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UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:11 pm

So far we have the following either active or planned UA 787 routes:

LAX-
NRT, PVG

SEA-
NRT

DEN-
NRT

SFO-
KIX, CTU

IAH-
LOS

How many frames are required to support those flights? All 11 of the original CO 787-8 order should be delivered by Summer '14. The 787-9s start delivery in 2015, additional 787-8s (sUA order) starting in 2016 and the 787-10s starting in 2017.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:32 pm

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
So far we have the following either active or planned UA 787 routes:

UA is really proving two of the primary expected uses of the 787: (1) Hub to/from second tier city and, (2) Asia-North America routes.

Makes sense because they have ANA with 787s in that region which aids in maintenance if necessary.

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
787-10s starting in 2017.

That sounds optimistic. 2018 is what I have read.

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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:35 pm

Any domestic 787 routings planned?
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:23 pm

A theoretical routing for next summer as of now could be:

IAH-DEN-NRT-SEA-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX-NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS-IAH-SFO-KIX-SFO-CTU-SFO-IAH

By my count this should require 10 787s which I believe is how many they'll have by next summer. So this is probably gonna be it for 787 routes next summer unless something changes.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 2):
Any domestic 787 routings planned?

A 787 would have to placed on the IAH-SFO_IAH route that would be the only way for UA to route the 787 to/from IAH which is the for now is the sole 787's home base.

I just wish we knew the total number of 787's UA will have on hand once SFO-KIX and SFO-CTU flights go live with the 787.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:34 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 4):
I just wish we knew the total number of 787's UA will have on hand once SFO-KIX and SFO-CTU flights go live with the 787.

They already have 7. One more rolled off FAL a couple weeks ago but has not flown yet and on more will enter FAL by December. They are scheduled to have 8 this year but that will be 9 by early next year. The thread starter says they will have 11 by summer and that sounds very reasonable.

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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:58 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 1):

UA is really proving two of the primary expected uses of the 787: (1) Hub to/from second tier city and, (2) Asia-North America routes.

I wonder what this might say about SEA's potential as a DL Asia hub, since DL has zero 787's.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:23 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 3):
A theoretical routing for next summer as of now could be:

IAH-DEN-NRT-SEA-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX-NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS-IAH-SFO-KIX-SFO-CTU-SFO-IAH

By my count this should require 10 787s which I believe is how many they'll have by next summer. So this is probably gonna be it for 787 routes next summer unless something changes.

I count 10 as well, but am counting this way realizing there will be swaps at SFO, LAX and IAH. Assume a morning IAH-SFO and pm SFO-IAH added. Pretty sure this would need 11 units to provide a spare.

1.) SFO-CTU (3 days a week, one day sits in SFO all day)
2.) NRT-SEA
3.) SFO-KIX
4, 5 & 6.) LAX-NRT/PVG (LAX ground time 1650 to next day at 1120 - could be an IAH turn added)
7 & 8.) IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH
9 & 10.) IAH-SFO-IAH-LOS-IAH (2 days aircraft sits in IAH as IAH-LOS 5/week)

This doesn't give much down time.
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IAH 14 hours daily RON
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LOS 8 hours 5 days a week
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 6):
I wonder what this might say about SEA's potential as a DL Asia hub, since DL has zero 787's.

DL doesn't seem to see that as a problem?
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:54 am

Hey, when do people think ORD, EWR, IAD, and who knows, maybe CLE someday will see the 787s return and what routes?
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:09 am

Quoting ORD Boy 2 (Reply 9):

Prolly soon, I am currently waiting to see if EWR and IAH get some new 787 routes.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 3):

IAH-DEN-NRT-SEA-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX-NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS-IAH-SFO-KIX-SFO-CTU-SFO-IAH

Seems like a west coast crew base could be in the offing. LAX or SFO, maybe...?
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 6):
I wonder what this might say about SEA's potential as a DL Asia hub, since DL has zero 787's.

I was wondering the same today, but I guess the advantage that SEA has is that those routes are within the range of the 767 which means that DL has less need for the 787 @ SEA than UA does @ SFO/LAX/DEN.

All that said, from an outsiders perspective, if DL is serious about increasing NRT overflights and penetrating Asia deeper from the Lower 48 then the 787 would seem like the obvious bit of kit to have.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:08 am

Are they switching LAX-HND to NRT? I guess I missed that announcement...

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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting Scooter (Reply 13):

??? United never operated LAX-HND. ANA however does...

A tad off topic, but I tried to find the CTU/IND announcement on FlySFO.com and was greeted with a completely redesigned website. Interesting day for SFO....
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:37 am

How about LAX-GIG ???
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:37 am

Currently there are 7 aircrafts in service:
> LAX-NRT-LAX-PVG-LAX requires 3 aircrafts
> IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-IAH-LOS-IAH requires 3 aircrafts
> 1 aircraft currently acting as a "spare"
(note there are swaps happening in NRT on inbound/outbound frames from LAX/DEN)

N27908 will be delivered in October and be placed on SEA-NRT-SEA effective Nov 5 which requires 1 aircraft (with swaps in NRT if/when needed) therefore also leaving 1 aircraft as a "spare".

N26909 will be delivered in December with no route announced for January as of yet (keep an eye out for this one).

N26910 will be delivered in March 2014 and be placed on a IAH-SFO-KIX-SFO-IAH rotation that will require 2 aircraft. The unknown is whether the 2nd aircraft will be current "spare" one, N26909 or whether one of the current routes will be dropped.

Aircraft #11 (registration TBD) will happen in Q2 2014 and be used on the SFO-CTU route in a pattern with KIX and domestic flights to/from IAH.

