jetsetter1969
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Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:34 pm

Given the retirement of Concorde and the demise of the Sonic Cruiser is it viable for there to be a faster commercial aircraft even if it were lower end of supersonic speeds? I know the fuel consumption could be prohibitive but is there a possible market for such an aircraft? If so what range could it have and possible routes? If an 8 hour trip could be cut to say 6 hours would that be sufficient to justify a price premium?

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Dave

[Edited 2013-09-29 09:12:40 by SA7700]
 
rutankrd
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Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:04 pm

Recurring question search the data base its been debated to the n'th degree.

Short answer NO to all your points !

Trans-sonic aviation not likely in the next twenty years simply put with current engine and fuels no way to make it pay !

There needs to be leap (Pun intended) and perhaps low orbiting technology - That's Mac5+ next time round and commercially that really is a long way off
 
a380900
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Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:15 pm

If economic conditions are steady for a long enough period, some supersonic business jet may be started. Dassault was studying one before 9/11 I think. Or before the financial crisis.

If a business jet is successful, maybe a larger plane will be considered. First flight not before 20 à 25 years for an airliner.
 
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RE: Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:38 pm

Quoting A380900 (Reply 2):

Or, if like the Boeing 707 almost 60 years ago, if it's based on a successful military aircraft. One can only hope. And any super sonic/HSCT should and would be a larger plane able to haul more people as opposed to the very limited Concorde which was more an exercise of prestige and priced for the very rich and famous.
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RubberJungle
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RE: Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:58 pm

There's virtually no need for supersonic flight.

On-board mobile communications, laptop power and Wi-Fi access have provided a way for the premium business passenger (the crucial supersonic market audience) to make use of the time on board.

If anything, subsonic flight is probably more convenient because it provides a stable window of several hours in which to both work and find time to kick back, rather than a short three-hour slot which has been book-ended by the hassle of airport travel.
 
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RE: Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:12 pm

Unless oil crashes in price the answer is NO.

There are just so many ways to stay connected and productive now. With wifi its so much harder to justify the price anymore. You can stay just as connected as on the ground.
 
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RE: Any Possibility Of Supersonic Commercial Aircraft?

Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 4):
On-board mobile communications, laptop power and Wi-Fi access have provided a way for the premium business passenger (the crucial supersonic market audience) to make use of the time on board.

Oddly enough, quite a few of the business pax on BA Concorde at least in the latter years involved in the internet.
Though the wi-fi etc wasn't developed then of course.
However many of the pax just liked to be able to leave London mid morning and be in NewYork that same mid morning, it wasn't so much working on board as pure time saving, or as the late Sir David Frost put it, 'being able to be in two places at the same time'.

Technically speaking, our RR Olympus rep told us that while producing a new and viable engine for a SST was simple enough for supercruise (and they did not expect even 30-40 years later to beat the Olympus 593 for both performance and efficiency at Mach 2), building one that was also enviormentally and in terms of fuel consumption acceptable in subsonic flight was the real show stopper.
There were ideas but they tended to be very complex affairs.

So I'm not under any illusions about seeing a SST again.
Come November, it's 10 years since my own final Concorde flight, the delivery of G-BOAE to retirement in BGI.
I knew then I'd never travel that fast, that high, in that comfort again in my lifetime.

Maybe the best comment is not from the aviation world, but in an episode of the US political drama 'The West Wing'.
The Leo McGarry character laments how the space program fizzled out after Apollo, where also were the other technical promises of his younger days in the 1960's, adding 'even Concorde is not flying now'.
One of the sharp younger staffers points to personal computers as the great new technology, to which Leo snarls, 'a more efficient way of spreading gossip and porn!'

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