ridgid727
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PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:21 pm

Things have been a little quiet for a couple of months on whats going on at Peoplexpress, since they finalized their purchase of xtrair out of Boise.

With that purchase, and Xtrair doing quite a bit of charter work and contract work, they obviously now have a revenue stream that many upstarts do not have.

They have said they will be operating out of Norfolk, but obviously Norfolk will never have enough OD traffic to support the 14 737-400s they are talking about acquiring, Is this just going to be their HDQ-- (kinda like OO at SGU) where general offices and administrative positions are located but not a huge amount of lift out of the airport?

I see they have been posting out on facebook for people to list the 3 cities they would like to have Peoplexpress serve.

anyone in the know as to what is actually happening in Norfolk?
 
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PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting ridgid727 (Thread starter):
They have said they will be operating out of Norfolk, but obviously Norfolk will never have enough OD traffic to support the 14 737-400s they are talking about acquiring, Is this just going to be their HDQ-- (kinda like OO at SGU) where general offices and administrative positions are located but not a huge amount of lift out of the airport?

They're going to be based out of PHF, not ORF. PHF is going to be their hub with PIT being a focus city. They're aiming towards niche markets that the other airlines have either downgraded to service by their regional affiliates or dropped completely. One of the reasons why PEOPLExpress choose PHF is because of AirTran's departure from the airport as the result of Southwest opting to stick with ORF as the company's station in the region.
 
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PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:41 pm

This is a pure speculation airline in my opinion. They have been "starting up" for years it seems and the first flight has yet to take place.

However, if it is true that they are looking for cities to focus on then perhaps MEM would be a good starting point with the recent DL dehubbing?
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PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 2):
perhaps MEM would be a good starting point with the recent DL dehubbing?

MEM seems too far to the west, unless they plan to serve east and west coast and I am under the impression that they are going to be concentrating on the east coast.
 
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PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:10 pm

they should start a hub at STL, talk about underserved markets.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:28 pm

This new company appears to be doing the right thing, and being very cautious about not hastily starting scheduled operations too soon, until they have their support operations, equipment and statistical studies in place.

I do believe they have hired several in their Route Planning that are very qualified to present the best statistical information to the powers that be in deciding where they first place their resources. I do know one individual who they recruited that I have worked with in the past at another airline, and this person is very qualified to discover and present necessary and documented information to those who will be making city pair and route decisions.

I would concur with the OP of this thread, that they do now have a developed revenue stream with their charter operations which many of the startups of recent years have not had.

From what I have seen and heard, I don't believe they will have a "traditional" hub, but more of a focus city operation, and with their statements about PHF and PIT I can see equipment being used in a focus type operation with dog leg type routings. This would go in line with underserved cities, that between the two of them can develop a good load factor into a focus city operation. When WN started a lot of growth in the 90's they utilized this type of point to point to focus city and beyond operation.

I wish the "new" Peoplexpress all the best.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:19 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
PHF is going to be their hub with PIT being a focus city.

From what I've seen from them there will be no hub. It will be point-to-point. PHF will be the HQ and also the operational base which means it will have a fair amount of service.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:55 pm

The question is will they become an ULCC airline?? aka NK/G4??
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 7):
The question is will they become an ULCC airline

Well, the original PeoplExpress was the first ULCC so it would only seem to make sense that they will be. At least that is my speculation and it is pure speculation.
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:11 pm

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 7):

The question is will they become an ULCC airline?? aka NK/G4??
Quoting deltadawg (Reply 8):
At least that is my speculation and it is pure speculation.

They say that they will not, but I really think they have no choice as that is the only model that is likely to get any Wall Street funding.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 7):
The question is will they become an ULCC airline?? aka NK/G4??

You almost have to think PHF as a secondary airport is the writing on the wall.
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:55 am

I give 'em nine months from the start of scheduled revenue service.
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:59 am

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 4):

they should start a hub at STL, talk about underserved markets.

You're welcome to talk about underserved markets, but given WN's presence in STL, I'm not convinced it should be in the conversation. There are a few specific routes that could probably use additional capacity, but it wouldn't be a particularly good place to for a new carrier to start a hub.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 11):
I give 'em nine months from the start of scheduled revenue service.

Based upon their current trajectory I can't disagree, BUT all it takes is for them is to get a well-known CEO that Wall Street feels is credible and they can reverse all of that really quickly. Biffle just went to some Latin airline or Fornaro of AirTran or one of the higher ups at B6 would do the job. Even Gadek who just left SY would add some credibility.
 
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 10):
You almost have to think PHF as a secondary airport is the writing on the wall.

PHF, aka Williamsburg/Newport News International Airport is a beautiful, highly functional facility. Air Tran carried over 600,000 passengers out of here in their last year of operation.

Parking is inexpensive and a short walk to the terminal. The location of this airport is perfect for those of us that live on the "peninsula", meaning that we do not have to go through the Monitor-Merrimack or Harbor Bridge Tunnels which are constant bottlenecks, especially on weekends and rush hours. There are numerous military facilities here, tourist sports like Colonial Williamsburg, Busch Gardens and Water Country USA and a huge infrastructure of shipbuilding. I believe I recently read that the catchment for this area is in excess of 2,000,000 potential riders.

Properly managed and without excessive growth People should do all right here if they can keep their capitalization up. This area was devastated when WN cancelled all of the Air Tran service out of here and I think they will come to regret it in the long run. We desperately need nonstop routes to BOS, PVD, BDL, LGA, TPA, MIA and FLL. PIT would be a good feed for the southern routes as would ABE.
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 14):

Yes I flew out of PHF on a few occasions when my biz took me to Yorktown or Chesapeake. Given a choice I'd rather use PHF over ORF. I do miss the UA flight from PHF to IAD. Somebody needs to reestablish it. Glad to see F9 there now.
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RE: PeopleXpress Startup - Hub Or Point To Point?

Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:06 am

Before AirTran came to RIC, I used to drive to PHF often to catch their flights. Not a bad drive from Richmond at all. And I'll do it again if PeoplExpress offers lower fares from PHF than I can get at RIC.

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