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US To Move Into AA Terminal At JFK This Month.

Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:44 am

Per our inflight weekly publication at US today. It was stated by Hector Adler the new inflight VP of the combined carrier that USAirways will Co-Locate its operation at JFK with AA beginning this month . More locations to follow soon after merger closing which is expected to be at the end of August / early Sept. Looks like things are moving along quickly trying to combine the two carriers  

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Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:50 am

I haven't seen or heard that anywhere else. Usually there would be information about that in some other place as well.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:55 am

Just came out . If your a US employee you would have heard it on Hector's Bi weekly recorded message to employees titled " Hector's Perspective " If not , then your hearing it from me .
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:57 am

Aww, no more long and winding jetways for my flights to CLT.   But I guess this was inevitable.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:35 am

I was told Aug 28th was the date. The BA terminal in the evening is quite crowded, kind of glad the move is happening.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:52 am

I read on Airlineforums .com that US is also moving to the D concourse at MIA this month.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:10 am

This should be a very easy thing to do as US has so few flights at JFK. Same for moving to D at MIA.

But in a lot of places it will not be so easy. Look at LGA for example.

Of course, ironically, US, by merging with AA, will soon have a very close relationship with the airline whose terminal it's moving out of at JFK as well.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:12 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):

That brings up a thought, will the US flights use specific gates at T8? Or will they just whichever gates are availible at the time?
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):

I was told Aug 28th was the date. The BA terminal in the evening is quite crowded, kind of glad the move is happening.

Very true!

AA has a very nice terminal as well.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:26 am

Who handles US at JFK? If it is something like Eagle then I imagine that they could be slipped in quite easily but if it is in-house or a third party contractor then it might be a bit harder to slip them in.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:35 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):

GSI handles US right now.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:18 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
This should be a very easy thing to do as US has so few flights at JFK. Same for moving to D at MIA.

On thursday, September 5 :

0615 US 1772 JFK - CLT 321
0640 US 621 JFK - PHX 321
0825 US 1831 JFK - CLT 321
1015 US 2067 JFK - CLT 320
1029 US 625 JFK - PHX 321
1200 US 1978 JFK - CLT 321
1345 US 1802 JFK - CLT 319
1629 US 629 JFK - PHX 321
1829 US 425 JFK - CLT 321

0640 US 1960 MIA -CLT 321
0745 US 1823 MIA - PHL 320
0830 US 1860 MIA -CLT 734
1140 US 748 MIA -CLT 321
1305 US 2079 MIA -CLT 734
1355 US 718 MIA - PHL 320
1455 US 730 MIA -CLT 321
1650 US 1868 MIA - PHL 320
1710 US 1798 MIA -CLT 321
1900 US 1838 MIA -CLT 321
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:51 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
Look at LGA for example.

I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:15 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
GSI handles US right now.

I wonder if GSI handling of US has something to do with the BA contract and will it continue when the move to T8.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:28 pm

Effective August 28th US will be operating out of Concourse C, they will be utilizing Gates 34,36,38,40 however if need be they can operate out of any of the terminal 8 gates. Ground handling, will be handled by AA fleet service, while cabin services will be handled by AAs vendors, turns are handled by Airways llc. and RONs are handled by AirServ Corporation.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:34 pm

Their operation isn't that small as you see
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:19 pm

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):

Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere? I could've sworn I had seen some signs about construction. In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement. With Delta's C and D along with their effort to " Win in NY", AA better have some plans, of course that's just all IMHO.

  
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:26 pm

As jfklganyc noted, their operation isn't as small as it seems, and I think you will see an expansion for US at JFK. They were so gate restricted at Terminal 7 that they could not expand their operation. As a matter of fact they were so gate restricted that JFK isn't even a diversion city for US operations.

I think you will see some upcoming growth for US at JFK.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:31 pm

I wonder when US will at ORD. It's been on Concourse F in Terminal 2 for a long time. When TWA moved from Terminal 2 after the merger, TWA flights went out of L1. But, the TWA operation was a lot smaller than the US operation. So, it will be interesting to see where AA puts US operations.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting aa777jfklhr (Reply 17):
Reply 17, posted s_lt(1376317610, 'l F j Y H:i:s');Mon Aug 12 2013 10:26:50 your local timeMon Aug 12 2013 07:26:50 UTC (2 hours 9 minutes 14 secs ago) and read 914 times:

As jfklganyc noted, their operation isn't as small as it seems, and I think you will see an expansion for US at JFK. They were so gate restricted at Terminal 7 that they could not expand their operation. As a matter of fact they were so gate restricted that JFK isn't even a diversion city for US operations.

I think you will see some upcoming growth for US at JFK.

I wonder if we will see PHL service start up again. They ran it with an E-190 that RONed at JFK for a few months last summer but than it just stopped. Hopefully we might see some DCA flights, too? Not enough to take away from the LGA flights, but 2-3 daily E-170s?
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:49 pm

US moves to L Gates at ORD Sept/Oct
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:21 pm

AA is hosting so many oneworld airlines inside JFK T-8, and yet their flagship JV : JFK-LHR, is a split terminal operation, with no post-security transfer service.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:26 pm

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement.

