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Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:08 am

It appears that an airline has ordered seven 777Ws in late August; anyone know/suspect which carrier this might be?

I'm trying to think of the likely carriers, but there are a few possibilities out there:

EVA?
China Airlines
CASC (Chinese carriers)
Korean
Asiana
Emirates
Qatar
Etihad
Saudia
BA
Lufthansa Group
Turkish
SIA
Cathay

What other carriers are possibilities? I doubt if it would be American, but not impossible. Delta is a possibility, but have recently ordered 10 A330s; that's not mutually exclusive, of course, but would they not have announced it at the same time?
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:11 am

You forgot one.....

DL


Might be a nice addition to their 320/333 order.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:12 am

AA is also a possibility.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:15 am

Could it be VA exercising their options? Their LAX flights are often full.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:20 am

QR had 7 options from the Paris Airshow.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
You forgot one.....

DL


Might be a nice addition to their 320/333 order.

I think that was mentioned at the end of the post. Doubt it will happen, though.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
EVA?

Maybe.

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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:39 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
You forgot one.....

DL


Might be a nice addition to their 320/333 order.

Definitely not DELTA. Air Canada already getting 5.. I'm thinking Eva or PR
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:55 am

Well I'd say if AA likes its current fleet of 77Ws they may want more,

BA probably wants more to replace the 744

OZ needs one to replace the 772 lost at SFO (lol)

It could be anyone really. The 77W is a lucrative product.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:06 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 4):
QR had 7 options from the Paris Airshow.

Interesting. That would certainly make sense.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
OZ needs one to replace the 772 lost at SFO (lol)

Yes, lol.  

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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:21 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Delta is a possibility, but have recently ordered 10 A330s; that's not mutually exclusive, of course, but would they not have announced it at the same time?

Not necessarily, if the press release wasn't agreed with Boeing at the same time. In any case, as much as I'd like to see it be DL, I agree with everyone else who says it probably won't be :-/
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:36 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
OZ needs one to replace the 772 lost at SFO (lol)

The LOL is inappropriate.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:44 am

It would be great to see AA pick up another handful. It seems the AA really likes them. Has AA taken delivery of all its 77Ws? Could it use 7 more?
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:46 am

LAN maybe? They already have 77Fs in their fleet so 77Ws could be integrated in without too much difficulty. On the other hand the LATAM group has A350s on order through TAM, so maybe not.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
OZ needs one to replace the 772 lost at SFO

Given that:
Asiana don't have any 77Ws in their fleet (nor on order),
Asiana's current 777s have P&W engines (not GEs),
and that Asiana has 30 Airbus A350s on order, I would suggest that the chance of them adding a 77W subfleet (of either one or seven aircraft) is reasonably small. I would love to be proven wrong however.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:52 am

My guess is QR. they have the 7 options and they said they will exercise them. Generally it's top up orders that are booked but not publicized vs new customers and orders.

QR keeps announcing new routes and appear to need aircraft.

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[Edited 2013-09-05 19:03:38]
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:59 am

Per Delta. Boeing did pitch them the 777-300ER in their RFP for the widebody order announced the other day, but DL chose the Airbus A330-300 so it cannot be DL.

Assuming it is one customer, it's most likely QR or EK to be publicly acknowledged at the Dubai Air Show.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:06 am

Quoting aaexecplat (Reply 2):
AA is also a possibility.

AA isn't placing any secret orders while still operating under bankruptcy protection.
That order would have to have been proposed and approved in court.

Furthermore, given the uncertainty of the merger it would not be very responsible for AA to place an order for aircraft at this time even if they had the ability to do so.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:14 am

Qantas is finally getting 777s   
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:20 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16):
Qantas is finally getting 777s  

Only if those orders will be converted to 777X's at Dubai.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:35 am

As tired as some of BA's 744's look, I wish they'd pickup some more 77W's to hasten the 744 replacement.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 12):
LAN maybe? They already have 77Fs in their fleet so 77Ws could be integrated in without too much difficulty. On the other hand the LATAM group has A350s on order through TAM, so maybe not.

Are you aware that TAM has 10 77W in fleet?
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16):
Qantas is finally getting 777s

Did hell freeze over?   

I nmy opinion this order is either a Middle Eastern carrier or a Chinese carrier. My guess would be EY, as they have 7 A346 at the moment, and everyone but LH is dumping theirs.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:11 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 15):

AA isn't placing any secret orders while still operating under bankruptcy protection.
That order would have to have been proposed and approved in court.

