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Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:46 pm

Looks like Delta will be adding 6x daily SEA-SFO nonstops using E75s starting end of March 2014, increasing to 7x daily in June 2014. Flights have been loaded on delta.com and other GDS and are already bookable as of now:

SEA-SFO:

DL 5781 630am - 840am
DL 5805 855am - 1105am (start June 2014)
DL 5734 1000am -1210pm
DL 5736 1200pm - 210pm
DL 5738 315pm - 525pm
DL 5742 530pm - 740pm
DL 5787 825pm -1035pm

SFO-SEA:

DL 5734 7am - 905am
DL 5736 915am -1120am
DL 5738 1135am - 140pm
DL 5782 1pm - 305pm (start June 2014)
DL 5742 245pm - 450pm
DL 5787 550pm - 755pm
DL 5785 810pm - 1015pm

Also, SEA-LAX will go to 7x daily (6 E75s + 1 A319) while SEA-LAS will bump up to 5x daily (all CR9s). Appears that all flights are bookable now. DL will still codeshare with AS on SEA-LAX and SEA-SFO, but I can't find any codeshares on SEA-LAS anymore.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:20 pm

Wow, that's a lot of flights! Where are these planes going to be parking? Guess DL is trying to take control of the connecting flows in SEA, rather than continuing to rely on AS for feed.

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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:28 pm

Sounds like a logical expansion of the Delta Shuttle branding out west that was recently announced.

Delta Shuttle Branding Added To LAX-SFO (by simairlinenet Aug 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Makes you wonder what route(s) out west will get it next.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Wow.

Is SEA big enough for the two of them? This is obviously not too dramatic an increase in capacity - relative to the market - on any of these routes, but in terms of the message it sends and its strategic significance, I think this is pretty major. As it stands now, I think there are only a few major U.S. markets left that DL isn't going to be linking to SEA (BOS, ORD, SAN and DEN come to mind immediately). Rightly or wrongly, this will certainly raise the questions again about the relationship between DL and AS.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
Sounds like a logical expansion of the Delta Shuttle branding out west that was recently announced.

One can wait for the Delta press release but I don't anticipate these will be branded Delta Shuttle. That creates an expectation of frequency that even six or seven a day doesn't get close to matching.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:46 pm

Well, Alaska has been such a success at filling their planes with their own customers, it sounds like there isn't a lot of room for codeshare passengers. If Delta wants to feed it's international operations out of Seattle, as well as serve the cities their customes want, they need to serve markets such as as San Francisco.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:07 pm

Well so much for the old argument that airlines don't have focus cities anymore. It's very impressive what DL is able to do in Seattle. I look forward to this continually strengthening relationship between DL and AS.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Guess DL is trying to take control of the connecting flows in SEA, rather than continuing to rely on AS for feed.
Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Rightly or wrongly, this will certainly raise the questions again about the relationship between DL and AS.

DL is bring their own brand in because AS doesn't have the capacity to accommodate both Alaska fliers and Delta fliers, and still maintain the connection traffic DL wants. But that makes four airlines flying between both SFO and LAX to SEA...others being UA, AS and VX.

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
Looks

All starting in March?
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:23 pm

Anyone know what the Min Connecting Time (MCT) in SEA is (from International to Domestic)?

I see DL selling some 1 hour connections next summer such as HKG-SEA-SFO and ICN-SEA-LAX:

DL138 HKG 10:00am SEA 7:55am
DL5806 SEA 8:55am SFO 11:05am

DL198 ICN 5:20pm SEA 12:05pm
DL5682 SEA 1:05pm LAX 3:44pm
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
All starting in March?

SEA-SFO starts end of March with 6x daily, and then goes to 7x in June
SEA-LAX - additional frequency comes online in June
SEA-LAS - additional frequency comes online in April
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 8):
Anyone know what the Min Connecting Time (MCT) in SEA is (from International to Domestic)?

Per GDS Delta says:

D/D... 1:00 online
D/D....1:10 offline
D/I... 1:10
I/D... 1:30
I/I.... 1:30
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:55 pm

This is what partners do! Not . Granted, there is no way DL can have a TPAC hub without being able to control the flow, but this makes things more complicated for AS/DL. Again.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:56 pm

Where are these airplane coming from??
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 12):

Where are these airplane coming from??


