|Quoting mozart (Reply 14):|
By the way, who flies those planes? Garuda pilots or Air Austral pilots? I assume Hajj sees both dry and wet leases, no? Can any crew fly to Medinah, given that the city is closed to non-Muslims during Hajj (I believe)?
The previous lease was for non-Hajj and has both Garuda and Austral pilots (HB-IWC would know better), the Hajj lease is wet lease AMI+cockpit crew, so this time, it would be Austral pilots.
|Quoting mozart (Reply 14):|
However, if I were a pilot taxiing during a very busy Hajj week in the middle of the night at JED airport with all those hybrid liveried planes around me an ATC instruction "Follow the Garuda 777" I'd find it very helpful if that Garuda 777 would be easy to recognize as a Garuda 777. But I suppose pilots are given other cues.
I think all the pilots flying in and out of Jeddah, knows that a lot of the big jets there, aren't flying in the colours of the flight number... and as far as I know, they don't give "follow plane XXX" taxi clearances there.
|Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):|
Well clearly because they booked their own tickets to pick that particular airline and therefore want their livery. I mean, why would you do so through a tour group and have your airline chosen by someone else?
Hajj flights these planes cater for are NOT "book your own ticket" ones. They cater for the "save up for Hajj or declare (and get inspected you have adequate funds to pay for the Hajj), then apply for the Hajj, wait until your number comes up on the annual quota system, then gets asked to pay, go through "preparation training", get packed into 'embarkation points' and are only told you're leaving on Day X to JED
/Medinah, and back on day Y" from the airport nearest to your embarkation point (sometimes you also get a local charter to take you from nearest main airport to the nearest Hajj embarkation point)... then you just go... get bused around, stay in the approved accomodation (tents, some get hotels for some part of their Hajj), bused around, etc, then fly back, same procedure.
Here, you cannot officially accomplis the Hajj unless you do it through the government or approved tour operators. The Saudi government also don't want that. First, it's big money for them in terms of secondary business (the Saudi government aren't allowed to make money through the Hajj on a primary level of business), secondly, it's a way to prevent illegal immigration.
|Quoting na (Reply 30):|
Its not just about passengers, its also about corporate culture, corporate design, proudness. Garuda seems to lack all of that. They are negligant, that what this is telling me. Indonesian carriers dont have a good reputation, and for me its a sign of "Indonesion carriers are to bee avoided".
And yet Garuda continues to win awards (although I dunno how it could, but it's a bitter pill for even me to swallow...).
|Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 32):|
When a while ago airlines such as LOT and Norwegian made similar short term leases of some of the very same aircraft which are now deployed on the Garuda Hajj operation, why did you not make similar remarks? Surely these aircraft were not donned in anything remotely similar to the LOT or Norwegian paint schemes for the short stint either?
, does that make LOT and Norwegian European "carriers to be avoided"? Or are you just discriminating to the "banned country" without looking at the merits? And if you say Hi-Fly is to be avoided for supplying the aircraft to Norwegian and not bothered to even put up 'adequate' identification that it's flying for Norwegian, I guess that means Monarch, MyTravel, Thomson, etc, and even Qantas & KLM (for they've provided the Hajj aircraft in recent years), are to be avoided... nice logic there!