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First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:13 pm

I'm really surprised this one slipped through the cracks here. DL 9939 ship 3801 left KBFI last night at 9:53 pm after being released by Boeing. It arrived here in KATL this morning at 5 am. It'll spend some time here on the ground for familiarization.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:25 pm

Congrats to DL. Cant wait to see it. What is its scheduled routes?
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:27 pm

I think it will be at the TOC for close to two weeks. We get the next two in about a week.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:42 pm

It made its way into the planespotters.net database very quickly.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 1):
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[Edited 2013-09-28 08:23:54]
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 4):

Do you think this bird will see South Florida action any time soon? Such as FLL and MIA? Congratulations DL! I assume new 800 and 900's have the Sky Interior as standard OEM equipment.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:05 pm

Yeah so much for photographing the first arrival. Try again for the first rev departure.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 3):
planespotters.net

Couldn't find it
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:44 pm

Anyone know if the satellite TV has been installed yet? The pictures on the a.net database show the plane without the dish.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):
Couldn't find it

There is a database entry with a reg number and EIS. I wasn't referring to a picture.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...e=737-900&fleet=5673&fleetStatus=1
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):

Anyone know if the satellite TV has been installed yet?

It is being installed at Delta TechOps in ATL before it goes into service.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:38 am

Got a good look at it today. Nice interior. The sky interior really makes it feel larger. The seats seem ok. Kind of hard to judge because they will soften after a few month of service. The cargo areas look really long. There was a crew beginning the wifi system install.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 11):
Got a good look at it today. Nice interior. The sky interior really makes it feel larger. The seats seem ok. Kind of hard to judge because they will soften after a few month of service. The cargo areas look really long. There was a crew beginning the wifi system install.

Hey do you know if the seats are the same as Alaska Airlines -900ERs have? I just rode on them and the seat was fairly comfortable but I felt like the pocket in front of me was pretty lame. I couldn't even get my paperback book to fit in it.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:18 am

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 12):
Hey do you know if the seats are the same as Alaska Airlines -900ERs have? I just rode on them and the seat was fairly comfortable but I felt like the pocket in front of me was pretty lame. I couldn't even get my paperback book to fit in it.

Another thread had pictures of the interior and the seats are different from the AS ones. They have the seatpocket in the normal area I guess you could call it that.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:49 am

Does it have the magic carpet installed?
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:12 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 11):
The cargo areas look really long.
Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 14):
Does it have the magic carpet installed?

That was going to be my question as well. Any carpet?
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 14):
Does it have the magic carpet installed?

Nope, just a big empty bin, front and back.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:12 am

The overhead bins on the Sky Interior don't look any bigger, but they do make the cabin look more spacious.

The forward galley is tiny. The galley unit aft of R-1 has been moved forward taking away floor space.

I'm not a fan of "e-Leather." It looks too much like vinyl.

Is it a good 757 replacement? I'll let passengers and F/As be the judge.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 17):

Is it a good 757 replacement? I'll let passengers and F/As be the judge.


By not having a boarding door behind first class, it not off to a good start, however ill reserve judgment until I work it.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:11 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 18):
By not having a boarding door behind first class

Although that's a great feature/benefit I've always wondered about that particular section of real estate on the 757. The second boarding door... how much money has it cost airliners to fly that piece of real estate around for those millions of miles? Just seems inefficient to me...and that's probably why it isn't there anymore on new designs. But why was it there to begin with?
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 16):
Nope, just a big empty bin, front and back.

Nice. Our below wing team will be quite strong.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 19):
Although that's a great feature/benefit I've always wondered about that particular section of real estate on the 757. The second boarding door... how much money has it cost airliners to fly that piece of real estate around for those millions of miles? Just seems inefficient to me...and that's probably why it isn't there anymore on new designs. But why was it there to begin with?

Definately a waste of space.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
Definately a waste of space.