The PANYNJ is in the planning process of demolishing that terminal and building a new one.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
AA better have some plans

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Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:52 pm

Quoting aa777jfklhr (Reply 14):

Effective August 28th US will be operating out of Concourse C, they will be utilizing Gates 34,36,38,40 however if need be they can operate out of any of the terminal 8 gates. Ground handling, will be handled by AA fleet service, while cabin services will be handled by AAs vendors, turns are handled by Airways llc. and RONs are handled by AirServ Corporation.


Interesting to hear about AA doing the ground handling. In PHX we have been told that ATS will continue to work AA after they move in to T4 later this year (still TBD).
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:59 pm

Does the inflight base move necessarily mean an operational move too at the same exact time? Assuming that it does (but it may not), does this mean US/AA lounge access integration is set to start when they do this move or will they strand US club members?
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:00 pm

Quoting Sligo (Reply 24):
does this mean US/AA lounge access integration is set to start when they do this move or will they strand US club members?

I would assume it would happen at the same time, but does US even have a club at JFK?
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):
I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...

I wonder what is going to happen here in Washington, DC. At DCA. Would AA would move from Concourse B to C where US is predominant or stay where they are right now? looks like they can use both and they would have a lounge at both terminals.

Also, here at Dulles US is by itself at the Z gates and AA all the way at the B Terminal. Maybe they'll co-locate to Z which will be cool too.

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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:06 pm

US does not have a club at JFK.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 6):
But in a lot of places it will not be so easy. Look at LGA for example.
Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere?

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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:21 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 26):
I wonder what is happening here in Washington, DC. At DCA. Would AA would move from Concourse B to C where US is predominant or stay where they are right now? looks like they can use both and they would have a lounge at both terminals.

AA and US are the only airlines that operate from the central concourse (well VX operates one flight a day from a US gate) so both airlines will keep the gates at DCA. I wonder what will come of the two lounges. Will they be combined?
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:28 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 27):
US does not have a club at JFK.

Yes, I know. Currently they have reciprocal access to the United Club in 7. A move to 8 would mean either entry into the AC or loss of all lounge access.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting HNL (Reply 29):
. Will they be combined?

They'll probably keep both lounges as there is no after security connector between Councourses B & C.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):

AA is hosting so many oneworld airlines inside JFK T-8, and yet their flagship JV : JFK-LHR, is a split terminal operation, with no post-security transfer service.

I was wondering if they have thought about an inside security transfer bus. it is very inconvenient to transfer from one airline ie. BA then have to leave security to go to AA's terminal to catch another flight. Just another reason not to take BA.

Quoting chepos (Reply 27):
US does not have a club at JFK

They only have 8 flights, so why would they?
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 32):
I was wondering if they have thought about an inside security transfer bus. it is very inconvenient to transfer from one airline ie. BA then have to leave security to go to AA's terminal to catch another flight. Just another reason not to take BA.

If you are coming off an international flight, you would have to leave security anyway to clear customs and immigration....
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 31):
They'll probably keep both lounges as there is no after security connector between Councourses B & C.

There is a US Air Club and an Admirals Club in the central concourse. US now occupies the old United Red Carpet Club. There is also a US Air Club in the north concourse. So my question is will the new airline combine the two lounges in the central concourse.

Also US operates an airside shuttle bus between the north can central concourses.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 33):
If you are coming off an international flight, you would have to leave security anyway to clear customs and immigration....

I get that, but I would rather after a long flight in February, I don't feel like going out of the terminal.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):

AA completely renovated the D concourse at LGA in the last two or three years. The difference is amazing. Sadly I couldn't find any photos online that really show the improvement, but it's night and day. The C concourse, however, is still firmly in third world territory. AA has not been able to move forward with renovations on that concourse for a variety of reasons (UA/PANYNJ).

I could see UA eventually moving to US's current space at LGA and US moving to a renovated C concourse in the CTB. I'm not sure if that's enough space though for both operations. Of course, this is all temporary (we think) as someday, maybe, the PANYNJ will finally move forward with the planned new CTB.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 26):

I passed through DCA last week and was surprised to see UA is no longer sharing a concourse with AA there. In fact, that concourse is all US/AA now, so I'm sure they're quite content with that arrangement (aside from possibly wanting even more space). I guess the only major co-location to take place at DCA will have to do with the ticket counter, baggage service and operations areas.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
the PANYNJ will finally move forward with the planned new CTB.

Its in the planning process now with plans to be complete I believe in 2021.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
I could see UA eventually moving to US's current space at LGA

I don't think UA will want to be away from AC so I think WN, B6 and F9 will move to Terminal C, NK, AC and some of UA will be in concourse A with the rest of UA in A and part of AA/US in B and all of C and D.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 28):
I saw it open for business today.

