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Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 9:26 pm

I have heard that air france has intent to buy 10 330-300, in addition to the comfirmed order of 4 330-200.
Did you heard anithing about that ?
This order is subject to recomfirmation.
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:11 pm

Comments ?
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:16 pm

What engines are they going to use ?
Anyways, 4 A330-200 seems to little. I would like to see those 330s in Air France colours.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:18 pm


I have always wondered why AF didn't keep the A333s that Air Inter used to operate when they merged. These 3 aircraft are now in service with Sabena.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:29 pm

Hi ou salut,

There are several months that AF had ordered A330-200 because the B767 and A310 will be get out of the fleet because of their age and to have only 3 types of aircrafts for the long haul fleet as the A340 and A330 can be flown by the same crew.
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:54 pm

Why on airbus web site they say air france has ordered 8 330 in 2000? I think they have ordered the 200 last year, so they maybe have 8 comfirmed orders for 330-300, plus 2 options.Who knows when they will be deliverd ?
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 12:28 am

If AF does buy the A330-300, I think they'll primarily be used on routes to the Middle East and the northern third of the African continent and flights to Montreal, New York City, Boston and maybe Washington, DC.

I doubt that AF will buy more than ten planes because AF really likes the 777-200ER (and in a few years 777-300ER), which have proved to be excellent planes for longer routes that don't require a 747-400 (e.g., flights to some US cities, South America, many African destinations and some Asian destinations).
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:02 am

The eight 332s they have ordered are to be powered by GE CF6 80E-5 engines, so I guess that any 333s the airline might order will be simiarly equipped.
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:27 am

There is no confirmation or announcement, anywhere, about AF ordereing A330-300 aircraft; as stated above, there is an order for A330-200 that will replace the remaining A310 and B763 aircraft in the fleet - that order may have been 4 + 4 options which have now been confirmed; its possible a few more A332 aircraft will be needed at a later date, but first AF wants to accept its current order of A340-300E and 777-200/300er aircraft. The airline want to remain in the profit and does not want to over-order now, as many carriers did in the past. If the world economy dips, the airline must be prepared.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:55 am

 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 4:44 am

That order for 10 A333 was placed in 1987 by Air Inter. The order has been on the books ever since, but the aircraft will probably never be delivered.

Last year AF ordered 8 A332's and took options on 5 more. In addition it will lease 4 A332's from ILFC, with options to lease 2 more.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 4:56 am

So no 333 for air france ?
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 5:11 am

Afraid not, my dear friend...

(unless they decide to take them anyway, but I don't see that happening any time soon, as Airbus admitted just last year that the aircraft would probably never be built)
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 5:26 am

When will there be no more 310/763 in the fleet ? maybe not long after the 332 will be deliverd.
has anyone ever tryed to e-mail the airline for info of that type ? They always put a 'contact adress'.Do you think i could try to E-mail air france ?
my e-mail:jonathansky@chez.com
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 7:46 am

I will love to see Air France in A330s colors....
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 9:26 am

You mean : I will love to see 330's in air france's colors....
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 9:46 am

Air France does not understand the concept of fleet rationalization/fleet commonality. Until it does, AF's
operating costs will remain high and despite its turn
around into a profitable carrier, it will retain the old
vestiges of bloated, state-sponsored, inefficient air
line with mediocre service and labor/management
problems.

The ideal AF fleet should be A320 family jets for its
short- and medium haul (A319/A320/A321) needs,
B777-200/300, B747-400 for long-haul requirements
and ERJ's for short regional routes.

A340's, A333's, B767-300's, 737's, A310's, A300's,
B777, B747's, what a mess.....I would hate to look
at AF's maintenance costs....and what they are
doing to its bottom line.

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Mon Oct 30, 2000 11:42 am

Wouldn't the 764 be just as good for AF as the A332? It would have commonality with the 772. That's just my 2 cents.
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RE To ContinentalEWR

Wed Nov 01, 2000 3:37 am

ContinentalEWR,

I am sorry, but I do not agree at all with you. Actually, AF is standardizing its fleet by replacing the A310/B763 with new A332. At the same time they will start to phase out their 737. As a result there will remain the A32S narrow bodies, the A330/A340 family and the Boeing 747 and 777.

Please have in mind that all 32S share the same Type Rating and that narrow bodies and wide bodies offer Cross Crew Qualification which results in maximum commonality. Furthermore A32S and A340 dispose of CFM 56 engines; this, too, means decreasing maintenance costs.

In addition to that, AF does not operate any A300 and their regional jets and turboprops are operated by franchised airlines on behalf of AF in the latters colors and titles.

