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Could DL Go Every Hour On ATL-LAX With 737-9?

Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:38 am

I noticed Delta has anywhere between 8-11 daily flights between ATL-LAX...(depending on the month)... They operate mainly 767s and 757s on this route, with the lone 777 flight and one 737 flight..... Obviously the 777 flt is satying

Anybody here think Delta might go every hour on the hour on ATL-LAX once the 737-900s start arriving??? Sort of an East coast-West Coast shuttle?.

Isn't the 737-900 suppose to replace their domestic 767/757s??

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Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:59 pm

DL has several routes ex-ATL that are operated with more than 10 daily flights (CLT - BOS - PHL - BWI - MIA - TPA - FLL - DFW - ORD - MSP - DTW... ) but only 3 sectors have hourly departures :

ATL - LGA xxh45
ATL - DCA xxh20
ATL - MCO xx50/55

It should be tricky to set it up.
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:04 pm

The primary question I would have when deciding to implement such a strategy from a major US airport would be how long does it routinely take from push back to take off especially during peak hours.
If a/c push on time and are still sitting on the ground when the other on time a/c pushes.......
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:08 pm

Why would it be more efficient to have a shuttle on this route - and one with 737-900ERs? Right now, Delta often uses ATL-LAX and DTW-LAX to rotate widebody aircraft between Europe and the Pacific. If they switched to an all 737 operation, they would have to either bring the 777 for SYD in from DTW, or swap it onto the NRT market to then rotate it out of NRT, which I bet would be more expensive. The advantage of high volume routes like ATL-LAX is that you can profitably use them to move your larger aircraft throughout the system.

Furthermore, the hourly "shuttle" type services usually cater to business travelers who are on day trips and use the airplane like a subway. LAX is far away from ATL, and my sense is that there wouldn't be an appreciable difference for most high yield customers between 11 flights at day and 14 or 15 - especially when they have to be on the airplane for five hours and cannot make a 1-day trip.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:46 pm

It's an interesting thought, but there is also a scheduling challenge with the difference in time zones. Although you could have hourly ATL-LAX departures all day lng, it wouldn't be as easy heading east. You can't have any late afternoon or early evening departures from LAX because they would arrive in ATL in the middle of the night.

As it is now, there is a big mid-day gap in eastbound transcons from the West Coast from the early afternoon departures until the red-eyes, so you couldn't advertise "hourly" departures eastbound, which would really be the whole point of marketing a shuttle-style operation.
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Isn't the 737-900 suppose to replace their domestic 767/757s??

Yesterday UA pulled the scheduled 800 on IAH-YYC and substituted a (new car smell) 900ER.
We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast, we made most of it up in the air.

Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757.   
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757

Not even close. The 900 or 321 will never replace the personality and panache of the mighty 757, perhaps the most soulful commercial aircraft produced.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:00 am

Somewhat off topic, but are DL's 739s ETOPS rated?
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,

It is????
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:14 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Somewhat off topic, but are DL's 739s ETOPS rated?

Yes, all will be ETOPS certified.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:19 am

Sure it could be done but peaks during the day would not be addressed
12 departures would cover current seats if 10 round trips
However to get hourly coverage I think you need 15 RTs

West 0800 through 2200
East 0600 through 1700 plus 2200 through 0000

Too many seats westbound in the evening and too few in the 9-11 am timeframe
Too many seats eastbound after about 2 pm

That would take 12 aircraft with 1:05 turn in LAX and 1:45 turn at ATL
There would be time in ATL for uses of part of the 12 aircraft

Why not use the 738?
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:02 am

Looks like Delta is playing catch up to Continental...whoops I mean United....with the 900
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:10 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):

It is????

It was.

Wrong tense of the verb -- this was Friday.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:45 am

just going to put it out there for those who havent flown on one the 737-9 it is such a nice aircraft , recentlly made my favorites list when i flew it SFO-SAN (united red eye flight)
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:05 am

Quoting caljn (Reply 6):
Not even close. The 900 or 321 will never replace the personality and panache of the mighty 757, perhaps the most soulful commercial aircraft produced.

well put...the next best were the DC8-60's.....IMHO!

MAYBE, some day we will feel the same about the 787..??
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):

It is????

It was.

Wrong tense of the verb -- this was Friday.

The cruise speed of the 737-900 is the same as all 737NGs and A320 family aircraft. It is not any faster than other narrowbodies.
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RE: Could DL Go Every Hour On ATL-LAX With 737-9?

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:14 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757.   

No Way!

Without that L2 boarding door it will never replace the 757 from a passenger and cabin crew convenience point of view!
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RE: Could DL Go Every Hour On ATL-LAX With 737-9?

Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:31 pm

Quoting skymiler (Reply 16):
No Way!

Without that L2 boarding door it will never replace the 757 from a passenger and cabin crew convenience point of view!

I'm not trying to change to world here -- I'm just a frequent flyer with an opinion.

From a personal perspective, except for the lie-flat bed version 752s that sometimes show up on IAD-SFO and MIA-EWR, no one in the front cabin seems to care as long as the service is equivalent. For instance, my ice cream sundae tastes the same whether I enter the plane by door L-1 or door L-2 -- or I'm flying a 900ER or a 752/3.

By the way -- completely off topic -- I flew the DL 753s years ago as an NWA platinum. I completely get the 'slave-ship' analogy and see why crews don't like to work them.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:23 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):

The ER isn't any faster than an 800. Normal cruise .77-.79. .80 if you go fast. There was probably some slop time in the block time, a few directs and less than planned historical winds.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:35 pm

Quoting DualQual (Reply 18):
There was probably some slop time in the block time, a few directs and less than planned historical winds.

That's a pretty good analysis. There was practically *no* turbulence Friday -- unlike the IAH-SEA route where you have to hold onto your seat while gripping your drink cup in your teeth.

Since I'm not in the industry (does my RR number give that away?   ) I cede to your greater knowledge of the 900ER's flight characteristics.

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