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AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 2:20 pm

Air France operates both 777-200's and A340-300's. These aircraft have near identical capacities, and identical range. I know that AF bought a large number of A340's when they were govt. owned (don't start an A vs. B war), and then they placed an order for 777's a few years later. My question is, what makes them choose an A340 over a 777 or vice-versa?
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 2:46 pm

I think AF bought A340 was just because Airbus is alo French.

But it's interesting that they didn't bought A340-500/600, instead, they bought 10 B777-300ER in early October.
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 7:11 pm

Air France uses the B777 on its high capacity routes where the A340 is not bigh enough. Remember the B777 can carry some more pax then the A340... They are not completely complementary...
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 8:20 pm

I know that AF ordered the 777-200ER as a 747-100 and 200 combi replacement, and the -300ERs they ordered are a 742 replacement. To replace the A310 and 763 they have ordered the A332.
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 8:27 pm

Agree with SNPilot: 340-200/300 are a not so similar to 777s.
777-200 seem to replace the old 747 classic: I guess AF had a "777 Best Of Menu" obtaining a nice price on the 777-300s. Adding 777s orders roughly equals 747 classics that have to be retired.
777 are carying more pax than the 340s, and also have more high yield passengers seats.

And I don't think 340-600s would be available as early as 777-300 ! These latter will be quite close...

Too bad that AF doesn't order the 346 ...
Anyway wait and see how the A3XX will be fitted !

Rds.
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 8:50 pm

Air France did not order 340-600, because of the engine.
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 8:59 pm

L'Espace,
Where did you got this specific info. ?

Anyway it makes sence since engines account for a large part of an aircraft (25% ??) value.

Thanks and rds
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:09 pm

it was because of the engine type
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:31 am

Our A340's have the following configuration, 6P 42J 204Y while our 777 are equipped with 12P 26J and 202Y.

The A340 is used on long-haul thin routes that doesn't require the high-yeld capacity that the 777 has. The 777's are used on strong high-yeld routes such as SIN, GRU, LAX, LAD, EZE or JFK.

hope it helps,

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RE: AF A340's/777's

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:48 am

AF Cabin Crew, you mean there is 56 businness seat, not 26 !  
 
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RE: AF A340's/777's

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:12 am

You are right l'espace 180 !

56 l'Espace Affaires seats on the 777 !

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RE: AF A340's/777's

Thu Nov 02, 2000 7:49 pm

Hello,

The exclusivity of Rolls-Royce on the A340-500/-600 was one of the trouble met by Air France, as the airline operates a fleet mainly consisting of of CFM International and General Electric products. Only exceptions are the 737-200s (the fleet has much narrowed-down and will be completely phased out soon), the Concordes (Sencma-Rolls Royce) and the few PW-powered 767s (soon to be phased out as well).

Value and maintenance costs don´t account for the same part of the total. But still engine maintenance is one of the main DOCs.

There are quite many factors to take into account when you order 10 aircraft and take 10 options. The powerplant one is one of them.

AF Cabin Crew explained well the reason why both A340-300s and 777-200ERs are operated in the fleet.

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Alain Mengus

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