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Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:56 am

So Delta ordered 100 737-900ERs (first one has been completed) and they currently have 69 A320s. How many will be phased out? And will they be the leased ones?
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting tristan7977 (Thread starter):
So Delta ordered 100 737-900ERs (first one has been completed) and they currently have 69 A320s. How many will be phased out? And will they be the leased ones?

I believe they are phasing out the pre 1998 ones. So anything before 3250 or there abouts.
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:27 am

Delta has 41 A320s that were delivered from 1990-1993. IMO, the recent order for 30 A321s will likely be the replacements for these planes. 30 321s at 190 seats each is a total of 5,700 seats while 41 320s at 150 seats is 6,150 seats so it's a pretty even swap. If A321s are phased in as these 41 A320s are phased out, it would be easy from a crew training perspective as well with the total fleet going from 126 to 115. And before anyone tells me, I know that DL's fleet replacement strategy isn't an exact 1 for 1 process, but in general I believe the 321s will cover the 320s and the 739s will replace 757s and 763s.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:14 am

DL's investment in the Airbus interim service goal (ISG) program will allow the oldest 41 A320s to remain operational for another 4-7 years. These aircraft will not cycle-out but they will time-out in the way of high flight hours.

DL's semantics included the word "expand" in the press release, regarding the recent order. But anyone who can read between the lines will see the A321s are clearly intended as replacement for the 41 aging 320s.   
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:35 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
I believe the 321s will cover the 320s and the 739s will replace 757s and 763s.

The A321s and 739s are the replacement for all the types you listed. But yes there will be more 739s flying around in the DL system then A321s when all is said and done.
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:07 pm

The current retirement list stops at 2017. I don't recall seeing any A320 on that list. It was mostly DC9 and 757. The list is always changing so with this new order it could get updated soon.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting FL787 (Reply 2):
and the 739s will replace 757s and 763s.

So, maybe I am confused a bit early today...first question, How many 757's (non ex TWA) does DL have that are currently scheduled to be replaced by the 739's?
2. How can one compare the capabilities of a 763 to a 739? No containerized freight, range, and a host of other issues..so what is the real plan for the 767's at DL/ a few more of the A 330's (incremental replacement program?), 787's later? a mix of 773/ 787?

I'd appreciate a tad of clarity..just so I have it clear in my mind....Thanks!
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:52 pm

I think the confusion stems from the fact that DL keeps its retirement schedule very flexible and also that their replacement strategy is not a 1 for 1 replacement - both on aircraft count and on aircraft size.

DL's retirement strategy is to remove aircraft at the end of the economic life - which is typically when they reach a hours/cycle limit when they become due for the next maintenance cycle. Each maintenance cycle becomes increasinly more expensive.

The DC-9s are gone by early January 2014.

There are many of the 757s that are now approaching the next maintenance cycle at roughly 25-27 years old, which will be phased out on a regular basis, already starting now in 2013 and will extend over the next 3+ years.

The oldest A320s are approaching the end of their economic life, but aren't quite there yet. As said, they are still about 4-7 years out, and also depending on whatever extended life program support Airbus can provide that might make it economical to maintain and fly these older aircraft.

Some of the domestic 763s are approaching these limits too.

They have a lot of ability to move aircraft around to put the appropriate capacity on the routes that require it.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:05 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
2. How can one compare the capabilities of a 763 to a 739? No containerized freight, range, and a host of other issues..so what is the real plan for the 767's at DL/ a few more of the A 330's (incremental replacement program?), 787's later? a mix of 773/ 787?

When DL spoke of 739s replacing 763 at time of the order, it meant domestic-config, non-ER 763s, 16 in number IIRC.

I have doubts that we'll see any new widebodies in domestic configs for Delta. I think they'll just drop SLC-Hawaii service before they follow UA with a domestic F 'Hawaii special' widebody.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 6):
So, maybe I am confused a bit early today...first question, How many 757's (non ex TWA) does DL have that are currently scheduled to be replaced by the 739's?

When they come up for HMV5 they are being retired, some are also going out before that due to reaching the hard cycle limit on the airframe. These include the 5500 NW fleet and all the DL below ship 685. Some are already gone. I think there are also a few 767-300 on the list be none are leaving in the next few months.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 5):
The current retirement list stops at 2017. I don't recall seeing any A320 on that list.

Correct. There has not been any A320s on the retirement list.

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 9):
When they come up for HMV5 they are being retired

That is correct for the oldest 757s. DL has now stopped performing HMV4s on the 757, accelerating the retirements on the fleet. The last aircraft to get an HMV4 was ship 627 I believe.
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:50 pm

I was on N331NW back on Sept 8th and it really needed a refit/refurb.
 
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 1):
739s will replace 757s and 763s.

??   ??

I understand the 739ER is perfectly capable of replacing the 757; but there is at least a 50-70 seat difference between the 739 and the 763...
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RE: Delta: How Many "Older" A320 Being Phased Out?

Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 12):
I understand the 739ER is perfectly capable of replacing the 757; but there is at least a 50-70 seat difference between the 739 and the 763...

Delta will fly more 739s to replace 763s, or they'll offer fewer seats in the market. The potential for 739ERs to replace domestic 763s was outlined in DL's press release at time of the 739 order 24 months ago.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1428