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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:10 pm

Good afternoon guys,

Due to the length of part 6, part 7 has been created. Please feel free to continue to contribute to the discussion.

Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 6 (by iowaman Jun 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:13 pm

Quoting PHX787 ():
So any updates on the T3N gates? I heard they're doing maintenance on it now in anticipation of the HA move!

NK is going to use gate 25 after the move from IWA. B6 will be moving from gate 5 on the south side to 26 on the north side, leaving HA as the only occupant of gate 5. And SY will likely move to the south side as well. With these moves I could see HA staying on the south side for the time being.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:05 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
NK is going to use gate 25 after the move from IWA

   That is correct Sir, The old NW offices and podium at the gate are being remodeled as we speak.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
B6 will be moving from gate 5 on the south side to 26 on the north side

  

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
And SY will likely move to the south side as well

They will be moving to gate 9 is what I heard but that could always change.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
With these moves I could see HA staying on the south side for the time being.

HA is the whole reason B6 is moving. DL TechOps got rewarded the contract for HA to perform heavy duty checks nightly. HA had to adjust their schedule which affects B6.

As on news of Gate 24, The gate works and DL will possibly using it for RON aircraft that will get towed off later because NK and B6 will also get priority use of that gate from 2300 to 0230
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:03 am

From the previous thread...

Quoting chrisair:
Every time I asked last year they said T3 wasn't due for it. T2 was the one where it was promised (the signs were up and everything) but went away because UA "didn't want to pay for it" or something.

That's a new one! I've now heard six or seven different reasons for why it didn't happen before. As with most things when it comes to TSA: Who the hell really knows why?!

If PreCheck really does come to T2, then I'm happy. I think that logistically it will be tough in T3 since the checkpoints are pretty cramped as it is.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:06 am

I wish the mods would email me when a new thread is created but oh well


It looks like T3 is going to be a huge shakeup by the time i return back to PHX. My next trip seems to be sometime in March.


Are those QF charters still scheduled?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:57 pm

What's going on here?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8606

Sun Country 737-800 flying HNL to IWA
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 5):

What's going on here?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8606

Sun Country 737-800 flying HNL to IWA

Department of Corrections charter.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:50 am

Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):

Can confirm this happened, watched it coming in at work in TUS, shocked to see a mainline, thought it was a diversion. It landed, went to the gate and literally turned around to go take off back to Phoenix. Did not sit at the gate very long at all.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20130929/0400Z/KBFI/KTUS

Anyone care to speculate on this one? It continued onto PHX as this...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../KPHX
Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):

Can confirm this happened, watched it coming in at work in TUS, shocked to see a mainline, thought it was a diversion. It landed, went to the gate and literally turned around to go take off back to Phoenix. Did not sit at the gate very long at all.

U of A played UW in Seattle.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:21 am

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):

U of A played UW in Seattle.

Quite the irony to fly an Airbus out of Boeing Field!  
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 6):
Department of Corrections charter.

They charter Sun Country now, huh? Nice flight for those jailbirds  
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 10):
Quite the irony to fly an Airbus out of Boeing Field!

Haaa that is hilarious. I can just imagine those Boeing engineers glaring at the Airbus taxiing by  
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
They charter Sun Country now, huh? Nice flight for those jailbirds

They used SY for this flight because their 737s are ETOPS rated and can do HNL-IWA, Falcon only operates MD-80s which can't do that flight. They have used SY off and on in the past for these services. Falcon and Ryan are the primary operators for the DOJ flights though.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:24 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):
I think that logistically it will be tough in T3 since the checkpoints are pretty cramped as it is.

Just went through T3 on Monday. They've redone the security setup now--the priority line is against the east wall. According to the TSA person there, they hope to have PreCheck up and running by Oct. 31. Supposedly they moved the priority line to accommodate it.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:45 pm

I had no idea of the large size of the Republic and Sun Country operations at Laughlin.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KIFP

Arrivals from Gateway, Tulsa, Kansas City, Seattle, Fort Collins, Grand Forks all on 738s and E190s
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 13):
Just went through T3 on Monday. They've redone the security setup now--the priority line is against the east wall. According to the TSA person there, they hope to have PreCheck up and running by Oct. 31. Supposedly they moved the priority line to accommodate it.

Glad to hear it! Thanks for the update. Hopefully the same progress has been made in T2...I haven't flown in a few weeks, but I'm flying about 60k in the next two months from T2 so PreCheck will be much appreciated sooner than later.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 12):
They have used SY off and on in the past for these services.