MEM?
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:01 pm

Wow, with what DL is doing in SEA, I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends. Friends don't fight wars.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:04 pm

So has Compass Airlines established a west coast crew base to accommodate crews flying along the west coast?
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 15):
So has Compass Airlines established a west coast crew base to accommodate crews flying along the west coast?

As of now, no. They could use one though.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Wow, with what DL is doing in SEA, I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends. Friends don't fight wars.

It seems the "friends" couldn't supply enough codeshare seats for Delta's rapidly expanding Seattle operation. Therefore, Delta has stepped in to take up the slack.  

Actually it probably means AS is flying with high low factors which is good for them too.

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:10 pm

Wow that is big expansion. SEA-SFO is taking on UA which is biggest in the market. Knowing UAs past performance in SEA means they likely retreat.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:30 pm

DL will have an interesting time parking these birds in SEA. Hardly any space at peak times of the day in the S gates.

I expect we'll see some $79 tickets on SEA-SFO again. Never thought OAK would be the premium airport but WN doesn't act very aggressively now and SEA-OAK is a mere duopoly compared to the bloodbath brewing on SEA-SFO.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
Makes you wonder what route(s) out west will get it next.

PHX? SAN? DEN?

It is very good to see DL growing in SEA. SEA has become its own region in the DL domestic system. With all these extra flights, what is the gate situation looking like?
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Just what we need at SFO, more small planes connecting major cities. I completely understand it makes sense for frequency and economics, but the delays are getting worse and worse each year.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
This is what partners do! Not . Granted, there is no way DL can have a TPAC hub without being able to control the flow, but this makes things more complicated for AS/DL.
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Wow, with what DL is doing in SEA, I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends. Friends don't fight wars.

I think AS will still continue to be a key part of DL's SEA strategy. I mean I am sure there were some calls between ATL and SEA saying "we need X amount of seats between SEA-SFO, Y amount of seats SEA-LAS, etc" and AS said "we can't provide that and accommodate our own customers" so DL said "well, we will have to do it ourselves". I am sure for feed from places like BOI, GEG, SMF, etc AS will still be key to helping top off the TPAC flights for DL.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 22):
I mean I am sure there were some calls between ATL and SEA saying "we need X amount of seats between SEA-SFO, Y amount of seats SEA-LAS, etc" and AS said "we can't provide that and accommodate our own customers"

That's illegal. No such calls took place.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Wow, with what DL is doing in SEA, I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends. Friends don't fight wars.

To me it seems that they aren't fighting a war, rather supplementing each others' services and growing together. If it was a war they probably wouldn't be codesharing.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 12):
Where are these airplane coming from??

MCI-SLC, STL-SLC, MSP-SLC, feeding the planes to SLC-SFO, which then fly to LAX and SEA.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:26 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 23):
That's illegal. No such calls took place.

  

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 18):
Knowing UAs past performance in SEA means they likely retreat.

And what about their past performance in SFO...

Quoting airtechy (Reply 17):
It seems the "friends" couldn't supply enough codeshare seats for Delta's rapidly expanding Seattle operation. Therefore, Delta has stepped in to take up the slack.

Well, I think it's something like that. LASSEA for instance starts at $178 roundtrip, or about 10 cents per mile. LASNRT starts at $889, or 8 cents per mile. I think AS just doesn't want to take DL's junk. If it were a straight mileage prorate, the LASSEA portion of LASSEANRT would be $137, so I can't blame AS for preferring the local. And the China fares start in the $600s, which makes the math even more unpalatable.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:52 pm

This will go close to the top of my list on, not seeing it coming.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 18):
Knowing UAs past performance in SEA means they likely retreat.

Highly doubtful. SFO-SEA is a huge market for UA. I'd suspect more 757's and 739 in the market

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 21):
Just what we need at SFO, more small planes connecting major cities.

Agreed. SFO will be a mess next summer when the runway construction begins already. This will not help things at all.

My question is were is DL putting these flights at SFO? They seem to be running the terminal (C concourse) near capacity as it is. I've noticed recently that over night parking has now expanded from behind A concourse to Plot-41 on the far side of the field.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:39 pm

Could SEA-PHX and SEA-SAN be coming soon as well?
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting panamair (Thread starter):
DL will still codeshare with AS on SEA-LAX and SEA-SFO, but I can't find any codeshares on SEA-LAS anymore.

AS code share will probably disappear off all these routes.

