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Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:32 pm

Well....it turns out that Mesa is going to be the operator of those 175s that United bought...plus the agreement also extends the CRJ-700 contract as well.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mesa-o...mbraer-175-aircraft-120000857.html

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RE: Mesa To Operate 170s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:34 pm

................175's you mean.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 170s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:41 pm

Copy that...thread is renamed accordingly.

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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:46 pm

Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...

I know there are multiple factors involved, but according to the DOT, Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present. YV 82.9%, OO 80.3%. (That is ALL of their flying, not just UA though)
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...

It will make it easier for US to place more E-175's at Mesa after the US/AA merger.

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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
I know there are multiple factors involved, but according to the DOT, Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present. YV 82.9%, OO 80.3%. (That is ALL of their flying, not just UA though)

However, Mesa only flies out of CLT, PHX, and HNL as hubs, right? Those aren't exactly delay prone airports. Plus, since Mesa's great aircraft purge, SkyWest now has nearly as many airplanes as Mesa has flights.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
However, Mesa only flies out of CLT, PHX, and HNL as hubs, right? Those aren't exactly delay prone airports. Plus, since Mesa's great aircraft purge, SkyWest now has nearly as many airplanes as Mesa has flights.

ORD, IAH, IAD, DEN
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:46 pm

I read elsewhere that UAL is worried that Mesa will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes, due to the pilot shortage, which is related to the new US FAA regulations that require all -121 (large commercial operations) pilots to have their ATP license, vs. the old requirement of only a Commercial license.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:57 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 7):
ORD, IAH, IAD, DEN

Ah, well, those aren't exactly delay prone, either. (Well, ORD is, to a degree, I guess, but that's more a gate space issue, and nothing with what the airport itself can handle anymore.)

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):
I read elsewhere that UAL is worried that Mesa will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes

They'll find a way, most likely by neglecting CRJ hiring, and transferring pilots. Mesa, and SkyWest as well, knows that their immediate future lay with the E175, so getting those staffed are a top priority.

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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:58 pm

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):
I read elsewhere that all the majors are worried that all regionals will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes, due to the pilot shortage, which is related to the new US FAA regulations that require all -121 (large commercial operations) pilots to have their ATP license, vs. the old requirement of only a Commercial license.

Just a minor fix to make your statement more accurate  
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):

I've heard the same. And who in their right mind would want to go to Mesa just to make $22 an hour for the 'privilege' to fly a jet with engines under the wings? Good luck to them, I've commuted in Mesa a few times and their pilots are a decent bunch of guys that deserve much better.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:15 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 7):

and PHL.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:27 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present.

I don't believe Mesa has ACARS which means instead of the actual out time being automatically transmitted, the crew submits the times via radio. And I'm sure they neeevvvver evvvver fib the times  
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:40 pm

Congrats Mesa   

They truly have been doing a great job for United in recent years.

Also part of the news, they received another 5-year extension on 20 CRJ-700 flying as well.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:44 pm

Mesa has ACARS now. I was in their Jumpseat a couple of weeks ago and no times were called in, and gate info was on ACARS.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:14 pm

I had heard that TransStates was trying to get this deal but the obviously lost.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:27 pm

So does this mean the (additional) rumors of SkyWest trying to get in on the new UA E-175 flying won't happen now? I remember hearing either on here or FT that SkyWest was trying to get into the E-Jet game, specifically with UA, so I'm curious if this means they are out for now, or if the Mesa deal just covers part of the new fleet.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 17):

SkyWest purchased 30 (I think) of their own E-Jets. I believe these for Mesa are the ones that United purchased a few months ago. I think I remember reading the SkyWest purchased birds are going towards UA flying but the details are escaping me right now.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:35 pm

Here is the deal.

1) United in April directly ordered 30 firm E175s with option for 40 more.

2) Skywest in May ordered 40 E175s with options for up to 160 more (including E2)


For United's direct order, the carrier went out to the market to solicit bids from carriers as to whom it would place the aircraft with. We now know Mesa was the winner.