Exactly. This isn't a new thing. I've seen SY charters for DOJ and others from IWA at least a half dozen times in the past few years, and that's just from what I've personally seen. AZDOC houses a huge number of inmates from Hawaii under contract, so one could assume this has something to so with it.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:21 pm

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.


Yes, it was a 762 in UA colors doing touch and go's. it's back at GYR now.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.

There's nothing on a Flight Aware. The closest thing I can find around then is an Allegiant A319.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:38 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

I saw it also, I had to do a double take because it was doing touch and go's
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:02 am

Nice! Hopefully it'll find a new home?
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:29 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 18):
There's nothing on a Flight Aware.

IWA was never a destination or origination of the United 762 since it was only doing touch and go's. The only thing you might have seen on a flight tracking system was the United flight number doing a GYR-GYR flight.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:32 am

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 21):

Yes, I inferred that from Treebeard's post...what I said was beaten out by 5 seconds so it became irrelevant as soon as it went up.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:09 am

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 17):
Yes, it was a 762 in UA colors doing touch and go's. it's back at GYR now.

Wow I wonder who bought her....maybe a cargo airline?
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Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:15 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 19):
I saw it also, I had to do a double take because it was doing touch and go's

I thought I was seeing things, glad I wasnt
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 21):
The only thing you might have seen on a flight tracking system was the United flight number doing a GYR-GYR flight.

Like this?  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20131003/2000Z/KGYR/KGYR
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:50 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):

They're still really young airplanes (less than 12 or 13 years old) so there should still plenty of life left in them before they'll end up with a cargo operator or getting scrapped. I know a lot of their former 735s (many nearly as young) are now with UTAir, so I wonder if the 762s are headed in a similar direction. I remember reading something about where some of them might be going, but like many things, it has completely escaped me.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 23):
Wow I wonder who bought her....maybe a cargo airline?

It's N69154, a 12 year old frame delivered to CO on 1/19/01. It will be going to UTAir and is flying GYR-MCO today.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:06 am

Cessna 340 Crashes North Of Prescott, AZ (by PSAJet17 Oct 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Cessna down near Prescott
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:44 pm

Speaking of Prescott, what's with the Mesa Crj 900 doing Phx-Prc-Phx?
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPRC
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 29):

Looks like it was probably a mx test flight.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:34 pm

Well, I saw that HA was at the Northern gates today. How long have they been over on the north side of T-3?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5329/10193180583_2540fe07bc_b.jpg
HA-35 by aztrainer72, on Flickr

[Edited 2013-10-10 11:20:50]

Not the best shot or angle as it was from T-4 8th floor


[Edited 2013-10-10 11:21:39]
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:53 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 31):

Well, I saw that HA was at the Northern gates today. How long have they been over on the north side of T-3?

I saw it at T3N this morning before I flew out of T2 and was wondering the same thing. I knew the change was coming but I didn't realize it was so soon.


On another note, TSA PreCheck officially opened this morning in T2!
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 31):

Very odd... With the recent gate change notices HA is staying on the south side while B6 moves to north side alongside NK. Usually HA will use 26 at night for their RON aircraft because B6 is still on the ground. After B6 leaves the HA plane gets towed over back to the south side. Maybe sky train construction has restricted use of Gate 5 on the south end...
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 33):
Very odd... With the recent gate change notices HA is staying on the south side while B6 moves to north side alongside NK. Usually HA will use 26 at night for their RON aircraft because B6 is still on the ground. After B6 leaves the HA plane gets towed over back to the south side. Maybe sky train construction has restricted use of Gate 5 on the south end...

I figured that you would of been the one to know if this was the switch that was being touted for such a long time. If it is because of sky train, would that mean that HA will be over at T-3N for an extended period of time as well as would/will they have the room to keep a 767 and a 330 over at 5? I thought that the room at 5 was getting smaller and that was the reason for the move to T-3....

Well, it was a strange day all around in Phoenix today with the weather and all.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:33 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 34):

We were briefed last month about how NK and B6 will be taking over gates 25 and 26 on the north end. I am not really sure how Gate 5 works over on the south end expect that the 767 has to park at an angle when it parks there. I am not sure if an A330 will be able to fit there but Gate 24 has a parking spot for an A330 as well as Delta Gate 23. It would not be a surprise to me if one day HA packed up and moved over to the north end because of the looming AA/US merger and the terminal expansion project. But DL TechOps will be doing heavy checks on HA birds here starting soon so a move over to the north end could help them out alot.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:42 am

She looks better over at North. You can grab a nice shot of Camelback in the background with her too  
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 34):
Well, it was a strange day all around in Phoenix today with the weather and all.