Quoting Prost (Reply 5):
Well, Alaska has been such a success at filling their planes with their own customers, it sounds like there isn't a lot of room for codeshare passengers.

That's the company line, but is patently false.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
This is what partners do! Not . Granted, there is no way DL can have a TPAC hub without being able to control the flow, but this makes things more complicated for AS/DL. Again.

If I were at Alaska I'd be dropping the DL relationship immediately. This is like giving your enemy access to your ammunition. AS is now gunning for a hub in SEA. It benefits AS in no way to continue the code share. They should deny them access to their frequent flier plan immediately.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 27):
Could SEA-PHX and SEA-SAN be coming soon as well?

SAN is an AS monopoly route, currently 7-8x daily. B6 at one time had a 1x daily but it is not operating currently. Yields are generally a little better than SEA-LAX. PHX has 3 airlines currently (for today, 6x US, 5x AS, 3x WN) all operating mainline equipment.

If I was DL management, I'd pick SAN. Less competition.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
AS code share will probably disappear off all these routes.

Why do you think that?

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
If I were at Alaska I'd be dropping the DL relationship immediately. This is like giving your enemy access to your ammunition. AS is now gunning for a hub in SEA. It benefits AS in no way to continue the code share. They should deny them access to their frequent flier plan immediately.

In no way? More seats without having to use their own equipment, international connections, these seem like positives to me.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:05 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 26):
Highly doubtful. SFO-SEA is a huge market for UA. I'd suspect more 757's and 739 in the market

Tomorrow's UA SFO-SEA shows a CRJ, 3x CR7, a 73G, 3x 738, and a 757, so there's plenty of room to upgauge.

For reference, VX shows a 319 + 4x 320.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:09 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 20):
PHX? SAN? DEN?
Quoting TWA85 (Reply 27):
Could SEA-PHX and SEA-SAN be coming soon as well?

Back when DL started adding this domestic feed out of SEA, such as to LAX and LAS, I thought SAN would be pretty high on their list of possible destinations to be added next. Didn't happen then, and still doesn't appear to be happening in the first half of '14. (DL wouldn't want to ruin SAN's status as strictly a large, healthy, hub-only connected out-station.)

I would expect that at least AS is mighty happy that they continue to have a very healthy monopoly in the busy (and well-served) SEA-SAN market! AS can just keep taking that money to the bank all by themselves.  

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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 6):
It's very impressive what DL is able to do in Seattle.

While I don't doubt DL's potential, I'm not sure we can yet say what they are "able" to do. Eighteen months from now we could be looking at a complete pulldown of this added capacity.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
Wow, with what DL is doing in SEA, I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends. Friends don't fight wars.

I don't know. When I was in elementary school, we would always call names the girls we liked the most.  
Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 21):
Just what we need at SFO, more small planes connecting major cities. I completely understand it makes sense for frequency and economics, but the delays are getting worse and worse each year.

I'd expect to see a near-term frequency jump, but ultimately something's going to give. Can VX stay 5-6 daily? Who knows? Will DL pair it down to 4-5/day?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 32):
I would expect that at least AS is mighty happy that they continue to have a very healthy monopoly in the busy (and well-served) SEA-SAN market! AS can just keep taking that money to the bank all by themselves.

If the loads are light, it might not be worth it for DL to put their own metal on the route. If seats are plentiful, why would they?

FWIW, I think that E175 will be a nice aircraft to compete with on some of these routes. I can see some AS customers choosing the DL option (assuming they can accrue miles, etc.).

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:47 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 31):
Tomorrow's UA SFO-SEA shows a CRJ, 3x CR7, a 73G, 3x 738, and a 757, so there's plenty of room to upgauge.

Agreed. And UA will want to add capacity without adding flights next summer. So I believe we'll see the RJ's removed from the route.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 14):
I don't see how anyone can say that AS and DL are good friends.

What are you talking about? They're negotiating, can't you tell?  
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 25):
I think AS just doesn't want to take DL's junk.

Oh, kind of like how DL doesn't want to take KE's or SU's junk? Sorry, couldn't resist...
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 am

I'm surprised that UA still operates 1-class CRJs on SEASFO. There's a definite lack of product consistency with that equipment serving the same market with 757s.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 36):
I'm surprised that UA still operates 1-class CRJs on SEASFO. There's a definite lack of product consistency with that equipment serving the same market with 757s.