I don't think that is entirely true.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:57 am

EVA Airways to be delivered from June 2014.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 19):
Are you aware that TAM has 10 77W in fleet?

I'm aware TAM operates them, though thought it was only five or six. The largest aircraft in LAN's order book is the 787-9 which may or may not be appropriate depending on their future growth forecasts. I'm just speculating anyway.  Smile

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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:47 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 11):
Has AA taken delivery of all its 77Ws?

Not yet. They've received 9 so far, with 11 more on the way.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:46 am

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 21):
I don't think that is entirely true.

It is entirely true.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:16 am

Hi !

Air China is another possibility; they already have 15 with 1 more to be delivered any day and four more on order.

I think top candidates for this order are QR, BA, CA and CI.

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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:25 am

It could just as easily be a leasing company, not an airline, that has ordered them.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
BA probably wants more to replace the 744

Highly unlikely, BA have only ever regarded the 77W as an interim solution to their capacity problems, hence the drip feed of small orders/leases. Their fleet under present planning will only reach 7 spread over around three orders.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:34 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 28):
Their fleet under present planning will only reach 7 spread over around three orders.

They've already got six with one painted and five more on the way I believe, total will be twelve.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Lufthansa Group

Don´t know about this one. Lufthansa said that they will announce their widebody order in a few weeks and the 777 at least the 777X will likely be a part of that order but 7 aircraft seem not to be enough for LH even as an interim lift.

Maybe a Middle East carrier and an order that will be announced at the Dubai Air Show although 7 seem a bit small of a number for Emirates maybe Qatar or Etihad
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:44 am

I guess its EK or SQ to replace early-built 77Ws. Its the right time now for that, EK already did that before, and SQ is due to do so to replace some older ones in the second half of the decade.

Quoting coolfish1103 (Reply 22):
EVA Airways to be delivered from June 2014.

Or that.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:47 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Saudia

Not needed. Next widebody order should likely be 777X.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Lufthansa Group

No. They have ordered some for Swiss and that´ll be the first and last ones. If any 777s in the furture, then definitely the 777X.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Cathay

They still have many on order. very unlikely.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Korean

Havent they just ordered some more large widebodies?
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:47 am

Quoting columba (Reply 30):
Maybe a Middle East carrier and an order that will be announced at the Dubai Air Show although 7 seem a bit small of a number for Emirates maybe Qatar or Etihad

My guess would be QR - the number's right and they have a history of booking their Boeing orders and announcing them later.

Quoting na (Reply 31):
Its the right time now for that, EK already did that before, and SQ is due to do so to replace some older ones in the second half of the decade.

I'd be a little surprised to see EK do that, and with such a small order! I would expect them to announce a large 77X order and run the 77Ws a bit longer.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 33):
I'd be a little surprised to see EK do that, and with such a small order! I would expect them to announce a large 77X order and run the 77Ws a bit longer.

Already last year EK have ordered additional 77W which are slated to replace older 77Ws from 2016 onwards. I agree that the order size though is rather small, too small for EK to make sense to hide.

There could also be a lessor behind the order though though the risk is now quite high that after the introduction of A350-1000 and 777X the 77W value might quickly and rapidly fall and the abundance of used planes in the 2020s might no be able to be swallowed by the market.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 13):
My guess is QR. they have the 7 options and they said they will exercise them. Generally it's top up orders that are booked but not publicized vs new customers and orders.

QR keeps announcing new routes and appear to need aircraft.

That would be my guess as well. QR are a very fast growing airline at present, so it would not surprise me to see them order a few more 77Ws.

Quoting na (Reply 31):
I guess its EK or SQ to replace early-built 77Ws. Its the right time now for that

Way too early for that. Given both airlines' 12 year aircraft replacement cycle, EK and SQ aren't due to replace their earliest 77Ws until 2017 and 2018 respectively.

Quoting na (Reply 32):
No. They have ordered some for Swiss and that´ll be the first and last ones. If any 777s in the furture, then definitely the 777X.

OS is a possibility.

Quoting na (Reply 32):
They still have many on order. very unlikely.

Or so you hope ...  Yeah sure

Given that they have recently said that they do not see a need for VLAs, it is indeed quite possible that they order some more 77Ws as the airline and route network grows.

