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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:12 pm

Hi All,

Part 18 is getting lengthy, so here is part 19.

Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 18 (by wilco737 Aug 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:43 am

Ok so to catch up with deliveries from last thread,

NH JA823A (LN120) delivered

CZ LN93 Delivered

A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Royal Brunei on the flightline

Some of the other chinese airplanes are in paint or sitting on the flight line

Any updates?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:46 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Only one was flown to Ft. Worth.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:54 am

What happened to VT-ANN? I thought delivery was assured   
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:12 am

Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:13 am

ILF/NLH Line 112 delivered.
Flies away on Saturday.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:

That should be DLA

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/9577638111_b3e4d16f23_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3770/9577638305_e4deabac99_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5448/9580425480_f5f7a54222_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

Nice shots though.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:20 am

Any indication on why Vt-ANN undelivered?

Other than the wild laughter from the bankers when Boeing asked if the check would clear?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:26 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):

Boring livery. Good to see something new.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:02 am

Those AI birds have flown a lot of test flights, I wonder when B just feel i´s not worth it anymore and cancel the sales?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:25 am

Matt Cawby tweeted that VT-ANN had a maintenance engine run on 23rd August. That's the only update we have had on it since 20th August.

On the other hand, any idea if we have an AI team in CHS to take delivery of VT-ANO?

AI should be taking delivery of ANN or ANO very soon to start Oz flights from 29th August. Otherwise, they will have to scale down the current 787 ops.

Quoting sweair (Reply 9):

This is because ANN had some issues with the Transformer Rectifier Unit and Boeing did a replacement of the P300 panel.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:27 am

AI's first tranche of 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs sat at PAE for months once they were completed before AI sent crews to pick them up, so why be different with their 787-8s?  
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:04 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):
That should be DLA

Indeed. Auto-correct can be frustrating!


It is a boring livery, especially compared to their previous scheme.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:45 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):
Boring livery. Good to see something new.

I agree. Where is all the yellow  


V8-BLC Boeing 777-212(ER) Royal Brunei Airlines by Robert Frola, on Flickr

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:40 am

Air India LN30 (VT-ANE) is getting its engines installed:


Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

More pictures here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9580389972/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9577603617/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9580389506/

@nyc777 Seems like this is Bay AW.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:04 am

Quote:
Another early bird has been towed to the EMC. Look for the 2 ANA tails in this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/9561382772

I found the answer in moonm's pictures: Transaero Airlines LN12, ex-ANA JA805A, has joined LN14 at the EMC:


Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

To sum up:

> UN LN11: inside the EMC, bay D (ex ANA JA804A)
> UN LN12: outside the EMC, position ?? (ex ANA JA805A)
> UN LN14: outside the EMC, position 3 (ex ANA JA809A)
> UN LN22: storage (ex ANA, never had a registration)

[Edited 2013-08-24 04:09:51]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:21 pm

ZB001 (787-9) has rolled out of 40-24.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371380979136356352/photo/1

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:30 pm

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:39 pm

Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:44 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 18):
Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.

They probably made some scratches to the paint during the installation of the test equipment. I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:55 pm

They're preparing for A.net comments by painting a bullseye on the side.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:38 pm

Matt is now saying that it is heading into the paint hangar just to get weighed and it should be at the fuel doc shortly. Engine run in a couple days maybe FF in a week or two?

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:23 am

What a beauty:



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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:25 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 22):
What a beauty:

   Indeed  

In other 787 news, EI-LNB is being prepared for it delivery flight:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371426452396191744

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:01 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.

I would not be surprised if properly masking all the test equipment hanging off the outside would be a pain in the bum and if you didn't do it properly, you could damage (or even destroy) the testing equipment.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 21):
Matt is now saying that it is heading into the paint hangar just to get weighed and it should be at the fuel doc shortly. Engine run in a couple days maybe FF in a week or two?

I think 2- 3 weeks is more like it. They want to take things very carefully with this one.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:46 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 25):
I think 2- 3 weeks is more like it. They want to take things very carefully with this one.

Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789. I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789.

The two companies have very different processes in regards to test planes.. plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one. It's not a race.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:27 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
The two companies have very different processes in regards to test planes.. plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one. It's not a race.

Not to mention that the 789 is a derivative of the 788, so to the general public, the first flight of the 787-9 is anticlimactic at best...the public does not appreciate how much extra work in engineering and certification goes into a slightly longer 788  
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:45 am

It wins over thee 788 on looks for sure, not as stubby, slender and sharp one this. It will probably be the better selling over time as well.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:48 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one.