I don't think it's fair to unequivocally say it's a waste of space - the time saved/overall utility of it during the boarding and deplaning processes isn't really measurable but could be pretty steep. The one time I've flown on a 739 (UA), it took a noticable amount of time to deplane the thing. While a number of frequent first class patrons may not know airplane types from one another, they definitely do notice when they don't have 160 passengers hitting them with bags and purses, and FAs trying to attend to them (jackets, drinks, etc.) pre-departure in the midst of that bumrush to the back is a nightmare. I'm not saying every aircraft should have such a boarding configuration, but ones with capacities approaching 200 need all the help they can get (two aisles, a middle boarding door, etc.).

I'm also under the impression that pilots aren't the biggest fan of it. It seems like the -800s are pigs enough, adding a 10 foot stretch makes it seem like the plane must fly itself off the ground, in a way, before the pilots can rotate in order to avoid a tailstrike.

I'm on the pessimistic side of the 739s, hopefully the fancy seat stitching and big personal TVs will distract the pax enough...
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 17):
I'll let passengers...judge.

I already do not like the idea of no mid cabin lav.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:50 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 19):
...and that's probably why it isn't there anymore on new designs. But why was it there to begin with?

The 757 was a longer aircraft. DL and later the NW 5600 series had a galley at door 2R. DL always had a galley at door 2L. The main cabin was too long to efficiently serve that many passengers with only the aft galley. Remember that back in the mid 80's we served a lot of food onboard. And if you barged into the forward galley mid service to restock with sodas or coffee you got your head handed to you by the people working up there for stripping out "their" supplies.

Oddly enough, on the 5500 series NW aircraft there were only 2 seats at door 2R to hasten emergency egress and no galley at 2L. I remember one day I had this man EXPLODE at me, screeching that these seats were "insulting." I told him they were the best seats in the house and I would have no problem getting passengers to switch with them. He told me I was "stupid." So I did just that. He and his wife got switched to 17E and 18E, both center seats. They thought this was an improvement? Go figure.....I laughed all the way home. All the seats get to the destination at the same time but you could never convince some passengers of that fact.

Trust me when I tell you that is not "valuable real estate." Those doors were also needed to comply with FAA regulations regarding maximum distances from any seat to an emergency exit as many of the aircraft had no over wing exits. We would never want to see a passenger lost in a fire because they could not quickly reach an exit. Plus you had flight attendants sitting there to direct evacuations.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:58 pm

Does the 739 differ much (or any) visually from the winglet-equipped 738's?
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 24):
Does the 739 differ much (or any) visually from the winglet-equipped 738's?

There is an extra emergency door (plug) midway between the wing and the rear doors. And it is noticeably longer.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 24):
Does the 739 differ much (or any) visually from the winglet-equipped 738's?

The only difference is that it's longer. Otherwise, it looks exactly like any other 737NG.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 18):
By not having a boarding door behind first class, it not off to a good start, however ill reserve judgment until I work it.

A couple weeks ago I flew a UA 739 and 757 and honestly saw no huge difference between the 2 and no major advantage to boarding behind F vs at the front of the aircraft.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 25):
There is an extra emergency door (plug) midway between the wing and the rear doors. And it is noticeably longer.

DL opted not to have these exits installed. They are not in place and just a sealed piece of fuselage where an exit could be.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 27):

Exactly....a plug. I don't believe there are any US airlines who actually have 739ERs
in a dense enough configuration to warrant activating them.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 21):
I don't think it's fair to unequivocally say it's a waste of space - the time saved/overall utility of it during the boarding and deplaning processes isn't really measurable but could be pretty steep. The one time I've flown on a 739 (UA), it took a noticable amount of time to deplane the thing. While a number of frequent first class patrons may not know airplane types from one another, they definitely do notice when they don't have 160 passengers hitting them with bags and purses, and FAs trying to attend to them (jackets, drinks, etc.) pre-departure in the midst of that bumrush to the back is a nightmare. I'm not saying every aircraft should have such a boarding configuration, but ones with capacities approaching 200 need all the help they can get (two aisles, a middle boarding door, etc.).

We've ran many tests with the 757 over the years. All usually for cabin cleaning procedures in the Caribbean and stations where air stairs are an option. The diffrence was about 3-5 minutes between the two. Not "steep".

There are a couple gates at MSP where L2 cannot be used yet they only get a 50 minute turn like every other domestic 752 flight. I've had to board through L1 in MSP on a 753.