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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:48 am

Why no more flights on the IAH-LHR route?
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:54 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 16):
N27908 will be delivered in October and be placed on SEA-NRT-SEA effective Nov 5 which requires 1 aircraft (with swaps in NRT if/when needed) therefore also leaving 1 aircraft as a "spare".

N26909 will be delivered in December with no route announced for January as of yet (keep an eye out for this one).

N26910 will be delivered in March 2014 and be placed on a IAH-SFO-KIX-SFO-IAH rotation that will require 2 aircraft. The unknown is whether the 2nd aircraft will be current "spare" one, N26909 or whether one of the current routes will be dropped.

Aircraft #11 (registration TBD) will happen in Q2 2014 and be used on the SFO-CTU route in a pattern with KIX and domestic flights to/from IAH.

The same aircraft aren't going to be used on the same routes everyday they will be routed throughout the system. So 908 isn't gonna do SEA - NRT - SEA all the time nor is 910 gonna do IAH - SFO - KIX - SFO - IAH all the time.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:54 pm

Quoting mozart (Reply 17):
Why no more flights on the IAH-LHR route?

It's a waste of the 787's range capabilities. UA has perfectly good 763s that have the range to do IAH-LHR, which is not a long and thin route.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:30 pm

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
The 787-9s start delivery in 2015

Do you have a source for this? I've heard next year.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 2):
Any domestic 787 routings planned?

IAH-DEN-IAH is a current route to enable the DEN-NRT route. Will now see a IAH-SFO-IAH route to enable the SFO-Asia routes
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class="quote" target="_blank">ORD Boy 2 (Reply 9):

UA next year will have what, like 11 787 frames total? That's not nearly enough to go around for the other hubs to see them. Although ORD fans will have the 744 back, so there's that.

Seems that EWR will continue to see a lot of 767 and 757 TATL traffic. Other than the occasional turn to IAH, I don't foresee any 787 routes coming online there until the large variants are delivered.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:01 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 24):

I see, until they have plenty of 787s, it could be a wait for new routes.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):
Do you have a source for this? I've heard next year.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 24):
I don't foresee any 787 routes coming online there until the large variants are delivered.

This is a rough schedule, based on a previous article I read in Airways (right before the new updated order with the 10s were announced)

The last of the 11 sCO 787-8s will be delievered in 2014
The 787-9s will start delivery in 2015 (perhaps late '14) not sure
The next batch of 787-8s from the sUA order in 2016
The 787-10 starting in 2018
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 5):
They already have 7. One more rolled off FAL a couple weeks ago but has not flown yet and on more will enter FAL by December. They are scheduled to have 8 this year but that will be 9 by early next year. The thread starter says they will have 11 by summer and that sounds very reasonable.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
The 787-9s will start delivery in 2015 (perhaps late '14) not sure

A bit off topic if UA is now scheduled to take delivery of the 787-9's in 2015 is AA the North American launch customer for the 787-9? I ask because there are conflicting reports online that suggest that UA might take delivery of a 787-9 late in 2014 which is why my post up above asked if any one new for sure how many 787's UA is scheduled to take delivery of in 2014 if it is only 8's or perhaps some 9's as well?
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:42 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
This doesn't give much down time.

I would be really concerned about that. I have heard from UA employees that 787 dispatch reliability has not been too good so far and any flight to China faces ATC problems from their military so the ripple effect could be disastrous if scheduled so tightly.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:30 pm

It looks like IAH-AMS is not going to happen soon or is it?
It was scheduled some time ago but never got started after the 787 groundings.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:07 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
The last of the 11 sCO 787-8s will be delievered in 2014
The 787-9s will start delivery in 2015 (perhaps late '14) not sure

Again, 11 isn't many at all. You have to figure that 5 762s are gone and that impacts the system as well.

It's been said the 787-9 won't arrive until 2018. I don't know where you got '15 from..
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:30 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 30):

I don't believe 2018 on the -9s. No info otherwise but that does not sound right.

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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:54 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):

Another thread confirms 2017, but 2015? That can't be right.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:06 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 32):
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):

Another thread confirms 2017, but 2015? That can't be right.

Should be 2014 IIRC....there was a delivery schedule posted on here at one point and I'm about 95% certain that's what it said. 787-10s come online in 2018...perhaps that's what you are thinking of.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting amax1977 (Reply 15):

Would be nice to see more UA metal at GIG, but I would bet on EWR non-stop to Rio first! With the 10 or 11 787's by early 2014, will that free up any 767's? Or are 787's replacing more 777 routes?
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:31 am

I found the Airways article from this past April:

787-9 deliveries start in 2015, they should have all 24 in the fleet by 2018 when the 787-10 deliveries start.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 29):
It looks like IAH-AMS is not going to happen soon or is it?
It was scheduled some time ago but never got started after the 787 groundings.

If United doesn't downgauge this route to a 788, it is because is performing well, and it is filling the cabin and the belly. So I guess they wont change it to a 788
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:37 pm

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
If United doesn't downgauge this route to a 788, it is because is performing well, and it is filling the cabin and the belly. So I guess they wont change it to a 788

I think it was presented as an upgrade (for the business traveller) and not a downgauge.
 
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:01 pm

Quoting hooverman (Reply 35):
think it was presented as an upgrade (for the business traveller) and not a downgauge.

Well, both aircraft have the same BusinessFirst seats, and the same Eco, and Eco+. I don't see this change as an upgrade in service.
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RE: UA 2014 787 Routes

Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 36):
Well, both aircraft have the same BusinessFirst seats, and the same Eco, and Eco+. I don't see this change as an upgrade in service.

Maybe, at the time, it was still good publicity to be the first B787 operator into an airport.
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