two 737 cancellation

There has been a rumor that these could be part of an order from EY on behalf of JET AIRWAYS , I guess time will tell

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:18 am

Or perhaps Qatar, they have 7x 77W options.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:00 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):

That was just two months ago. Hard to believe they made up their minds so quickly. But the order # is dead on. We will see.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:41 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Or perhaps Qatar, they have 7x 77W options.

My first thought as well, just before the Paris air show Al-Baker said they would order additional 777s, but that turned out to be just the disclosure of a UFO order placed many months before.

So I guess we'll hear an official QR statement at Dubai air show of these 7  

I wonder when QR will firm the options they have on 787s. Was expecting a 787-9 order long ago... Perhaps they'll convert some of their 787-8s on order to -9, if it indeed performs better than spec (which is expected...)
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:33 am

Airbus numbers for August are online, only 10 bookings.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-information/orders-deliveries/

Quote:
The month’s orders were led by the CIT leasing company’s booking for five longer-fuselage A321s in the current engine option (CEO) version, underscoring operators’ needs for higher capacity single-aisle aircraft. The Texas Aviation Group and affiliates contracted for four A319ceo jetliners in August.

Completing the month’s new business was China Eastern Airlines’ order for a widebody A330-200.

These 10 bookings in August brought the year’s total net orders to 902.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:41 am

I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?

And with the China Eastern A332, we can move one of the China MoUs into firm?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:58 am

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?

It looks that way, first delivery will take place later this year.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
And with the China Eastern A332, we can move one of the China MoUs into firm?

I thought the China MoU for 18 A330s was for the -300 only?

[Edited 2013-09-05 01:59:08]
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?
It looks that way, first delivery will take place later this year.

First TWO deliveries were already made in August if you look carefully...
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:09 am

Sorry, I read "A321" for some reason. They will be delivered later this year.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:46 am

Hello folks

Just for those who thinks that no-one works in France (and Europe) in August :
Airbus : 47 deliveries this august ... 38 single aisles, 7 A330's and 2 A380. Not the biggest month of the year, but a rather average one (monthly average january - august : 49.25...)

Waiting for boeing's figures

[Edited 2013-09-05 04:29:40]
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:10 am

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 22):

Slackers  

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 22):
Waiting for boeing's figures

According to Boeing Twitter they delivered 56 in August

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:42 pm

One would expect Boeings figures to be slightly skewed this year.

They have the 787's that are trundling down the line + the rework 787's to be delivered. I have not seen if the process to deliver the rework items is impacting the delivery of other frames or not. I suspect if nothing else it is a management distraction.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:55 pm

we're venturing off topic again.. this thread was to be limited to actual orders not delivery data
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:33 pm

Changes reflected in Boeing's 787 orders cumulative through August, mostly previously discussed:

- Air Canada: 37x 788 changed to 15x 788 + 22x 789
- Air China: engine selection apparently open again as none indicated, previously was RR
- CIT Leasing: selected GE for two more of their 788s. Now 4x 788 GE and 6x 788 still open
- Travel Service: cancellation of their single 788
- Vietnam Airlines: selected GE for 8x 789
- Xiamen: ordered 6x GE powered 788
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 27):
- Air Canada: 37x 788 changed to 15x 788 + 22x 789

Good to see it finally booked  
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:58 am

Boeing orders through September 3 are online.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:28 pm

No change in Boeing's orderbook this week
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 27):

Very poor showing from RR, unfortunately. They really seem to be struggling to sell the T1000 in China.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:31 am

Quoting flood (Reply 27):
- Air China: engine selection apparently open again as none indicated, previously was RR

Now, that is strange. The RR order was announced long ago.

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 31):
Very poor showing from RR, unfortunately. They really seem to be struggling to sell the T1000 in China.

Doing OK with the T700 though!   
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Air Lease Corporation finally firmed their 30 787-10s, plus 3 787-9s:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=128802
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):

Air Lease Corporation finally firmed their 30 787-10s, plus 3 787-9s:

Great! So now the -10 backlog is now 80. I wonder when the other 22 will get firmed from BA and GECAS.

[Edited 2013-09-18 14:12:57]
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:23 pm

The BA order is pending shareholders approval later this month.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:30 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 35):
Great! So now the -10 backlog is now 80. I wonder when the other 22 will get firmed from BA

The IAG shareholders meeting at which the proposed acquisitions of additional B787s and the Airbus A350- 1000 and Airbus A320s for BA and Vueling is to be voted upon is to be held on 25th and 26th September. Assuming that the shareholders vote in favour of the acquisitions then subject to any contractual negotiations still going on with A and B, the IAG board would be at liberty to firm up the orders once the meeting has been held.

Interestingly the shareholder documents refer to the exercise of options for 18 787s of which at least 12 will be 7810s and the remainder 789s - so IAG seems to have some wriggle room to increase the initial order for 7810s up to a maximum of 18 aircraft and not just the initial 12 announced to date.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 37):

Thanks for the info.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:06 pm

Boeing says GECAS finalizes order for 10 Boeing 787-10. This was also a Paris air show order.

http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/380663612471132162
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:50 am

Also from China:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ts-Airbus/articleshow/23036003.cms

43 new orders for the A320 family: 18+9 neo, 5+11 ceo
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:49 am

Zhejiang Loong Airlines signs MoU for 11 A320ceo and nine A320neo.

http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382772396769705984
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:55 am

Qingdao Airlines orders five A320ceo and 18 A320neo.

http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382775184056668160
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:11 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
Zhejiang Loong Airlines signs MoU for 11 A320ceo and nine A320neo.

Official press release here:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-mou-for-20-a320-family-aircraft/

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
Qingdao Airlines orders five A320ceo and 18 A320neo.

Official press release here:
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...es-orders-23-a320-family-aircraft/

Both deals have to be approved by the Chinese government before they can be added to Airbus backlog as firm orders.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:13 am

Quoting india1 (Reply 39):
From China...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...30925

BOC Aviation 25 A320
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:14 am

Are these Chinese order new, or is it just distribution of previous Chinese orders?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 45):
Are these Chinese order new, or is it just distribution of previous Chinese orders?

Hong Kong Aviation Capital signed a MoU for 60 A320neo aircraft in June. Today's orders - which also includes A320ceo aircraft - are also a MoU so I assume these are not part of the previous MoU, otherwise they would have been firmed.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 44):
BOC Aviation 25 A320

Now confirmed: BOC Aviation has ordered 25 A320 family including 12 A320neo.

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/382791744703582209

This one is a firm order.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ily-aircraft-including-12-a320neo/

[Edited 2013-09-25 02:09:35]
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:38 am

VietJet orders up to 92 A320 aircraft, 62 firm + 30 options.

http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382830453368975361
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2

Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:05 pm

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...p-to-100-new-a320-family-aircraft/

Quote:
Vietnam’s VietJetAir has signed a Memorandum of Understanding for up to 92 A320 Family aircraft and will lease eight more from third party lessors. The purchase agreement signed with Airbus today covers for 42 A320neo, 14 A320ceo and six A321ceo, plus 30 purchase rights for the A320 Family.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1380090063_A320_Vietjet_Air.jpg
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