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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
OZ needs one to replace the 772 lost at SFO (lol)

They had a new 772ER delivered (HL8284) shortly after the accident at SFO. It also seems OZ is putting most if not all their new eggs in the airbus basket.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:11 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Assuming it is one customer, it's most likely QR or EK to be publicly acknowledged at the Dubai Air Show.

I agree, most likely QR. 7 seems rather small for EK.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:12 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 35):
Way too early for that. Given both airlines' 12 year aircraft replacement cycle, EK and SQ aren't due to replace their earliest 77Ws until 2017 and 2018 respectively.

You should know better. Again, EK has already ordered 77Ws which were publicly announced as replacements. And that was last year!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 35):
That would be my guess as well. QR are a very fast growing airline at present, so it would not surprise me to see them order a few more 77Ws.

Possible, yes.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 35):
OS is a possibility.

Too many, too big. They are said to be getting secondhand 77Es instead.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting na (Reply 34):
Already last year EK have ordered additional 77W which are slated to replace older 77Ws from 2016 onwards.

Let's wait and see what they will really do. EK still operates the 777-200 non-ERs...haven't those been scheduled for retirement for quite some time?

Quoting na (Reply 34):
There could also be a lessor behind the order though though the risk is now quite high that after the introduction of A350-1000 and 777X the 77W value might quickly and rapidly fall and the abundance of used planes in the 2020s might no be able to be swallowed by the market.

Reminds me of the talk that the A330 would be dead after the 787's introduction...


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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):

Not likely Korean, since they announced orders for 6 77Ws along with 5 748is in June but yet to be finalized.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 13):
My guess is QR. they have the 7 options and they said they will exercise them. Generally it's top up orders that are booked but not publicized vs new customers and orders.

QR keeps announcing new routes and appear to need aircraft.

I agree with your logic and arguments, but why would QR book this as an UFO, when they publicly announced their options?
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:20 am

Quoting na (Reply 34):
Already last year EK have ordered additional 77W which are slated to replace older 77Ws from 2016 onwards.

Emirates last 777 order was nearly two years ago.   
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:32 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Already last year EK have ordered additional 77W which are slated to replace older 77Ws from 2016 onwards.

Emirates last 777 order was nearly two years ago.  

I'd be surprised if it were EK; don't forget that the Dubai air show is later this year; EK is never shy about its orders and would certainly want to make a big bang at its home air show, and we can expect the 777X launch this year.

Of all the rationales I've seen above, QR and BR seem most likely. But hopefully we won't have long to wait.

One more I forgot to mention: AF? They are bleeding red ink, but they do have 744s and older (indeed all!?) A340s to replace and they do seem to like 777s.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:34 am

It's a small order for another 2. NZ? I reckon AA.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:36 am

Quoting na (Reply 38):
You should know better. Again, EK has already ordered 77Ws which were publicly announced as replacements. And that was last year!

Link?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 39):
Reminds me of the talk that the A330 would be dead after the 787's introduction...

  

Just as the A330 is thriving post 787 EIS, so too will the 77W continue to log sales after the A350's EIS.
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Assuming it is one customer, it's most likely QR or EK to be publicly acknowledged at the Dubai Air Show.

That would be my bet on these 7 B77W's as well.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 20):
Did hell freeze over?  

 
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:53 am

Quoting AA7295 (Reply 3):
Could it be VA exercising their options? Their LAX flights are often full.

I don't think that many new 77Ws is the right fit for VA. They need some 772s to expand better and launch more new routes, but that's a discussion for a different thread

Quoting TC957 (Reply 27):
It could just as easily be a leasing company, not an airline, that has ordered them.

What I'm thinking also. Wait till they have the confirmed customers before announcing
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:41 pm

Well its not CI as they dont do unidentified orders and the outstanding options they have are either 6 (if you believe their annual financial report) or 4 if you believe Boeings press release when they ordered 6 last year.
 
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RE: Unidentified 77W Order, August 26

Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:12 pm

Could it be PAL? Of the 100 refleeting program 65 of which went to airbus already, the airline mentioned it was deliberating on the A350 B787 and the B777x which they were planning to acquire 20 of the latter.

They have decommissioned one B744 already leaving them with 4 B744. Their B777 is at 5 with the 6th arriving this november.

They have acquired 4 A340s from Iberia and another 4 is on its way to be finalized if I am not mistaken.

They were just granted 14x to Milan and Rome. With London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt being worked out and all targeted to be serve daily. An augmentation of 7 B777 would not be far fetched right? ")

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