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Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:22 am

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Rouhani orders investigating establishment of Iran-US direct flight line

Doesn't it seem too optimistic? Specially while IR still has problem for refueling at some of EU airports.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:33 am

Let's all hope that the better relationships seemingly being established can result in Iran Air and others getting more modern airliners soon. After all, there's plenty of A345's now available for starters, which might be ideal for a long THR - JFK route. I don't suppose IR 747SP's are in a fit state to run frequent flights if they were allowed to start services.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:08 am

I hope they come back. If relations are restored, I see IR taking A345s as the above post suggested.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:24 am

It's encouraging to see Rouhani seeking general appeasement and dialogue with western nations.

However, it is a little early to tell whether these are just nice words to get themselves some leniency or whether anything concrete will come out of it.

I'm sure the US and the EU would be willing to improve the diplomatic and economical relationship, starting with some direct flights, if Iran was to, for instance, allow IAEA investigators to monitor their nuclear program.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:26 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):
I don't suppose IR 747SP's are in a fit state to run frequent flights if they were allowed to start services.

That will be one hell of a nostalgic service to see those 747SPs going TATL again!
I definitely would get a hop on those for sure.

This said, I doubt seeing them fly in US. Maybe somewhere in Q4 2014 - Q1 2015.
Alot of things need to be amended before IR flies in the US again.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:34 am

Usually in these kind of political standoffs the first thing that comes back is sports not airline routes.

I bet there would be a reasonable amount of JFK-THR traffic to justify it and using an A345 would make a lot of sense--low acquisition cost, modern fleet, long legs.

But before that can happen we would have to remove sanctions on Iran. The people deserve safe airplanes to fly on regardless of the politics involved.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:39 am

There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

This is a long way off people....

there might be a better chance that Cubana lands in the U.S before Iran Air
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:31 am

There is A LOT that needs to happen before direct US-Iran flights return. Politics can move quickly in some areas, but three decades of zero relations and general mistrust can't be undone in mere months. This is something that will likely take years to eventually develop. Should relations continue to positively progress, I find it more likely that sanctions would be removed in stages to allow Iranian airlines to modernize their fleets with Airbus and Boeing aircraft. Some time thereafter, maybe we could see direct flights established to JFK, IAD, LAX, etc. This won't be a quick or easy process despite what might be the best intentions from Rouhani.
 
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Why everyone is saying 345?
I bet there is enough demand for daily 77W service between few airports in the US to THR.
But politically this might be years and years away.
 
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:57 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
I bet there is enough demand for daily 77W service between few airports in the US to THR.

I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Do you have any personal connection with Iran? If not, I strongly doubt that your individual position on that is likely to be any kind of sensible barometer for the market. As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:18 pm

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Did you read the article?

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Rouhani ordered ... for removing problems of Iranian nationals in the US.
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Caretaker of Supreme Iranian Expatriates Council Akbar Torkan.
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He expressed the hope that Iranian expatriates' coming and going would be facilitated.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:36 pm

Iran and the USA are natural allies, and Iranians love America. The streets of Tehran were packed with people demonstrating in solidarity with America on the night of 9/11, for instance. Don't believe the press who love a punch-up, or a few right wing nutjobs who love a war.

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor). The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates - OK their bread and butter on US routes is the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) but after that comes Iran. Huge traffic flows every day between US and Iran.

And plenty of Americans know how great Iran is, and go as tourists for it's archaeological treasures (Persepolis, Necropolis, Isfahan), friendly and cultured people, and ancient civilisation. I have been there ten times and there's usually been at least one American in the group, and they are always given an embarrassingly fond welcome.

I am glad the leaders are talking and I hope the (petty) differences can be ironed out. I am sure they can. Iran Air will serve JFK and LAX in the future. Maybe not tomorrow, but one day not so far away.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:56 pm

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

I don't think their comment was mean't for American's because you are correct there are Tehran would not rank high on the list of places to visit for American citizen. However you are forgetting that there are a lot of Iranians now living in the US a number that has be growing for many years so "IF" and that is a very big IF (because there is still to much tension between these 2 countries) direct or nonstop service were to every start up it would be aimed directly at Iranian ex-pat now living in the US. But there is still a problem Iranians who are now living in the US if they do travel home to Iran now they are probably traveling on EK, TK or some other Middle East airline so how will IR convince them to stop flying on EK and instead start flying on IR. I don't know how good IR's service is but we all know how good EK's onboard service is.
 
