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Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:10 pm

Occurred at Fiumicino airport.

No idea of type I am afraid.

Apparently the landing gear failed to lower, but that could just be media speculation.


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[Edited 2013-09-29 13:16:48]
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:12 pm

Any more details? What kind of plane and where did it happen?
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:27 pm

Summing up what Italian media are reporting:
Type is A320, flight from Madrid, sounds like a landing gear problem, with the aircraft executing one or more missed approaches, and finally landing ending up resting on the runway but tilted on one side. No reports of anyone being hurt.

[Edited 2013-09-29 14:06:52 by SA7700]
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:28 pm

My fault.... realised I had not added the location and did the first edit before I had seen MesaFlyGuy's post.   
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:38 pm

Definitely looks like the right MLG gave up on them, slides deployed.

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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:46 pm

Here is AvHerald's entry on the incident. Only photo is the same as the one posted above.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=469338e0&opt=0
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:50 pm

Landing gear doors opened so some kind of hydraulic failure maybe, combined with gravity deployment of the gears.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:24 pm

A couple more pics here.

http://www.dazebaonews.it/italia/ite...alia-fuori-pista-le-foto-esclusive

Similar accident to the Wizz Air flight (same airport and same aircraft type), but in this case the gear door seems completely closed.

[Edited 2013-09-29 14:25:16]
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:30 pm

Wonder how much damage there is to the right engine and wing. Otherwise it shouldnt take too long before getting this bird back into service.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Wonder how much damage there is to the right engine and wing. Otherwise it shouldnt take too long before getting this bird back into service.

While theoretically possible to repair machines after such traumatic landings, it is not always cost effective. It's kind of like laptop computers.

Say a laptop costs €1000 the spares that make up that laptop cost at least the double if not more - then there's the cost of labor etc.

Great news that no people were hurt.

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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 5):

Thanks. The Av Herald piece states:

Quote:
The crew subsequently prepared for an emergency landing with the right hand main gear remaining retracted due to the right main gear doors not opening.

So, this A320 landed on Nose and LMG only.

In this type of situation, would the cockpit have applied less spoiler on the right wing in order to keep the bird horizontal upon landing?
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 10):

In this type of situation, would the cockpit have applied less spoiler on the right wing in order to keep the bird horizontal upon landing?

No. There is no way to control the spoilers individually.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:11 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 11):
No. There is no way to control the spoilers individually.

Well, you could always use counter roll... but I am not sure whether it is really good an idea.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:12 pm

Quoting EY460 (Reply 7):
Similar accident to the Wizz Air flight (same airport and same aircraft type), but in this case the gear door seems completely closed.

Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:23 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

A few landing gear accident (which happen on any aircraft type) out of several thousand A320s flying does not qualify as a weak spot.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

You would not be so surprised if you care do some simple math.
When (*if* ever) the 787 will have done the same number of cycles as the A320, then, be sure, the reactions wil be as few.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:05 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

But we have seen the A320 with numerous landing gear issues over the years. It does seem to be something of an issue.

But like you said, if this were another "plane" we would have 200+ posts on what a crappy product it is.
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 17):
But like you said, if this were another "plane" we would have 200+ posts on what a crappy product it is.

And like others have said, do the math. It is not the incident alone that matters, it is the rate at which they occur that matters.
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:55 pm

The deplaning looks quite leisurely in the photo...not much pushing or shoving  
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:53 pm

EI-EIB looks to be a fairly new aircraft having been delivered brandnew to AZ in 2010, is that correct? In any case, I hope they can fix it.

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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 16):
But we have seen the A320 with numerous landing gear issues over the years. It does seem to be something of an issue.

I can't remember any accident involving this specific failure (we don't even know what kind of failure we're talking about here).

I seem to remember a few nose gear issues, involving steering, but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 18):

No Smoke, what is always good for a slow evac.  
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:59 pm

Pretty sure eacuation slides are only to be opened on the lower side of the aircraft.. Perhaps it depends on the airline or manufacturer.
 
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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:41 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 20):
I seem to remember a few nose gear issues, involving steering, but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...


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RE: Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.

Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 20):
but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.

United had a very similar incident almost 4 years ago:


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