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Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:43 am

Chinese tourists on SIA flight tried to keep 30 sets of in-flight cutlery

Apparently someone tried getting away with 30 sets of silverware on SQ!

When a friend of mine was a steward with SQ he told me it happens on virtually every flight and its probably quite difficult for them to police this.

I wonder how much pilfered silverware and crockery costs the industry annually..
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting infinit (Thread starter):
Apparently someone tried getting away with 30 sets of silverware on SQ!

Yeah saw this quite bizarre! I mean 30 sets lol...
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:37 am

I remember listening to Bahrain radio interview with a sales rep from a blanket manufacturer. He said Gulf Air bought 1500 blankets a month to replace those lost.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:01 pm

I guess someone (maybe the tour guide) told them the cutlery was free, so they all loaded up. I guess it's not obvious to crew if the odd tea spoon goes missing, but it must be quite apparent when 30 trays in a row come back without cutlery!

I'm sure i've seen it on a.net before, but VS J salt/pepper pots have "Stolen from Virgin" on the bottom of them (or was it the tea spoons?). Either way, airlines know it happens, and I assume factor it into their millions of little costs.
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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:56 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 2):

I remember listening to Bahrain radio interview with a sales rep from a blanket manufacturer. He said Gulf Air bought 1500 blankets a month to replace those lost.
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I'm sure i've seen it on a.net before, but VS J salt/pepper pots have "Stolen from Virgin" on the bottom of them (or was it the tea spoons?). Either way, airlines know it happens, and I assume factor it into their millions of little costs.

Good lord.. I suppose for some of these people they probably don't fly a lot so the idea is to take a souvenir but I find it repulsive. It is outright theft. It would add to the amount of time the crew take to collect trays back but I think one way to deal with it is for the crew to check that all the cutlery and crockery are on the tray when they are returned. If anything is missing they could highlight it. The embarrassment would surely be a good deterrence. I'm sure the SQ FAs could point it out in a way that is sufficiently embarrassing without being too confrontational 
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:57 pm

Quoting infinit (Thread starter):
he told me it happens on virtually every flight and its probably quite difficult for them to police this.

So who here have done it?
Ok, I'll be the first to own up.  blush 
I did keep as "souvenir" the odd spoon, fork or knife now and then when the design took my fancy.
Maybe on only 2% & of my hundreds of flights and I haven't done it again for many many years.
The one time I took a whole set - fork, spoon, knife, salt & pepper pots and plate was also the only time I flew F but that was different as I overtly & politely asked the FA for the lot.  
And, oh yes, I also have two blankets in my "collection" - one was from among my first few longhauls and the other was given to me by a airline mechanic friend much later.
However, I do draw the line at safety cards.

[Edited 2013-08-29 08:07:49]
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 3):
I'm sure i've seen it on a.net before, but VS J salt/pepper pots have "Stolen from Virgin" on the bottom of them (or was it the tea spoons?).

I believe Thomson also has that on theirs in their Prem cabin.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting infinit (Reply 4):
Good lord.. I suppose for some of these people they probably don't fly a lot so the idea is to take a souvenir but I find it repulsive. It is outright theft. It would add to the amount of time the crew take to collect trays back but I think one way to deal with it is for the crew to check that all the cutlery and crockery are on the tray when they are returned. If anything is missing they could highlight it. The embarrassment would surely be a good deterrence. I'm sure the SQ FAs could point it out in a way that is sufficiently embarrassing without being too confrontational 

May be they are from remote Chinese village who are not trained on airline etiquette, it doesn't make them thieves. SQ should care only if caterer is charging back SQ for every missing spoon. It is not property of SQ. Before FA embarrasses a passenger (in a nice way) can SQ guarantee their caterer didn't miss a spoon.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:01 pm

I must confess I did steal the great plastic silverware and a few other items on my only trip on the Concorde!!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:03 pm

I have a few nice sets of cutlery but not silver.. how many airlines actually use silver cutlery? It's extremely expensive!

Plus a few Virgin blankets.. and the Waterford crystal glasses onbaord Cunard ships are lovely.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:10 pm

I have boxes of cups and the Biscotti cookies from ExpressJet's branded airline....
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:14 pm

This reminds me of a cute story... my partner grew up as a child in Vietnam and flew with his family to the U.S. as sponsored immigrants. First time in the city, first time in an enclosed car, first time in an airport, airplane, the whole nine yards.

Anyway, his family was so surprised and impressed by the plastic meal service (little cups and trays and chopsticks and so on) that they neatly stacked the empties, packed them up, and took them home. Not sure whether the Cathay Pacific F/A's ever thought to argue with the Truong family, but all those little items are still stacked away in my mother-in-law's cupboard.

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:15 pm

I think airlines factor this type of thing into their fares.. unless you were actually trying to swipe a whole THIRTY sets of cutlery!