I have been really disappointed in UA now that you mention it. The lack of product consistency is radical and absurd. Some aircraft have Wifi, some aircraft have DTV, some aircraft are new, some aircraft are torn and look like excrement, some aircraft don't even have E+, etc. I'm not saying they're a bad airline, don't get me wrong I do fly them.

Getting back on topic, What amenities do the DL E175 have? also, where are they pulling the aircraft from? Adding 6+ flights just like that must have required some aircraft shuffling around the system. Maybe plugging in ex-MEM used planes on other routes and pulling the E175 out for the SFO flights?
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 37):

The E-175s have 12 seats in F and I cannot remember the mix of Economy Comfort and Economy in the back (I want to say it's 12/60 but I'm not sure). They have WiFi and are very comfotable aircraft to fly on.
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:27 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 37):
Getting back on topic, What amenities do the DL E175 have? also, where are they pulling the aircraft from? Adding 6+ flights just like that must have required some aircraft shuffling around the system. Maybe plugging in ex-MEM used planes on other routes and pulling the E175 out for the SFO flights?

According to DL's website, it has four rows of 1st class (1X2 seating) and coach as (2X2) seating with a total of 76 seats. It has Gogo Inflight Internet. That's enough for me.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:54 am

Quoting peanuts (Reply 35):
Oh, kind of like how DL doesn't want to take KE's or SU's junk? Sorry, couldn't resist...

Exactly, but they're not trying to build a trans oceanic hub. Who *is* DL on good terms with these days  ?
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:56 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 40):
Who *is* DL on good terms with these days ?

Delta. Which just might be enough for them.  

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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:35 am

Is this SEA-SFO flight by Compass going to be marketed as another Delta Shuttle west coast route just like the SFO-LAX flights?
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting airtechy (Reply 17):

It seems the "friends" couldn't supply enough codeshare seats for Delta's rapidly expanding Seattle operation. Therefore, Delta has stepped in to take up the slack.

These expansions go so far beyond international connectivity that I just don't buy that as a reason. 6/7x to SFO is trying to gain a foothold on the route.

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
If I were at Alaska I'd be dropping the DL relationship immediately.

With what we see on the outside, I would end it too. What I see here is DL using the codeshare to gain a large enough foothold into SEA for an attempt to control it. You have to nix this now.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:51 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 43):
These expansions go so far beyond international connectivity that I just don't buy that as a reason. 6/7x to SFO is trying to gain a foothold on the route.

That was exactly my thought. If it were just a matter of route connectivity, they would run one, maybe two flights between SEA and SFO timed for connections with the international flights. This is throwing a lot more flights at the market than is needed to support connections.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:44 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 37):
also, where are they pulling the aircraft from? Adding 6+ flights just like that must have required some aircraft shuffling around the system.

Delta could improve aircraft utilization by 0.1% across the 1200+ aircraft mainline + DCI fleet and find enough hours to add these flights. This is nothing in a network the size of Delta's.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:03 am

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 33):
If the loads are light, it might not be worth it for DL to put their own metal on the route. If seats are plentiful, why would they?

IF loads were light then of course there would be no reason for DL to add their own metal on the route. Big "if". I see no reason to expect that the loads are light on AS between SAN and SEA. Do you?

AS ran 9 daily nonstop 737s on the route this last summer, and they currently fly about 7/day. AS does not generally keep empty flights on their schedule...

 

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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:18 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 46):
IF loads were light then of course there would be no reason for DL to add their own metal on the route. Big "if". I see no reason to expect that the loads are light on AS between SAN and SEA. Do you?

I wondered if my comment would fire you up a bit.  

I did say "if".

Like you, I can only guess at the load factor as well as yield on the route for AS. I say "like you" because you didn't offer any figures to the contrary.

Having said that, it might be a total goldmine for AS. However, I suspect that if it were, someone else would be trying to get a piece of the action.

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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:27 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 31):
Tomorrow's UA SFO-SEA shows a CRJ, 3x CR7, a 73G, 3x 738, and a 757, so there's plenty of room to upgauge.

Plenty of room to downgauge. SEA-LAX is all RJ - the day I looked it was 2xCRJ and 1xCR7.
 
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RE: Delta Adds SEA-SFO; Ups SEA-LAX/LAS

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:44 am

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 27):
Could SEA-PHX and SEA-SAN be coming soon as well?

I'd like to see at least a couple DL flights PDX-SEA, but chances are they will use AS/QX for this route as well.
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