Yes, It just opened with in the last day or so.....It think it was paid for before the merger talks.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 16):
Aren't US in the process of building a New Lounge over by C somewhere? I could've sworn I had seen some signs about construction. In any case that AA Terminal at LGA needs to buried and ressurected! Yeesh! Only flew through there once and dilapidated is an understatement. With Delta's C and D along with their effort to " Win in NY", AA better have some plans, of course that's just all IMHO.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 12):
I think LGA is one of the biggest questions of all the airports. I don't think there is doubt that if they combine it will be in Terminal B but it remains to be seen if the other airlines will be willing to move etc...

Delta now controls the lease of Terminal C at LGA.....It is pretty much understood that once US Air's lease is up Delta will not renew it, as they need the extra gate space badly (LGA has more gate turns per day then ATL currently). What I think will happen:

American and US will merge operations in Terminal B. To make room, Jetblue will move to the Marine Air Terminal after Delta will make them an offer they can't refuse in terms of transferring the lease to them. Jetblue will be able to have there own branded terminal at LGA. Delta will then move the shuttle operation to Terminal C where US operated there shuttle originally (on the East side). Terminal C's US Airways club will be connected to the new sky Club (they share a wall back by the bar in the Sky club i believe) This of course is just an educated guess.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting n7190jr (Reply 38):
To make room, Jetblue will move to the Marine Air Terminal after Delta will make them an offer they can't refuse in terms of transferring the lease to them.

Um, JetBlue today has 3 gates, with only 18 departures a day at LGA, they certainly don't need 6 gates nor will they want to take on an expensive lease for just 18 flights. I certainly think DL will want to move the shuttle to Terminal C and will probably do that when US' lease is up but JetBlue in this scenario would not be the only airline to move, they would probably put some bunch of B6, WN, NK or F9 at the marine air terminal in this scenario. The thing is there are not enough gates at LGA to just give B6 extra and take some from someone else. The only extra gate at LGA today is one of F9's 2 gates with 2 flights a day at separate times of the day.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting HNL (Reply 34):
So my question is will the new airline combine the two lounges in the central concourse.

That seems the most logical. AA's club at DCA is tiny. Combining the two would give AA a far more substantial lounge space in that concourse - which they are going to need.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 36):
AA completely renovated the D concourse at LGA in the last two or three years. The difference is amazing.

It is dramatically nicer than it used to be. Although it's still horribly inadequate. AA definitely did do the absolute best that I think could be done, though.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 37):
plans to be complete I believe in 2021.


Eight years! In the interim, I agree with others that it makes the most sense for all the parties involved to work out a "grand bargain" where US moves into UA's current C space. I don't know if that will actually be feasible, though.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
Eight years!

Oh I completly know that something will have to be done before hand, I was just saying people say "If the Port Authorirty starts the process" and I am just saying they already started the process.

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
for all the parties involved to work out a "grand bargain" where US moves into UA's current C space.

I think it is feasible for AA/US to fit in concourses C and D but I don't think they will want to. I think they will want some gates on B too. I think Terminal A may just become the LGA LCC terminal.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 23):

Interesting to hear about AA doing the ground handling. In PHX we have been told that ATS will continue to work AA after they move in to T4 later this year (still TBD).

I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.

If it is already outsourced work, it doesn't matter whom it is outsourced to....
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 43):

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
I didn't even think it was legal for US to work AA planes and vice versa, without a single contract or MOU from the unions.

If it is already outsourced work, it doesn't matter whom it is outsourced to....


This is my understanding as well; US and AA can only do ground handling for one another if its done through a bid process, assuming the work is already outsourced and not in house. If US at JFK was in house and AA started handling their flghts I believe then you run in to scope problems.
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Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:55 pm

Anyone know if/when US relocates to same terminal as AA @ LAX?

Might be some space constraints there, but figured I'd ask. Also, would Southwest try and claim/rent the resulting free gates in terminal 1?

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Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 45):
Anyone know if/when US relocates to same terminal as AA @ LAX?

Might be some space constraints there, but figured I'd ask. Also, would Southwest try and claim/rent the resulting free gates in terminal 1?
Early this year it was announced US will be moving to T3 with WN taking over the rest of the T1 and renovating it. I don't know how the merger changes things, but considering it was announced back in January and US executives were already no doubt in discussions with AA about merging at that point, I assume the move will still happen. I can't find any info about when the relocation occurs however.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:14 am

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 45):

US is already set to move out of T1 so WN can get the terminal to themselves and WN/LAX plan on renovating T1. My guess is instead of US moving to T3 they will move right to AA terminal.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 47):
US is already set to move out of T1 so WN can get the terminal to themselves and WN/LAX plan on renovating T1. My guess is instead of US moving to T3 they will move right to AA terminal.

But why would AA/US willingly give up gates in a very gate controlled airport? I predict AA/US will hang onto the 3 or 4 gates that US will pick up in T3.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:29 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 18):
I wonder when US will at ORD. It's been on Concourse F in Terminal 2 for a long time. When TWA moved from Terminal 2 after the merger, TWA flights went out of L1. But, the TWA operation was a lot smaller than the US operation. So, it will be interesting to see where AA puts US operations.
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 20):
US moves to L Gates at ORD Sept/Oct

NK's current gates? Does NK get US's current T2 gates in the process?
"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"