I remember once flying to Beirut with BA in club class (bmed) in 2001 and the flight attendant who I got on with *very* well handed me a duty free bag as I left the flight.. Molton Brown hand soap, moisturiser, 2 bottles of champagne and half a bottle of red wine.

And with some airlines you actually get given gifts. MEA hands out little boxes of Lebanese sweets to take away with you and stationary.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:16 pm

I once landed in Doha and these three guys boarded looking as though they had just parked their camels in the airport car park. They picked up the blankets and after much thought wrapped them around their heads for the entire flight. At LHR they walked off with them still wrapped around their heads no one said a thing.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:57 pm

Many mainland Chinese have not learned western etiquette and do a lot of what we would think of as strange things. It would not be out of the ordinary to see such things from people travelling on Chinese trains or busses. When you bought a bowl of rice at a rural train station not long ago it would come in a ceramic bowl that you take with you. The Chinese country bumpkins (the central Han Chinese are the white trash of China) are also notorious for taking off their shoes and socks, littering, spitting, smoking under "no smoking" signs and walking around in public in pyjamas. Not too many of them fly internationally however. Of course stealing silverware was a classic itinerant white trash move back before plastic utensils.

I have some spoons with the old UA logo but they were given to me.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:07 pm

A lot of said items from various airlines are for sale on E Bay, now would that be passengers or staff?     
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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 9):
and the Waterford crystal glasses onbaord Cunard ships are lovely.

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 15):
A lot of said items from various airlines are for sale on E Bay, now would that be passengers or staff?

Some amazing stuff on Ebay from almost every airline -- some from defunct airlines. A lot of stuff from QR who perhaps has a worse problem than SQ.

Most interesting? A flight attendant manual and neck lanyard from G4. I'm relatively sure it wasn't a customer who put it on sale.  
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 15):
A lot of said items from various airlines are for sale on E Bay, now would that be passengers or staff?

When I lived in HNL for a few years, my partner used to rifle through Goodwill stores, he found Fendi purses he gave his sister, warm clothing that was brand new, and I found hundreds and hundreds of items including flatware, silverware, china, flight bags, glassware and amenity kits from multiple airlines, SQ, PA, UA, WA, CO and many more.

I bought hundreds of dollars worth of these airline logo items, it seemed there was a never ending supply of them. By the time a few years had gone by, I had big boxes full of stuff. Well when I moved back to the mainland I brought all of it with me, and when I spent nearly a year finding the right job, I was able to sell all of this stuff on Ebay, and made quite a handsome profit, thus allowing us to live almost a year without a paycheck.

An example was those plastic flight bags that were given away or sold, I had dozens of PA ones, most still in the plastic, I had a gentleman in Japan who bought almost all of them from me, paying upwards of $100 a piece for something I got at Goodwill for 3-5 dollars. I had a set of plates from QF on Noritake china, and some of the flatware was really silverware.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:03 pm

My mother has a cupboard full of extremely old Aer Lingus desert dishes (or at least I presume she still does) and some BA spoons. Funny thing is she never flew that much!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:34 pm

I have a Ultima Thule (by Tapio Wirkkala) champagne glass from Finnair.

Actually, I told the CSD that it was going to "accidentally" fall into my bag once I had finished the champagne, at which point she snuck back to the galley and returned with a tissue-wrapped clean glass for me to keep. I don't suppose that is actually pilfered, is it?
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:42 pm

30 is excessive, although I'll admit that I have all sorts of things. Many have been given to me, but others I've taken... I have everything from cutlery to an EA shot glass.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 8):
I must confess I did steal the great plastic silverware and a few other items on my only trip on the Concorde!!

I have a feeling they expected a lot of items to be taken from the Concorde. Considering the ticket price.....
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:04 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 8):
I must confess I did steal the great plastic silverware and a few other items on my only trip on the Concorde!!

I was on one of the last revenue BA Concorde flights and was packing the Safety Briefing card into my carry-on as we pulled up to the LHR gate. Just then a friendly and apologetic voice gently, over the PA, urged us all NOT to take the Safety Briefing cards as they were running dangerously low on them.

I caved and left mine behind too.

Was that really 10 years ago? Hard to believe.

[Edited 2013-08-29 15:05:20]
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:20 pm

Chinese tourists, of course. When their own vice premier saw fit to admonish them on embarrassing the nation while travelling...

Personally I've never taken anything from the flights I took, probably because I don't collect such souvenirs. Certain things I can see people taking and be considered "okay" like barf bags, but non-disposable cutlery?...

Maybe in the future China would have mandatory etiquette training class for tour groups prior to them leaving. Ha.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 23):

I was on one of the last revenue BA Concorde flights and was packing the Safety Briefing card into my carry-on as we pulled up to the LHR gate. Just then a friendly and apologetic voice gently, over the PA, urged us all NOT to take the Safety Briefing cards as they were running dangerously low on them.

I caved and left mine behind too.

Was that really 10 years ago? Hard to believe.[Edited 2013-08-29 15:05:20]

what else did you get away with from that flight ?  


