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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:18 pm

Hi All,

The previous thread became long so Part 20 is being created. Part 19 can be found here 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19 (by iowaman Aug 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting 7673mech:
I asked about the 4-4 at the end of the year and it was explained to me that the three -9's went exclusively down the surge line - so there would be less airplanes for PAE to deliver until early next year. Obviously this would be supplemented by planes from the EMC and possibly Charleston will actually delivery some.

So the 4s would be exclusive of EMC aircraft as well as Charleston aircraft. Well... right now, from the EMC, we have two CZ birds that should be flying anytime (LN43 and LN36), and one JAL bird (LN20) that is also about ready. After that, guess who... Air India! LN32 is ready, LN30 is just about ready, and LN28, LN26, and LN25 will be the next three birds ready after that. So it's probably out of Boeing's control how many EMC birds will actually be delivered this year.

[Edited 2013-09-07 12:14:05]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:58 pm

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 84 Aircraft to 14 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER
NH-22; JL-11; AI-8; QR-8; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; BY-4; LA-3; BA-2; CZ-3; DY-2; HU-2; AM-1

SEPTEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/3/2013 - BA #3

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 9/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 9/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 9/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 9/xx/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 9/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 104 - B-2737 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #6
L/N 107 - JA821A - 9/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 9/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD – 9/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 127 – N965AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 124 - N27908 - 9/xx/2013 - UA #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - x/xx/2013 – BI #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 125 – JA833J - 9/xx/2013 - JL #12 Awaiting first flight
L/N 130 – V8-DLB - x/xx/2013 – BI #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001)
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:17 pm

The tail fin of Norwegian EI-LNB (LN112) has been painted at Dublin Airport.


EI-LNB Boeing 787-8Q8 Norwegian Long Haul by elevationair ✈, on Flickr

The man on the fin is Thor Heyerdahl, here's a close-up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38016434@N05/9626431056/

LN112 was delivered without any paint art on the tail fin.


Norwegian EI-LNB Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:35 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
So the 4s would be exclusive of EMC aircraft

That's not what I said.
They won't be exclusive - 4 a month + EMC + CHS (if anything is ready).
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:36 am

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4):

I think you might have misinterpreted what he said.

After looking I can see why Novemeber and December might be low. There really aren't that many that will be done at that point. 2-3 for Charleston or EMC per month would be a great rate.

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:16 am

Quoting Tradewinds (Thread starter):

Noticed it as I drove by KOA today. I couldn't get close enough to catch the reg # but it was the Boeing white body/blue tail with "787" on it. Parked way down at the end of airport with all the private jets. Just curious if anyone knew what it was doing there. (Did a search of the forum but came up with nothing.)

This is in another forum, seen here: Boeing 787 In KOA? (by Tradewinds Sep 7 2013 in Civil Aviation) and I was wondering if anybody saw this plane leave BFI or arrive in KOA. Could Boeing be doing more testing on the 788? Or rather the engines? Just thought I'd ask.

EDIT: Already answered in this thread: Boeing 787 In KOA? (by Tradewinds Sep 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-09-08 00:32:04]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:39 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?

Im not sure if its actually painted on, it might just be a decal.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:09 pm

Paint or decal, I believe virginblue4's question is why EI-LNB received the art in Dublin while EI-LNA received it before delivery in Everett. I don't know.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:16 pm

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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:21 pm

ZA243 (LN 91, VT-ANO) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. It looks like this one may deliver tomorrow. I hope.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:59 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 8):
Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?

Im not sure if its actually painted on, it might just be a decal.

Paint or decal, putting it on the vertical stab and rudder after production requires a rebalance...it seems it would be better to do this at the factory, as the rudder only needs to be balanced once  
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 12):
Paint or decal, putting it on the vertical stab and rudder after production requires a rebalance...it seems it would be better to do this at the factory, as the rudder only needs to be balanced once

if an equal sized decal is placed on each side, there is no need.. do the faces on both sides face forward? if so no difference.. if one faces aft, possibly a difference.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
if an equal sized decal is placed on each side, there is no need.. do the faces on both sides face forward? if so no difference.. if one faces aft, possibly a difference.

The rudder is perhaps the most sensitive control surface as far as balancing goes. The rule of thumb is that anything that changes the weight of a control surface (paint included) requires a mechanic to rebalance the affected surface. This is why vertical stabs and rudders are often seen painted before anything else is on new production aircraft.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:42 pm

ZA540 on tap for a B-1 today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
The rudder is perhaps the most sensitive control surface as far as balancing goes.

Not as sensitive as urban myth says..
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 16):
Not as sensitive as urban myth says..

So what, you're like a WWII fighter pilot and affix a wad of chewing gum to the rudder before a flight as a good luck charm? 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:56 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
ZA540 on tap for a B-1 today:

Looks like the B-1 was not to be.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
ZA243 (LN 91, VT-ANO) is at the Charleston Delivery Center

So no delivery today... I hope this one doesn't turn into another VT-ANN.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:34 am

Any idea on when BA will receive its 4th 787? I'm scheduled to fly on their newest fleet and wonder what registration will carry me on my journey.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:18 am

Air India LN28 (VT-ANC) was moved from the paint hangar to the EMC tonight. Change incorporation should almost be finished.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/377307516448681984

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTx3L9_CIAAtUTE.jpg:large
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:14 am

ZB002 is in paint and was moved to the 40-26 building.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/377295100591607809

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTxr5RYCEAAHzZj.jpg:large
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:25 pm

ZA385 on a customer flight I believe:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE385
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
ZA385 on a customer flight I believe:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE385


Must have cancelled for today -- only shows the flight on the 7th (which was discussed in the previous thread).
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:12 pm

Our beloved ArkeFly will get three 787s, first delivery in May 2014.