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:06 pm

what type of airplane in their fleet has the range for Tehran-LAX anyway?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 6):
There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

This is a long way off people....

there might be a better chance that Cubana lands in the U.S before Iran Air

Is that a phrase of desperation or hope?

Living in Germany - knowing about my country's history - I'm telling you that things can change dramatically in no time. What's a decade? Nothing when you look at the big picture. And when the business is right, you'll see masses of people commuting between Iran and the United States like ants

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

China isn't on my list of places to go, but that doesn't keep more than a dozen daily widebodies flying between my homenation and the Empire in the East.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Iran and the USA are natural allies, and Iranians love America. The streets of Tehran were packed with people demonstrating in solidarity with America on the night of 9/11, for instance. Don't believe the press who love a punch-up, or a few right wing nutjobs who love a war.

  

As a matter of fact, I know few nations that are so enthusiast about american culture and lifestyle. The United States are well-respected among the iranian people. They are unbelievably liberated and take the US as an example.
Politics is a whole different matter, and most iranians are quite fed up with the way the country is/was run by narrow-minded so-called "muslim" leaders.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates

And now you know who'd be the first ones to suffer from a direct Iran-US service  
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:21 pm

There's a looooot of ex-pats from Iran in the US. A personal, close friend is one of them. She told me she really supports the new prez.

But I'm starting to agree after reading a bit, it is quite optimistic..... but while it is optimistic, I would NOT be surprised ONE bit if this guy and Mr. Obama work something out.... Hell, If flights resume during my month-long Spring Vacation, I'd be one of the first Americans to fly to Iran on IR direct since the 70s, just for the heck of it.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Why everyone is saying 345?

I would say that the A345 is suitable for this route because - as others have already mentioned - there are more and more of them being second-hand resold (Isn't SQ seeking to sell theirs pretty soon?), so they are available for pretty reasonable prices, plus they have an extremely long range, plus they are quite new compared to the rest of IR's fleet, so no age restrictions to be feared.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:57 pm

A few months ago a war against Iran on its nuclear programme seemed a given fact. Yes, Iran has changed President, but Iran's Supreme Leader is still Ayatollah Khamenei. Don't expect Iran to suddenly become a friend of the West.
Anyway, on another thread we discussed about the possibility of a direct DXB-TLV flight (by QF); now we're talking about THR to the US: if these flights should ever occur, the world would really be changing ...
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):

Likewise I would say those with a personal conenction to Iran can not sensibly judge the market either. For the exact opposite reasons someone with no connection to the market cannot. No need to try an attack the dude.

The reality is, this is not, I repeat NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen anytime soon. And by that I mean, check back in 20 years, maybe but probably not.

Look the reality is our next door neighbor, Cuba, who has not been an aggressor towards us since the end of the cold war, only has the rights to overfly the country. Meanwhile, the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map. The one who won't stop until the west is "defeated" and the world is under muslim rule? And were going to allow Americans on these flights, and to travel to Tehran? Sheer Delusion.

Not going to happen. End of discussion.

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 5):
But before that can happen we would have to remove sanctions on Iran. The people deserve safe airplanes to fly on regardless of the politics involved.

That's def. not the case between the US and Cuba. We have many regular flights between the US and Cuba (albeit "charters"), even though there's still an embargo. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar agreement between Iran and the US. In fact the way things are going, I can see that happening very soon.
I know Cubana doesn't fly to the US, but Cubana and Iran Air are as different as night an day. Iran Air has a solid and long history of good safety while operating American and European aircraft.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

I actually would love to go to Iran. I can see cultural tourism being actually quite big there despite what the general political feeling is.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:11 pm

I wouldn´t be surprised if a direct route was up and running within a couple of years.
 
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Not going to happen. End of discussion.

Well, that's probably true - but I wasn't really commenting on the likeliehood of the services starting.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Likewise I would say those with a personal conenction to Iran can not sensibly judge the market either

I would say that no single individual can be an indicator really, but the fact is that one person saying "well I wouldn't go" really is less of of an indicator than someone who might well have good reason for wanting to go. I don't know whether the guy has any connection to the hypothetical market or not, which was the main reason for my response.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
For the exact opposite reasons someone with no connection to the market cannot

Again, no single comment could, but someone saying they definitely would use the market because they have a personal connection is inherently more of a positive indication than someone with no connection saying that they wouldn't.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
No need to try an attack the dude.