Looking at lost revenue over the pericieved savings in time; it is a waste of space.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 28):
Exactly....a plug. I don't believe there are any US airlines who actually have 739ERs
in a dense enough configuration to warrant activating them.

Well said. If there were operators in the US like Ryanair or other LCC's that max out seating the exit would be warranted. The FAA has a formula for deciding how many exits an aircraft needs to have based on the time it take to evacuate in less than 90 seconds using only half of the available exits.

DL crews are lukewarm to this airplane so far--once it goes on the line there will be a period of time where it will be treated as the worst thing to happen in their lives. Then things will settle down once everyone gets used to it and figures out the easiest way to work the airplane. Personally, I have always disliked the 757 because I did not work it often enough to feel comfortable with making things work while on the 744 I was right at home. Depends on what you fly the most. While I was on a 757 I would seek out experienced colleagues to talk things through and make the trip successful for my passengers and fellow crew.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:20 pm

The second Delta 737-900 N802DN is now (Thursday) en route from BFI to ATL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N802DN.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
Looking at lost revenue over the pericieved savings in time; it is a waste of space.

Thanks for putting up some tangible numbers. I would stand corrected if not for this:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
Trust me when I tell you that is not "valuable real estate." Those doors were also needed to comply with FAA regulations regarding maximum distances from any seat to an emergency exit as many of the aircraft had no over wing exits.

I guess since they had to have a door there, Boeing decided to make it capable of boarding.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:29 am

The 737-800 feels crammed enough as it is. Plus the galleys really suck! I can't wait to see what they did on the -900. I have a feeling it's gonna be even worse. Not to mention 20 extra passengers and same staffing.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:43 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 33):
Not to mention 20 extra passengers and same staffing.

Up until recently sCO staffed it's 737-900 flights with a 5th FA if the load was over 100 and there was a meal service onboard. Now that there is no meal service the 5th FA position was cut from those flights.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 32):
Thanks for putting up some tangible numbers. I would stand corrected if not for this:

Now we're talking about two different things. The door HAVING to be there vs. not is a different argument. I never said it wasn't there for a reeason. I said it was a waste of space from a revenue standpoint. There is no tangible advantage vs. just boarding out of L1. Is it quicker? Yes. Noticibly quicker? No. The revenue gain of the rows of seats that would have been there vs. saving 3-7 minutes in boarding does not match. I nmy humble opinion.

Let's ptu it like this. Had it been up the the airlines, there would be more coach seats on the 757 today with that door not even being there to begin with.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:55 am

Getting to the lave at mid-cabin, I think it's a pretty silly argument to say that we don't want to put a lav there b/c we don't to subject our premium pax to having a lav near them. How silly. There are lavs in every cabin on every a/c.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:39 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 21):
I'm also under the impression that pilots aren't the biggest fan of it. It seems like the -800s are pigs enough, adding a 10 foot stretch makes it seem like the plane must fly itself off the ground, in a way, before the pilots can rotate in order to avoid a tailstrike.

The 737-900 was an absolute ugly pig which is why Boeing dumped it so quickly. The ER on the other hand is about comparable to a standard 737-800. The 800 maxes out with a 27K bump option while the 900ER has a true 27K option. A bump option provides the 27K only on takeoff, while a straight 27K engine has the thrust available for the entire flight. Anyway, in any case they fly about the same and you can barely tell the difference.

That being said, save the 700, all NG's are pigs anyway that I wish would just go away...but a 737-900ER is no more pig-like then an 800.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:52 am

So are there any official photos of the interiors? I've seen the photos when it was still with boeing all wrapped in plastic...
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 21):
Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 37):

What do you mean when you refer to an aircraft as a pig?
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:07 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 39):
What do you mean when you refer to an aircraft as a pig?

A pig "feels" heavy in almost all typical loadings. A pig needs to be coaxed into the air, can't climb very high when it gets there and then coaxed back to ground.