I admit that the choice of the B777 in addition to the A330/340 is a bit surprising concerning the issue of fleet standardization, but there are other airlines that have taken the same option and it is true that the B777 is a great aircraft, too.

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 3:42 am

Frequence plus rouge is right.
In long-haul fleet will also be the 3XX
 
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Coewr!

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:17 am

Air France has, today, in its fleet the following :
Concorde
747-200/300
747-400
777
767-300
737-200/300/500
A319/320/321
A340-300

In 2006 the Air France fleet will be :
Concorde
747-400
777
A318/319/320/321
A340-330

Five types of aircrafts in 6 years is not bad for an old vestige of an airline. Can you tell me how fast Continental renews its fleet ? It takes time and you must remember that the EU and French government forbid AF to buy any new airplanes until 1996/1997 due to the 20 billions FFR the french (and not european community !) gave to save Air France. It was only 4 years ago that Air France started to renew its fleet by placing orders for A340-330-320-321-319-318's and 777.
ContinentalEWR, I have seen you making useless comments on and on about any airline and every airline, Please get your facts right before you put your left and right foot in your mouth ! Thanks !

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:28 am

Bien dit, steward !  
the actual fleet has also A310
Air france will also in the future have A3XX, right ?
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:51 am

AF Cabin Crew,

Continental renewed its fleet pretty quickly and was in much more dire
financial condition when the most recent management team took over
in 1995.

Second, don't you dare suggest that I check my facts. Don't tell me
what to do. I am not one of your customers/passengers. Would not
want to be either.

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:15 am

COEWR,

I agree. AF is inconsistent in its customer service. Sometimes its good, even very good, but sometimes it plainly sucks. Just like everyone else I suppose.
CDG is a confusing place to go through and AF amounts to a bloated, state-
sponsored behemoth prone to strikes.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Continental revamped its fleet very fast
(in about 5 years) and has an efficient, streamlined one, once they get rid
of those DC10's!

 
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Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:24 am

ContinentalEWR,

Get off your high horses !

You were saying things, and I quote you :

"Air France does not understand the concept of fleet rationalization/fleet commonality."
->You saw my post about what our fleet will look like, we know what we are doing, we are just doing it at the right pace, we do not wish to run in front of the horses and fall should the world economy fall or Saddam Hussein invades an other country.

"Until it does, AF's
operating costs will remain high and despite its turn
around into a profitable carrier, it will retain the old
vestiges of bloated, state-sponsored, inefficient air
line with mediocre service and labor/management
problems. "
->So for you Air France's plan to have a single aisle Airbus fleet for its european destinations and 4 types for long-haul with the A340/330, B777-200/300, B747-400 and later the A3XX is not a rationalisation plan ?????
To go from 4 types of aircraft for the european-haul fleet to the ONE type with the A318/319/320/321, is that Air France showing a lack of interest in fleet commonality ???

"The ideal AF fleet should be A320 family jets for its
short- and medium haul (A319/A320/A321) needs,"
->WOW ! You have as much sense as our management !!! Did you send them a letter and advise them to order an A320 family fleet ????

"and ERJ's for short regional routes. "
-> We have a better idea than you !!! Lets not buy any airplane but franchise regional airline ! And then, Let's buy them all !!!!

"A340's, A333's, B767-300's, 737's, A310's, A300's,
B777, B747's, what a mess"
->First, Do check your facts, we DO NOT operate any A300's ! The A330's are here to replace the 310 and 767 and the 737's are going as soon as the new airbuses join the fleet !
Continental's fleet (from their website):
737-300/500
737-700/800
757
767-200
767-400
777-200
DC10-30
MD-80
ERJ
EMB120
ATR42
B1900
No Comments !

".....I would hate to look
at AF's maintenance costs....and what they are
doing to its bottom line. "
->You don't need to, Air France only services the Airplane of some of the top world's airlines and oh, yes is one of the few airlines to have received best maintenance certificate from Boeing Corp !

And one more thing, I do not tell my passengers what to do unless it is for an emergency ! I am truly proud of my airline and I work for it with passion. I serve every passenger, wether in First, Business or Economy the same way, with warmth, kindness, generosity and I give all of them as much time as I wish too. This is probably why my managers recognize me and call me by my first name.

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:47 am

Well good for you trolly dolly!

 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:48 am

Well good for you trolly dolly!

 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:49 am

Well good for you trolly dolly!

 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:57 am

First, it is Trolley Dolly,

Second, Can't back up any facts of yours or the stereotypes you have your head ?