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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting neutrino (Reply 5):
So who here have done it?

Oh yes, I have a tea spoon collection, and a couple of blankets somewhere.

I also have three QF pillows on my bed (they are unbranded!)

Quoting raffik (Reply 9):
how many airlines actually use silver cutlery?

Outside of Europe and North America, almost all of them AFAIK
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:42 pm

As a flyer of varous US based airlines......

What are you people talking about? Silverware on an airliner? Whatever for?

You don't need a knife and fork to eat five peanuts.

Or Pretzels in this time of peanut allergies.

I can't imagine finding any use for the disposable dryer-lint 'blankets' passed out on planes... those that still have them.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:01 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 9):
I have a few nice sets of cutlery but not silver.. how many airlines actually use silver cutlery? It's extremely expensive!

For many years CP Air used silver-plated cutlery, not stainless steel, even in Y class, and I expect some was stolen, along with some of the Japanese Noritake chinaware, also used in Y class.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 25):
what else did you get away with from that flight ?

Nothing worth mentioning really...except a few pictures and good times. Most of the stuff was of the generic BA variety.

Does anyone remember those little bars of soap from the lav soap dispenser? The ones wrapped in paper with the airline logo? I collected them for years in the 70s. Iran Air was my favorite.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:39 pm

Quoting CdnCactus (Reply 24):
Maybe in the future China would have mandatory etiquette training class for tour groups prior to them leaving. Ha.

Here is the latest attempt

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ists-bad-manners-is-harming-china/

Apparently they are trying since 2006, no luck

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/may/06/china.travelnews

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 21):
30 is excessive

If it is a group of 30 pax, fair game. Singapore being a City country, SQ has to attract Chinese customers to be success story.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:55 pm

In charter it's not unusual to receive catering on the branded china of the dominant carrier of the airport we're at. The problem is what to do with the items at the next station, particularly if it is not served by said carrier. I asked about this one time of one of our handlers. He said that the price of the china/cutlery/etc. was built into the catering costs and it was expected that it would be discarded or taken, but that it would certainly not be returned. Consequently I know many people in this business with china from the likes of SAS, Turkish, Emirates and Icelandair, to name a few.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:41 am

I took my first airline flight in 1953 (Pioneer Airlines DC-3) and, frankly, I now wish I had looted the hell out of every airplane I flew on during those early years.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting neutrino (Reply 5):
However, I do draw the line at safety cards.

That's where I start!

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 25):
what else did you get away with from that flight ?

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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
Japanese Noritake chinaware, also used in Y class

That is like the Royal Doulton china used in Wardair's Y class service. It is not uncommon to see the WD china on eBay, even the little salt and pepper shakers ... also Royal Doulton, also Y class! At the time, AC was using Wedgewood, but only in F and J.

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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:48 am

I'm definitely not the most innocent person on this topic, having taken silverware from nearly 20 airlines!
But 30 is, simply, 29 too many!  

[Edited 2013-08-29 19:48:55]
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:52 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 33):

Agreed! Although I did feel a little guilty about swiping the card off a DL DC-9-50 this past June...ALMOST thought about replacing it with the one from the MD90 I'd just gotten off of.  
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:55 am

Quoting cschleic (Reply 22):

When the Museum of Flight here in Seattle received their Concord we non-rev'd to NY most of the BA folks that flew in it. BA had a company wide lottery for their staff to decide who could go on the ferry trip.

They literally pilfered anything and everything on that plane that wasn't attached to the fuselage. Pillows, blankets, emergency cards, sick bags, silverware, etc. I saw a lot of it when they left. They were pretty proud of their scavengering.

Maybe international blankets are better but I can't imagine ever taking one off a domestic flight. I do have a set or two of F class NW silverware though.

[Edited 2013-08-29 19:57:34]
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:13 am

Quoting ual747den (Reply 10):
I have boxes of cups and the Biscotti cookies from ExpressJet's branded airline....

Boxes and Biscotti have the same exact flavor!! I can't believe people actually eat those cookies!! Never took any silverware but I do take the safety card from the seat back pocket.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:20 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 37):
When the Museum of Flight here in Seattle received their Concord we non-rev'd to NY most of the BA folks that flew in it. BA had a company wide lottery for their staff to decide who could go on the ferry trip.

They literally pilfered anything and everything on that plane that wasn't attached to the fuselage. Pillows, blankets, emergency cards

G-BOAG. The very same Concorde I was speaking about in reply 23.

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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:37 am

So should I return the blanket I "borrowed" from CO about four years ago?
 
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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:05 am

There may or may not have been a few spoons from NWA that may or may not have fallen into my backpack during one of my many trips with them back in the day.
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RE: Airlines And Pilfered Silverware

Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:41 am

I've got some Emirates cutlery and a British Airways Club World blanket that are all on permanent loan.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
I also have three QF pillows on my bed (they are unbranded!)

If it's branded then it's up for grabs other wise should be left behind  

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