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...Dreamliners_is_genoeg_voor_ArkeFly
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:36 am

I think in the previous thread it was suggested the JQ #1 might have its first flight on 10 September... is there any firm word on whether that's the case (or has already happened)?
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:25 am

It hasn't flown yet. It's a bit quiet in Everett.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:42 am

Meanwhile Hainan Airlines LN131 emerged from the final assembly line.


DSC_9691 by moonm, on Flickr


DSC_9564 by moonm, on Flickr

[Edited 2013-09-11 01:43:14]

[Edited 2013-09-11 01:52:34]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:42 am

Does this picture look like the 4 787-8s? I thought there was at least one 787-9 on each FAL at this point.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:49 am

Yes, but that picture dates from September 9 while ZB002 was moved to the 40-26 building on September 10 (after the roll out of HU LN131).

[Edited 2013-09-11 01:53:07]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:00 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

Meanwhile Hainan Airlines LN131 emerged

Oh great. At least this one has engines. Something tells me it will be a couple months before we see this one make any serious moves.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
Yes, but that picture dates from September 9 while ZB002 was moved to the 40-26 building on September 10

You must be right. The engines lines up with that thinking as well. Thanks.

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[Edited 2013-09-11 02:00:27]
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
At least this one has engines.

Oddly enough, the rudder is not fully painted like the previous HU birds. Here's LN79 for example:


ZA432 / LN79 for Hainan Airlines Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:07 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
Air India LN28 (VT-ANC) was moved from the paint hangar to the EMC tonight.

Alright, an update on the EMC, based on nyc777's table.

Inside
> Transaero Airlines LN11: Bay D
> Japan Airlines LN20: Bay C (repainted in the new JAL livery)
> Air India LN25: Bay A
> Air India LN26: Bay B
> Air India LN30: Bay AW (seen with engines)

Outside
> Transaero Airlines:LN14: Position E3
> Transaero Airlines LN22: Position E8
> Air India LN28: Position E4 (repainted)

LN28 is now probably waiting for a bay to become available for the last touches (as we have seen with LN20 and LN21). I think LN20 should roll out soon and LN30 will move to the paint hangar later this month.

There is a nice picture of LN30 in Bay AW here but beware: a part of the registration "ANC" is painted on the front landing gear which suggests it's VT-ANC (LN28), but it's LN30. For some reason, both LN30 (VT-ANE) and LN28 (VT-ANC) were painted with "ANC" markings on the front landing gear.

[Edited 2013-09-11 04:12:02]
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:23 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25):
Our beloved ArkeFly will get three 787s, first delivery in May 2014.

  Quicker than I thought, it feels they only just took over some of Thomsonfly's 763s... Good news though, I might even consider flying with Arkefly now. Hope they deploy them on the KTM route... Not very likely, I realise  
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:53 am

Trent-1000 package C engines for the 787-9 now certified by EASA: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...roves-trent-1000-for-787-9-390415/
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:55 am

One would think the FAA would certify them first.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:08 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 24):
Must have cancelled for today -- only shows the flight on the 7th (which was discussed in the previous thread).

Next try:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130911/1230Z/KCHS/KCHS
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
Next try:

ZA385 is in the air.

ZA539 (LAN) is also scheduled for a test flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130911/1315Z/KCHS/KMYR
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
ZA385 is in the air.


And back on the ground--that didn't last long.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:40 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 39):
And back on the ground--that didn't last long.

Weird profile; especially altitude. Pressurization problem?
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
Oddly enough, the rudder is not fully painted like the previous HU birds. Here's LN79 for example:

I think this proves or at least points to the 787 rudder balance issues are not as complex as previous models and the painting of just the buried surfaces simplifies the work done in the paint hanger by reducing the amount of masking r.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:43 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 40):
Weird profile; especially altitude. Pressurization problem?

It was supposed to be an hour flight.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 42):
It was supposed to be an hour flight.

Still a weird profile with a lot of flight time at or below 10,000 feet.
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 43):
Still a weird profile with a lot of flight time at or below 10,000 feet.

  
Might have just popped up to FL400 to check something from the previous flight and back down again but pressurization issues are a possibility. We'll have to wait for the next flight to get a better idea about whether these have been B or C flights.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 44):
We'll have to wait for the next flight to get a better idea about whether these have been B or C flights.

Allthings787 has it listed as "Ready For Delivery" with 5 test flights, but I believe that includes two ferry flights to/from FTW for paint. Maybe today's flight was the final B flight that proved the plane ready for C flight(s).
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 45):
Maybe today's flight was the final B flight that proved the plane ready for C flight(s).

We'll know in the next couple of days. My money says it's still got a flight (or two ) to go.
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:38 pm

Looks like BAB ZA540 (118) is giving it another try at a B-1 this afternoon:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540

And ANA ZA114 (107) is filed for an EWA flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE514
 
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RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:47 am

What do we make of this flight that happened yesterday?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE543
Is it a typo in the flight number (ie should have been BOE453, G-ZBJD first flight for BA) or a typo in aircraft type?
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