I'm missing out on all the fun. It's been cloudy, windy, and typhoony here in Japan.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:54 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 35):
We were briefed last month about how NK and B6 will be taking over gates 25 and 26 on the north end. I am not really sure how Gate 5 works over on the south end expect that the 767 has to park at an angle when it parks there. I am not sure if an A330 will be able to fit there but Gate 24 has a parking spot for an A330 as well as Delta Gate 23. It would not be a surprise to me if one day HA packed up and moved over to the north end because of the looming AA/US merger and the terminal expansion project. But DL TechOps will be doing heavy checks on HA birds here starting soon so a move over to the north end could help them out alot.

I was out again today and she was over on the North again. I agree that if DL is doing the checks than HA's gate should be to the north for the ease to work and not having to travel back and forth for parts. With teh transition of 767 to the 330 it will eventually have to be moved to a different gate.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
She looks better over at North. You can grab a nice shot of Camelback in the background with her too

When she leaves? Today she used 8/26, but these days I am at 40th street and that is a LONG shot. The problem is the angle as she needs to climb slowly to keep Camelback in the shot or you would need to have a very wide shot. This is an example from 40th street with a 80 - 200 (new) lens.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3670/10212391584_c3cbdd293e_b.jpg
HA N592HA by aztrainer72, on Flickr

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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:00 am

I have a question for something I have seen twice in the past. Last summer and today there was a FX caravan that was behind a follow me truck. They are going from the normal cargo area to the north side of the airport. My question is, are they doing this because their MX area is in the hangers on the north side? Why would they not have their MX area closer to their FBO? I took a picture of a US CRJ-600 landing landing and I saw that they were working on a FX caravan.

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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:19 am

Anyone know why SWA634 flight from DEN to PHX on 10/12 did this on final. It flew over my house in Chandler at about 5000 feet. on Oct 12th strange approach to PHX. I heard him tell the PHX tower that he would most likely role to the end of 26.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:48 am

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 39):
I heard him tell the PHX tower that he would most likely role to the end of 26.

He probably had an issue which he needed to run a quick checklist on.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:54 pm

Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 39):
Anyone know why SWA634 flight from DEN to PHX on 10/12 did this on final. It flew over my house in Chandler at about 5000 feet. on Oct 12th strange approach to PHX. I heard him tell the PHX tower that he would most likely role to the end of 26.

Likely a tower flyby for a landing gear inspection. The CFR trucks were staged for the flight; probably either a flat tire, brake indication, or gear unsafe indication.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:54 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 41):

Thanks for the info! That is what I was thinking but I can't pick up PHX ground on my scanner from Chandler! At one point I thought that they were going to land at IWA. It looked like they were making a right down wind approach. I tuned to Gateway tower and never heard them talking to the SWA flight.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:23 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 37):

It looks like HA has moved their operation to gate 24. 767 line along with A321 and A320 lines have been painted for use by B6 and NK if needed . They have a little podium at the gate now along with some signage I assume more is to come. There are also new podiums at Gate 25 and 26 for the start of the NK and B6 operation. Next month T3N is going to be very crowded at night.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:09 pm

What's up with the Coyotes charter planes? I'd thought that they had painted, and used an early 757, and the old 727 flown away to parts unknown, but at http://www.visitingphx.com/charters.html it shows them using a 727, but not their old one.
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 32):
On another note, TSA PreCheck officially opened this morning in T2!

PreCheck is open at T3N as well! Life is good! Hopefully DL and AS stay partners now.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:05 pm

So Volaris started operations this week. Any word on how the first loads looked?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:42 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 46):
So Volaris started operations this week. Any word on how the first loads looked?

Most of the PHX Spotters are in LAX right now so I can't really ask them....does anyone have any photos of it?
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:51 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 29):
Speaking of Prescott, what's with the Mesa Crj 900 doing Phx-Prc-Phx?
http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPRC
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 29):

Looks like it was probably a mx test flight.

It went up to PRC for ERAU's OctoberWest event. It dwarfed every aircraft on the ERAU flight line.
 
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RE: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7

Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
Most of the PHX Spotters are in LAX right now so I can't really ask them....does anyone have any photos of it?

I have a picture posted on the spotters FB page. GDL-PHX will be 3x weekly and MEX-PHX starts on December 4th.
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