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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:04 pm

According to AA. com. AA updated their schedules over night to include the upgage of 1 of the 2 MIA-LHR flights to 777-300. Flight 56 will now operate with a 777-300 effective Jan 2014.
 
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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:08 pm

Lets hope so, DFW, LAX & JFK already have AA 777-300ER flights. Miami always seems to be last to get the new jets at AA.
 
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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:16 pm

Hardly a good upgrade for passenger travelling in Y. However, the premium cabins should be better on the 77W.
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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:17 pm

Great add for both AA and MIA. I was just going through my flight stats, and 28.3% of all my flying has been on AA, I remember being in a new 777 AA received not a month or so before, it was a LGW-DFW flight, what a take off that was, a new experience and very enjoyable in my seat 10A, very nice day that May 7th 1999 .... It was the dawn of the 777 with AA.
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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Miami always seems to be last to get the new jets at AA.

... and yet in this case MIA (and LAX, and JFK, and DFW) will be getting a new airplane before ORD. So I guess MIA isn't always last.  

Good news for MIA - which just continues to grow and expand for AA. (Quite impressive.) Putting a 77W on MIA-LHR makes sense, as it's a market that definitely generates F demand, and offers immense connectivity at both ends of the route. I do expect that at some point AA will likely put at least 1 77W on ORD-LHR as well (probably 86/87). That is definitely a market that warrants at least some F capacity, and I cannot see AA handing all of its F traffic on that route to BA once the 777s are reconfigured to JY. (Perhaps what might ultimately make sense is swapping a 77W between the two markets depending on season - on ORD-LHR in the summer and MIA-LHR in the winter.)
 
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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:46 pm

This has been discussed in a past thread already so it's pretty old news now  

Good to see the AA 77W in MIA too 

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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:52 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
This has been discussed in a past thread already so it's pretty old news now

How could it have been discussed in a past thread if they just loaded it into the schedule? Maybe AA's intention to put the 77W on MIA-LHR-MIA was discussed, but this is "new news" and deserves it's own topic.

I'm looking forward to seeing that beautiful plane fly by my house each day, and am happy it's going to start in just a few more months!
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:09 pm

AA took out the scheduled 77W on MIA-LHR. Guess they put it back online. Great news!
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:15 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
I cannot see AA handing all of its F traffic on that route to BA

Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

I was under the impression from the AA/BA/IB presentation in May 2010 that AA and BA would share all costs and all revenue on all their trans-Atlantic flights between the USA and the UK an d 15 per cent of the costs an d revenue on all "behind and beyond" co0de share flights. If this is correct BA would get half the revenue and pay half the costs of all AA MIA-LHR flights whether or not they use a 77W configured with an F Class cabin. Likewise AA would equally share the costs and revenue obtained by the twice daily BA 744 flights all of which are configured with 14 F Class seats.

Check out Slides 71, 105 and in particular 128 (titled "Revenue Sharing Principles) and 129 (titled "Revenue Sharing Illustration") in the 2010 presentation here:

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_.../01_ID_2010_Full_presentations.pdf
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:24 pm

I can confirm for AA that yes AA will indeed start from January 1st on a 77W on MIA-LHR route.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

It does matter to customers to one extent: upgrades. AA has the most generous complimentary systemwide upgrade (SWU) system for top-tier elite frequent flyers of any major airline in the U.S., but those SWUs are not - at least as of now - usable on BA, only AA metal. As such, if AA were to entirely eliminate F on the ORD-LHR route, there would likely be some unhappy premium customers who may even switch to UA because of the inability to use their SWUs to LHR.

Beyond that, though - I think the bigger reason why I see AA putting a 77W on at least one of the ORD-LHR flights (again, I think 86/87 most likely) is because this really is a major business market with a fair amount of paid premium cabin demand. It's not JFK-LHR, of course, but ORD is one of the principal business markets in North America.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:48 pm

Training was assigned to flight attendants starting in october so it was obvious that the airplane was coming. Think i heard its going to GRU soon as well.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting aacun (Reply 11):
Think i heard its going to GRU soon as well.

Makes sense. GRU and EZE both make sense for the 77W out of MIA.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

As mentioned it works for the FF program and since they got the a/c and they have union agreements in place to fly the things they may as well go somewhere, its a long range a/c with good capacity so domestic is secondary, they gotta find some international routes.
Heck in December they can bring it to NAS for a turn, we do have traffic that connects to LHR but for our xmas shopping I'm sure we would full the cargo hold, Eagle RJ's have issues  
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
How could it have been discussed in a past thread if they just loaded it into the schedule? Maybe AA's intention to put the 77W on MIA-LHR-MIA was discussed, but this is "new news" and deserves it's own topic.

