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Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:16 am

OK! I'm only like 5'2, and my legs hit the seat in front of me on almost every airline. Personally, I'm sick of it, but it's one of those things you can't change.

One question, how safe is that miniscule space to walk through in an emergency evacuation. It adds to the panic, I would guess. Anybody else feel the same, or am I screaming into utter nothingless. Of course, you can always climb over the seat, and the airplane becomes a gigantic crowded jungle gym.

AA737-800

 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:56 am

I am as tall as you, and i have flown united, no legroom ! but i almost fly only air france on international, i do not think i have trouble with seat pitch.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:02 am

fly American  seriously, i think think that there are regulations and if it were a problem, it would have fixed by now.
cheers,
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:07 pm

Recline the seat, cross your arms, fall asleep, and stop complaining.

Jeeze...
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:08 pm

I can only say 1 word: Upgrade!
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:35 pm

I think that average sized people shouldn't be subjected to such punishment just because they are in economy class. Why should they have to upgrade? I am 6'4" and have only found sufficient space on some occasions and understand that I am taller than average and can't expect too much. But being 5'2" or whatever and not having enough space is ridiculous.

TWA717_200: The pax in front of me must hate me. They don't even have an opportunity to recline the seat usually because it has already hit my legs and won't go further  
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 9:10 pm

Dear AA 737-800
You are absolutly right!!! The legroom of ALL airlines in economy is a cheek   . They are all cattle carriers. On short haul is not important but on long haul it is not bearble. When ever I have enough miles or I can afford it, I upgrade.
Regards Philipp
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:50 pm

Yah...
I pretty agree with CPDC10-30, you should be well comfortable with your seat, AA737-800. Your legs shouldn't be long enough to get stuck since you're only 5' 2". I am 5'5" and its great for me on every single seat. But maybe I only fly international lines since I live in HK~ Anyways, which airline made you sooooo angry??>

Skybutt
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:22 am

AA737-800, do your feet even touch the ground when you sit all the way back in your seat?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:25 am

Yup, I am over 6 feet, and in United Shuttle *First Class* yesterday there still wasn't very much room.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:51 am

Don't make fun of AA737-800. He is perhaps not yet very tall but he is absolutly right. What all airlines offer in economy class regarding legroom and other space is horrible and shouldn't be accepted. A flight longer than 4 hours in economy is torture. I remember the 1970ies where is was much better. Swissair, for example, only had a 2-4-2 seating in their DC 10's. I would love to pay more for more room, but not as much as in business class.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:57 am

CPDC10-30,

I really laughed when I read you post: I'm also over 6 ft and the guy that seats in front of me always has a bad experience !!
One day in a french domestic service, a passenger even complained that his seat was not reclining due to mecanical problems !!  

Long haul flights are really difficult sometimes, since I like to have the window seat: then it implies "invading" or trying to avoid invading my neighbour's space.
Aisles seats are better for the legs but quite dangerous for people walking ... What a dilemma....

My worst flight occured when I was trapped in the middle of 4 front seats during 12 hours, flight fully booked.... lol it was 12 months ago !
I'm eager to travel enough to gain enough miles to be upgraded more frequently !!

Rds
 
Guest

RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:58 am

You get what you pay for. There's an interesting thread over on PPRuNe about this issue!

http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/Forum1/HTML/010701.html
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 4:29 am

I am 5'9" and I rarely have a problem, I have never had a problem on US, CO, DL, AA & HA. Well of course, there was that CO DC-10, My knees were hitting the seat because I was slouching down trying to sleep.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 4:50 am

If you are so short that your legs stick out and hit the seat in front of you, get a bunch of pillows and stick them behind you. That way you can slide up enough so that your feet dangle instead of cramming up against the seat in front of you.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 11:30 am

I think airlines should improve coach legroom. Everyone should do what AA is doing and remove a couple of rows. BTW, There is more legroom in emergency exit rows than in other rows.

Regards,
BH346
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 11:59 am

I totally agree that NO aircraft has enough leg room.
I've been on 737's DC-10's MD-80, you name it.
Airlines really need to do something about it.

I know that your name is 737-800, but I was recently on one and I realized that it has less leg room, and the seats were even narrower than any other 737.
"If it was cool to be a fool, I'd be the hippest guy around"
 
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RE: Vincent32

Mon Oct 30, 2000 6:53 pm

Vincent32: If an aircraft is cramped, it ONLY depends on the Airline and not on the aircraft.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 7:08 pm

Ceilid

You get what you pay for? You say that becase you are starting a new airline that will pack people in like sardines?

I dont like coach class, im to big for it. 6'4" like some others here. I try to book flights that will not be full if i can so there is room. Sometime I am lucky and my dad will get me upgrade for long flights. But there is nothing worse than someone tall and broad sholdered like me sitting next to someone else who is large framed.

Makes it very uncomfortable for all concerned. There is a safty issue as well Ithink. What if there is a evacuatiun and it takes me a minute to disentangle my legs from the seat in front of me that is reclined? Therefore trapping the people beside me?

Not good.

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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Mon Oct 30, 2000 7:09 pm

Stop complaining! I´m 6'3, so I know what I´m talking about. Have you ever been on a DC10 with 380 seats or an A320 with 175? I have, and it´s OK, and you guys are complaining about a DC10 with 240 and A320s with 140 seats...
Daniel 
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 3:47 am

I agree with the comment that you get what you pay for. If airlines substantially increased the leg room to a pitch that offered a comfortable standard, then without a doubt, the fares will increase. Then, less peopl will be able to afford to fly!