So you are suggesting that they were not careful with flight testing on the 788? And spending an extra week of testing will prevent a huge problem like a SOB join? One you complete the pre flight tests is there much value in doing them again?

I did not make a claim that they should rush; I am just wondering when the first flight might be. I use the A359 as a guide but not a tell tail sign. If you have an opinion on when they flight do the flight testing, would love to hear it.


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
It has now been five weeks for the 789.

Not really. During the last 5 weeks, test equipment was installed and it officially rolled out last night. Now they can start fuel tank tests, APU runs, gauntlet and vibration tests etc. I'd say it should fly in the second half of next month, 3 to 4 weeks from now.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.

Everything was installed during assembly.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:32 pm

EI-LNB (Norwegian #2 / ILFC #3) on its way home!
http://www.flightradar24.com/NLH1A
7th in August so far. 80th in total.
Up to 4 more (2x AI + 1x JAL + 1x HIA) to go by end of next week.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
So you are suggesting that they were not careful with flight testing on the 788?

No I was saying that they got in trouble with the press/public/A.net for publishing schedules and missing..

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
I did not make a claim that they should rush;

I sensed that however when the original comment included a comparison, it alluded to a competition between suppliers, which it is not an at this stage should never be.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:28 pm

Anyone have a clue to who's 787 this one is ?


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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 34):
Anyone have a clue to who's 787 this one is ?

I think this is one of the early frames that was supposed to go to LA. So its either LN10 or LN16, I think.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:51 pm

817Dreamliner thank you
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):
No I was saying that they got in trouble with the press/public/A.net for publishing schedules and missing..

Over-promising and under-delivering is a bad thing. I also think they should not be giving exact timelines for first flight.

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):
I sensed that however when the original comment included a comparison, it alluded to a competition between suppliers, which it is not an at this stage should never be.

I am similarly annoyed with the constant comparisons between the programs. I was just using available information to give me an idea of how it will take to see her in the air. Can't wait.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:57 pm

DELIVERED TO DATE: 80 Aircraft to 14 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO AUGUST
NH-20; JL-10; AI-7; UA–7; QR-7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-3; BY-3; BA-2; CZ-2; DY-1; HU-1

AUGUST DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 116 - A7-BCG – 8/9/2013 - QR #8
L/N 115 – N961AM - 8/16/2013 - AM #1 (ILFC)
L/N 106 - G-TUID – 8/16/2013 – BY #4
L/N 110 - JA822A - 8/20/2013 - NH #21
L/N 120 - JA823A - 8/21/2013 - NH #22
L/N 93 - B-2732 – 8/22/2013 - CZ #3
L/N 112 – EI-LNB - 8/23/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC)

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 8/xx/2013 - AI #8
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 8/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 21 – JA823J – 8/xx/2013 - JL #11
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 8/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 8/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 73 - B-2728 – 8/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/xx/2013 - BA #3
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 9/xx/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 9/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 104 - B-2737 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #6 (Storage)
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 9/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD - x/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 127 – N965AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 124 - N27908 - 9/xx/2013 - UA #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - x/xx/2013 – BI #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001)
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 35):
I think this is one of the early frames that was supposed to go to LA. So its either LN10 or LN16, I think.
Quoting pdxswa (Reply 36):
817Dreamliner thank you

Indeed it is either LN10 or LN16, originally destined for LAN. The picture was taken at Kilo South. Unfortunately both 787s never received a registration number so it's impossible to know which one of the 2 the picture is.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:43 pm

Looks like Boeing has put the flags of customers on the 787-9 as well. I am having trouble uploading but you can find it here from Matt:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6635.htm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:25 pm

KarelXWB thanks for confirming that for me and everyone else here.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:39 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789. I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.

The aircraft has to go through gauntlet testing including APU and engine runs followed by taxi tests then first flight.

[Edited 2013-08-25 15:53:28]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 40):

No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 32):
Up to 4 more (2x AI + 1x JAL + 1x HIA) to go by end of next week.

Don't know about AI...they have financing issues.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:45 pm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:50 pm

Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):

AC is on there and I was not sure that was firmed. I tried to identify each tail in the 787-9 rollout thread. I am missing a couple.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:52 pm

Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):
No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!

They have to convert them into firm orders first.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:01 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):
No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!

They cancelled their firm orders, so they're not currently a customer.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19

Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:52 am

Guys another question this one is obvious but there is no registration on this one although it does say ANA. Is this really going to ANA ?


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