For Skywest own order, they entered into a separate 15-year CPA with United for 40 of the aircraft.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
2) Skywest in May ordered 40 E175s with options for up to 160 more (including E2)

40 firm, 60 tentative, 100 options, and then for the E2's, 100 +100.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
For United's direct order, the carrier went out to the market to solicit bids from carriers as to whom it would place the aircraft with. We now know Mesa was the winner.

Despite flying planes owned by AS, and a few by DL, SkyWest would rather have control of the planes they fly. Especially with new types that require a lot of investment of time and money, like the E-175, and eventually, the MRJ.

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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 18):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):

Thank you both for the info! I had forgotten about SkyWest buying some 175s themselves allocated for UAX flying, so I was confused about whether this news was an upset for Mesa over SkyWest or a separate transaction.

I do find it interesting that it's taken this along for any substantial non-Republic E-170/175 operators to come online in the U.S. (since CP isn't/wasn't that large a player).
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 21):
I do find it interesting that it's taken this along for any substantial non-Republic E-170/175 operators to come online in the U.S. (since CP isn't/wasn't that large a player).

It's because they, and the contracts they were used for, preferred the CRJ7/900 due to better operating costs.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:54 pm

What are the delivery schedules for the 30 Mesa and 40 Skywest units?
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:57 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 23):
What are the delivery schedules for the 30 Mesa and 40 Skywest units?

The first two should arrive early spring so that both can do their certfication and proving runs.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:29 pm

I wonder if United is paying for all associated start up costs for the new type at Mesa. With FAA sequestration and Mesa's notorious thriftiness, I wonder how they'll meet the timeline for UA.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 7):

ORD, IAH, IAD, DEN

VERY little out of those places now relative to Skywest and ExpressJet

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Congrats Mesa

They truly have been doing a great job for United in recent years.

Also part of the news, they received another 5-year extension on 20 CRJ-700 flying as well.

Lets see if they implode AGAIN like they did last time....and the time before that. That place is an absolute dump and their CEO is a dirtbag. Good group of pilots but its a bottom feeder.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting ual777 (Reply 26):
Good group of pilots but its a bottom feeder.

Their pilots are always professional and friendly, unlike some other regional carriers pilots that are part of our (US) system. Mesa has issues but it has gotten much better after they went through their "bankruptcy" and shed their CRJ-200's and ERJ-145's and focused their concentration on the CRJ-700/900 flying for their partners. Are they perfect? no, but its better then what it was in the past.
 
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:10 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
for the E2's

I must have missed the 'E2' announcement. Is this EMB's NEO/MAX version? Anybody know the difference between old and new frames+
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Here is the deal.

1) United in April directly ordered 30 firm E175s with option for 40 more.

2) Skywest in May ordered 40 E175s with options for up to 160 more (including E2)


For United's direct order, the carrier went out to the market to solicit bids from carriers as to whom it would place the aircraft with. We now know Mesa was the winner.

For Skywest own order, they entered into a separate 15-year CPA with United for 40 of the aircraft.



So if UA exercises their 40 options the ERJ-175 fleet would be 110. Not bad, hopefully some will be based on the West Coast to shore up their North-South West coast operation and a significant amount will be allocated to up-gauging EWR ERJ-145 flights.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 23):
What are the delivery schedules for the 30 Mesa and 40 Skywest units?



I believe deliveries start in 2014 with all delivered by 2015, an agressive delivery schedule.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
I must have missed the 'E2' announcement. Is this EMB's NEO/MAX version? Anybody know the difference between old and new frames+
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ded-jets-from-ilfc.html?cmpid=yhoo

The new frames will have NEOs, I believe, and will also be a tad heavier and a tad longer.
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RE: Mesa To Operate 175s For United

Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:38 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ded-jets-from-ilfc.html?cmpid=yhoo

The new frames will have NEOs, I believe, and will also be a tad heavier and a tad longer.

And according to Embraer's mock ups on their website, they will have 777/787-type wings with the swept tips and no winglets.
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