So, if you wish to have more legroom, then you have to pay the additional fare to fly either preminum economy, business or first class.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:02 am

Airlines have to make money some how. If you really want more foot room so badly, buy a first class ticket. You get what you pay for. If foot room were increased, ticket prices would go up, and people would complain about high ticket prices.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:14 am

Airsicknessbag: if you find a DC 10 with 380 or a 320 with 175 seats o.k., it is your problem. I personally would never ever fly in such a can of sardine. Even a "normal" economy class of any major airline is not bearable and inhuman for a flight more than four hours. The airlines should rise the fare for economy class and give more room. Or they should have a class between business and economy in room and price.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 10:28 am

I'm 6'3", and while I find Economy cramped, I stick my feet as far under the seat in front of me as possible. I usually don't have a problem. Try that! Straighten out your legs to fit under the seat, and you shouldn't have a problem! Also try getting an aisle seat, that way you can stick your legs out into the aisle when no one is around. Also, if you have an aisle, take frequent walks just to get up! Walk to the back of the plane, and you won't notice it that bad. Also, as someone said, try moving up to Business.

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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 4:03 pm

Adam777 - we'll be keeping the L1011s in the existing DL configuration, which gives 32 inches of pitch. That's four inches more than our direct competitors - other charter airlines - and one inch more than British Airways' World Traveller!

Unfirtunately, when we - like other airlines - work out how much to charge for a flight, we take the number of passengers we can carry based on market projections - as numerous airlines have found, just because you have a B747 on a route doesn't mean that you'll fill it! - work out a realistic breakeven loadfactor (usually around the 70 - 75% level) and there you go. You carry fewer passengers - or have a lower breakeven - then the costs must be spread amongst fewer pax and the fares must increase.

Unfortunately, this sector is a price, rather than quality, driven one. As long as people demand the lowest possible fares, they will have to put up with being squeezed into narrow seats with little legroom - however if they are prepared to pay for it, the option is always available to travel in more comfort.

Me? Unless, it's a really short flight, I never travel in anything less than business class - I'm 6'3" and 210 lbs.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:06 pm

From a list published yesterday (Focus-magazine, Germany´s second largest news magazine):

Very bad in Economy class are in general European Airlines even though it differs from aircraft-type to aircraft-type (distance between seet-rows in cm).

- virtually no room (under 81 cm) you can experience flying with Air France, Hapag-Lloyd, KLM, China Eastern, Lauda, Lufthansa, Aerolloyd, United, SIA (!), Delta and BA.

Better but still not good are:
- Emirates (87 cm)
- Thai, American, Air New Zealand, SAA, ANA, Korean, JAL (86 cm)
- Cathay (82-87 cm)
- Air India (up to 100 cm but also down to 78)

Surprise: I don´t know on which type but Air India seems to have the most and the least room on its aircraft!
 
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RE: Na, Focus

Tue Oct 31, 2000 7:27 pm

Na,
this proves once again that Focus is crap (long live Spiegel): reason tells us that it´s quite impossible for Lufthansa and Aero Lloyd to have the same distance between seats:
LH put 24 rows into an A320, 31 into an A321;
YP put 29 rows into an A320, 36 into an A321.
That´s five rows more in each type.
Daniel 
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:48 am

I don't think that analysis is necessarily invalid; first of all, it didn't give a specific number, it just said "under 81 cm" (32 inches). So under 81 cm could be 75 cm or 80.5 cm. And if LH puts a first class section on their aircraft, the plane is going to have fewer rows since first class seats get more pitch.
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:06 am

I love being a little over 5'...  
 
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Airsicknessbag: LH

Tue Nov 07, 2000 10:24 am

Airsicknessbag, I don't know where you got your figures from, but they aren't quite correct.

On LH

A320: 27 rows
A321: 35 rows.

From the LH timetable. Makes sense, given that they offer a virtual one class service on European routes (their J/C is really Y).

24 rows in a single class A320 would be 34". Most longhaul carriers struggle to achieve that, and LH is certainly not known for legroom.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Skystar

Tue Nov 07, 2000 7:46 pm

Justin,

I hope this doesn´t earn me the reputation of a bean counter, but anyway:
my figures are correct, please check out your timetable more accurately:
yes, the last row on the 320 is called 27 - however, 13 and 17 don´t exist on any LH aircraft, and 15/16 is one row (15 on the left, 16 on the right) - 27-3=24;
yes, the last row on the 321 is called 35 - subtract 13 and 17 and consider that 11 comes right after 8 - 35-4=31

Concerning leg room, you´re right that Y and C don´t differ. The difference is service and the 5 abreast seating.

Best Regards

Daniel 
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Tue Nov 07, 2000 8:03 pm

forgot to ad, the 5 abreast only being on intl routes, not domestic ones.
Daniel 
 
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RE: Ahhh! No Leg Room!

Wed Nov 08, 2000 6:09 am

I don't know about LH, I only can tell you that SR has 25 rows in the 320 and 31 in the 321 (right side) and 32 left side. In business 5 abreast.
 
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RE: Daniel

Wed Nov 08, 2000 3:14 pm

You almost won  

I forgot that they didn't have certain rows (Another one of these silly "no row 13" airlines - I'm a "superstitions are childish" person). So I did the count each row method.

LH320: 25 rows (dom/euro)
It's quite simple, do the math, 25x6=150 seats, which is the correct amount.

LH321: 31 rows (dom/euro). Daniel - du hast recht, you won this one  

LH aren't famed for legroom, rather the opposite.

Cheers,

Justin