To illustrate the pilot of a 737-700 isn't concerned about hitting the tail, can rotate smartly and almost never be "concerned" with performance. An 800/900ER require a certain touch during rotation...don't over-rotate and strike the tail but don't rotate too slow because the end of the runway is coming up pretty quick. An 800/900ER can easily chew up 8000-9000 feet of pavement on takeoff. The speeds on takeoff and approach are much higher than what is typical. On takeoff, a 900 especially, is often wheel speed limited. A heavy 800/900 in gusty/windy conditions on approach, after all the wind additives, can have trouble fitting into the flow of traffic at busier airports with their closer in-trail spacing unless you go all the way to Flaps 40 which then puts you up against the redline for Flaps 40. A 700 can pretty much go straight to FL390 or even 410 in all but the heaviest loads...and then you might have to stop at FL370. An 800/900ER can usually only make it to the mid 30's or even lower 30's. This means you are more likely to be down in the weather and it gives you less options for a smother ride.

Imagine a winding mountain road, A little sports car zips through the turns with lots of room, accelerates up the hill, and has no problems slowing down on the downhill. Take a loaded dump truck through that same road...be careful on those turns, no acceleration on the up hills, and difficult to slow down on the downhill. There is your pig.
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 40):

Thanks very much for the analysis and insight. Very interesting!
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 37):
That being said, save the 700, all NG's are pigs anyway that I wish would just go away..

Yeah the 737-800 is such a pig that it's one of the only mainline jets (I think the 717 is the other) that is certified to takeoff from SNA without needing to perform the noise abatement procedure.

The 737-800 is such a pig that GOL regularly flies them into shorter than 5000 foot runways in Brazil.

The 737-800 is such a pig that it easily flies trans-cons in all seasons without need an unscheduled fuel stop as the A320 sometimes does.

The 737-800 is such a pig that it is used by several airlines, especially AS, from the mainland (or even Alaska) to all the Hawaiian islands. How many A32x flights are there daily to Hawaii?

Considering the 737 is the best selling airplane, by far, all time, you'll be wishing a long time
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:37 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
The 737-800 is such a pig that it easily flies trans-cons in all seasons without need an unscheduled fuel stop as the A320 sometimes does.

The 737-800 is such a pig that it is used by several airlines, especially AS, from the mainland (or even Alaska) to all the Hawaiian islands. How many A32x flights are there daily to Hawaii?

The 737-800 has superior range to the A320, nobody can deny that, but I think PassedV1 was referring to its field performance, in which I have heard similar things before.
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:50 pm

The third Delta 737-900ER has arrived in ATL.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N803DN
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:48 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
The 737-800 has superior range to the A320, nobody can deny that, but I think PassedV1 was referring to its field performance, in which I have heard similar things before.

That's why there was an SFP package introduced for the 738 after a time - but it wasn't super well received. United does have some.

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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:58 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
Yeah the 737-800 is such a pig that it's one of the only mainline jets (I think the 717 is the other) that is certified to takeoff from SNA without needing to perform the noise abatement procedure.

The 737-800 is such a pig that GOL regularly flies them into shorter than 5000 foot runways in Brazil.

The 737-800 is such a pig that it easily flies trans-cons in all seasons without need an unscheduled fuel stop as the A320 sometimes does.

The 737-800 is such a pig that it is used by several airlines, especially AS, from the mainland (or even Alaska) to all the Hawaiian islands. How many A32x flights are there daily to Hawaii?

Considering the 737 is the best selling airplane, by far, all time, you'll be wishing a long time

As far as the SNA procedures, it has more to do with what kind of slots the individual flights are scheduled on as opposed to the jets themselves.

Otherwise, I would agree with you 100% when I have my accountant hat on...and accountants buy airplanes for airlines.

I had my pilot hat on when I spoke of the NG. It's cockpit is from the 50's...it's loud, cramped, narrow. The overhead panel makes you feel like you are on an Apollo mission. A few weeks ago we ended up passing a 777 on final going into IAH. Does it get the job done? Sure.

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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:46 pm

The fourth ship (N804DN) arrived in ATL last week.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N804DN
 
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:29 am

From what I can find in the Delta desktop e-timetable it looks like the first two Delta 739 flights will be 3 Nov--
Delta 2049 ATL-SFO 8:15 AM and Delta 201 ATL-DTW 8:50 AM
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RE: First DL 737-900 On Property

Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Axiously await pics of the interior. Only see a few here and there.
What gets measured gets done.

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