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 5:57 am

Tu n'as rien compris AF Cabin Crew! Vraiment nulle. The Continental fleet is one of commonality (737's, 757's, 767's, 777's) with DC10's and DC9-80's being phased out.

As for maintenance costs, it is the cost AF must incur to repair, maintain its fleet. Its expenses are probably higher if the fleet isn't rationalized. It does
not mean they have poor maintenance. AF has a great safety record and an
enviable one too.

I'm too bored to continue....but don't write my comments off if you can't
understand them.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 6:09 am

The fact that they are all from Boeing is for you a good commonality ???
Good one ! The 737 has got as much commonality with the 777 and the A340. The only aircrafts that have commonality in there are the 767/757.
You don't even look at what you write.
At least we could rate our pilots Airbus only ! They could fly the A318/319/320/321/330/340 as the cockpit is the SAME ! There are only 2 types of engines the CFM and the GE. It is a very common fleet.
I understand what you write, not what's in your mind ContinentalEWR !

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 6:11 am

The fact that they are all from Boeing is for you a good commonality ???
Good one ! The 737 has got as much commonality with the 777 and the A340. The only aircrafts that have commonality in there are the 767/757.
You don't even look at what you write.
At least we could rate our pilots Airbus only ! They could fly the A318/319/320/321/330/340 as the cockpit is the SAME ! There are only 2 types of engines the CFM and the GE. It is a very common fleet.
I understand what you write, not what's in your mind ContinentalEWR !

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 6:17 am

So, you're turning this into an Airbus v. Boeing war AF Cabin Crew. Well, I hope I never encounter that level of professionalism and integrity at 35,000 feet. Why
don't you just stick to cross-checks and closing overheads.....Gosh, you're so annoying.

 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 6:38 am

I am not turning this to an A vs B war.
I am pointing the fact that we are building a commonality in our fleet. It is a well known fact that the Airbus airplanes apart for the A300 and A310 were designed to have common ratings for the pilots which would make big savings for the airlines.
ContinentalEWR is telling me that the Continental Airlines fleet has got commonality because it is all Boeing !
This is ridiculous ! An all Boeing fleet doesn't make a common fleet, it makes an all Boeing fleet !
Air France chose to have bothe Airbus and Boeing aircrafts flying its colours and I am very happy about it.
I adore the 777-200 we fly and enjoy the A320's cruising the European skies.

By the way, can you tell me what is unprofessional about my posts and where do I lack integrity ?
I do not work for Airbus nor Boeing and have only showed integrety towards my Airline.
Oh, by the way Skyliner777, coming from someone who joined 12 days ago and have posted such interesting subject as "!" on a title "Continental should sue Air France", that I am very glad the moderator erased, I do not take you seriously ! Simply a trouble maker!

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 7:17 am

Cat fight ! Cat fight !
My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 7:34 am

(continentalewr : it is not 'nulle', it is 'nul' ! So if you are gonna schow off with youre french, learn at least the difference between masculine and feminine !)
continentalEWR wrote:
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Continental revamped its fleet very fast
(in about 5 years) and has an efficient, streamlined one, once they get rid
of those DC10's!
===>>>This is very fast ? So air france rationalization is not going slower ! think with your head : The air france fleet rationalization started in 1997, so it started 3 years ago, so in 5 years, air france's fleet will be out of the plane that must go.Continental also still have a good fleet of DC-10 and MD-80 !
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Wed Nov 01, 2000 12:17 pm


But the continental fleet is still not totaly rationalized !
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Fri Nov 03, 2000 11:06 pm

Quelle polémique !!!

I think I mentioned the relevant facts within my post dated October 31st in quite an objective way.

Doesn't AF code-share with Continental on an important number of flights?! You should take that as an example !!

Regards

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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Fri Nov 03, 2000 11:26 pm

Back to the original issue: Has AF finally ordered some new A330-300, or not?

Any facts or rumours would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sat Nov 04, 2000 1:51 am

Gerardo, if you would have read all the reply, you would understand that air france will certainly not order 333, it was an order that air inter gave just before the merger between AF and air inter .
Aniway, they don't really need the 333, they already have the 343, which has same capacity and performance(not for range).


so the presents 310-763 routes will be 332 routes ?
 
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RE: Air France To Buy 10 A330-300

Sat Nov 04, 2000 4:02 am

Gerardo,

to make it clear: Juul was nearly right. AF ordered eight A332 earlier this year with options on a further five.

Concerning the A333 it was Air Inter that ordered 14 of the type, but took delivery of only four. This explains why there are still ten orders remaining.

Regards,

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