B77W on MIA-LHR has been loaded since mid August. And yes, it was discussed in another thread.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Good to see, and logical - it's a busy route with great yields year-round. BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night, every flight out of MIA. Forget upgrades, the premium cabins are booked solid with revenue pax.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:44 pm

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 14):
B77W on MIA-LHR has been loaded since mid August. And yes, it was discussed in another thread.

I was loaded a while ago, but then removed from GDS. It is now re-loaded.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night, every flight out of MIA.

Small correction, as BA is 18x weekly.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 16):
I was loaded a while ago, but then removed from GDS. It is now re-loaded.

Ah, okay. Similar to LGA-LIT I guess, except that never came back.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:18 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night,

Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:19 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):
Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

Why couldn't AA fill 77Ws on one of the world's most traveled trans-Atlantic routes?
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
Why couldn't AA fill 77Ws on one of the world's most traveled trans-Atlantic routes?

But you didn't really answer his question. It's not like AA 56/57 are always going out full. It's a valid question.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:02 am

Is it true that AA will not have first class on their 777-200ERs only Business and Coach class.But their 777-300ER will have all three class of service?
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

I've asked this before, and apparently a lot of corporate contracts are metal specific, i.e. the "contract price" is only applicable on AA flights.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:14 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):
Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

AA has 2 777 plus the 2 BA 744''s. sure they can fill it.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:31 am

Can't wait to clear this beauty for takeoff!!!!
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 20):
It's not like AA 56/57 are always going out full. It's a valid question.

No flight on this planet goes out full every flight. MIA-LHR is the biggest international market from MIA and one of the most traveled Trans-Atlantic routes there are.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 21):
Is it true that AA will not have first class on their 777-200ERs only Business and Coach class.But their 777-300ER will have all three class of service?

That is the plan. Yes.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):

Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

Yes. If BA can fly 18 flights a week between MIA and LHR, VS is daily on a 744 and AA is 2 daily I think they can fill a 77W.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
I'm looking forward to seeing that beautiful plane fly by my house each day, and am happy it's going to start in just a few more months!

   Can't wait to see it pass by my house on the downwind leg to the 8's or 9. Now, if we can only get a 787 to visit MIA (aside from the Thomson that fly over us when routed over South Florida operating the to/from Cancun and the United Kingdom flights).
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 26):
Can't wait to see it pass by my house on the downwind leg to the 8's or 9. Now, if we can only get a 787 to visit MIA (aside from the Thomson that fly over us when routed over South Florida operating the to/from Cancun and the United Kingdom flights).

Norwegian is supposed to start FLL with a 787 this fall, but with all the problems they are having with their new 787 who knows ?
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:54 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
Norwegian is supposed to start FLL with a 787 this fall, but with all the problems they are having with their new 787 who knows ?

Let's hope Boeing can resolve those issues! Had forgotten about the 787 to FLL, so I just need to drive 30 additional miles to see one up closer!
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:36 pm

So what route gets that 772 that is being replaced by the 77W? Will it be replacing a 763 somewhere?
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 25):
Yes. If BA can fly 18 flights a week between MIA and LHR, VS is daily on a 744 and AA is 2 daily I think they can fill a 77W.

VS has downsized to an A330.

It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.
 
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:37 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
VS has downsized to an A330.

Some days its an A330 some days its a 744

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.

Nothing is a given. I think most people will agree AA can make MIA-LHR work fairly well with a 777W. It is a market which demands plenty of premium seating. BA has been filling two 747-400 for years now.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.

It pretty much is a given that AA can fill a 77W on what is traditionally one of it's top three performing trans-Atlantic routes.
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RE: AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR

Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
I was under the impression from the AA/BA/IB presentation in May 2010 that AA and BA would share all costs and all revenue on all their trans-Atlantic flights between the USA and the UK an d 15 per cent of the costs an d revenue on all "behind and beyond" co0de share flights. If this is correct BA would get half the revenue and pay half the costs of all AA MIA-LHR flights whether or not they use a 77W configured with an F Class cabin. Likewise AA would equally share the costs and revenue obtained by the twice daily BA 744 flights all of which are configured with 14 F Class seats.

Correct. I recall once reading that IB's most profitable trans-Atlantic route is LHR-JFK, which they don't fly with their own metal at all.

Quoting flymia (Reply 31):
Some days its an A330 some days its a 744

744 on weekends, seasonal downgrade because September/October is slow. Other Euorpean airlines have similarly downsized and some have even cut frequency.

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