I genuinely fail to see how an honest, straightforward question amounts to an 'attack' in any sense whatsoever. I think that to suggest it does would plum new depths of oversensitivity here. It was nothing more than an honest question, which contained no aggression, bad language or indeed any other possible indication of representing an attack.

Again, I understand that there is a significant Persian population in some parts of the US, so surely *if* hypothetically such services did commence, in combination with a thaw in relations, I would imagine that there would be some demand. I was merely interested to know whether that user happened to have any connection to the people that in my mind might be most likely to be customers.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:41 pm

As optimistic as many may be by this "renaissance man" of this new and improved Iran, I wouldn't roll out the champagne just yet. I wonder how far this routine will go in the long-run when the world community realizes this is probably just another ploy by the Iranian govt to buy time and distract the world's attention from their pursuit of a nuclear program. We've seen this before with former Ayatollahs such as Rafsanjani and Khatami, a nice guy replaces a sabre-rattler. A few months from now, we'll be right back where we started from, a refusal by the Iranian govt to cooperate with the US or the UN. Sorry to be pessimistic, but there really isn't much coming out of this that convinces me that this guy will be any different, not unless the Iranians abandon their nuke aspirations and allow UN monitors in. And giving us back our embassy would be a great start, but I doubt that'll happen
But as far as traffic between the US and Iran. I dont see service in overwhelming numbers, regardless of the demographics of certain areas.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor).

But that doesn't necessarily translate into profit. There's probably a sizable number of those Iranians probably have little connection to Iran as probably many of them them were refugees. Many of them left prior to the revolt or leading up to it. Ive known many Iranians here in the US who have little or no desire to go back to Iran as it stirs up too many bad memories. And it probably has changed so much, they wouldn't recognise the place anyway
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor).

That made such little logical sense, I had to look it up. Not only illogical, just plain wrong and misleading. Here is what the wiki page says the US Census Bureau and others say:

In 2010, the number of self-identified Iranian Americans in the US was 448,722.[1] Iranian Americans are most likely far more numerous in the United States than census data indicate, according to research done by the Iranian Studies Group, an independent academic organization, at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). The group estimates that the number of Iranian Americans may have topped 691,000 in 2004—more than twice the figure of 338,000 cited in the 2000 U.S. census.[4]
According to extrapolated U.S. Census data and other independent surveys done by Iranian-Americans themselves in 2009, there are an estimated one million Iranian-Americans living in the U.S.,[6] with the largest concentration—about 520,000 people—living around Los Angeles.[6][27] For this reason, the L.A. area with its Iranian American residents is sometimes referred to as "Tehrangeles" or "Irangeles" among Iranian-Americans.[28] Beverly Hills and Irvine both have large communities of Iranian Americans.[2][29] Half of the nation's Iranians reside in the state of California alone. Other large communities include New York/New Jersey, which have 9.1% of the U.S.' Iranian population, followed by Washington D.C./Maryland/Virginia (8.3%) and Texas (6.7%)


As for Beverly Hills, try 15% (officially).
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:59 pm

Nice, I would like to see IAH have a flight to Tehran, either UA or Iran Air, if things work out!
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:11 pm

The hope dies last.

I am pretty sure that, if Iranian airlines would have a free choice of aircraft, they would not chose used A345.

They would go for A330 and A350s. Especially Iran Air is attached to Airbus.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:11 pm

I've read everyone's comments here about "what aircraft IR would use".

Where did anyone ever see that IR would be the one operating the route? No such suggestion was made. A US carrier has the equipment at hand and could launch the route immediately if necessary. That won't happen, but I'm saying a non-stop flight is much more likely on a US flag than on IR who do not even have the ability to fly such a flight.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:21 pm

Here's an American who'd like to go to Iran. I travel to countries because of the people I've met. I was amazed at how charming I've found the Iranian people. If we were to judge people by what the news networks portray, we'd probably never travel anywhere.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:23 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 5):
I bet there would be a reasonable amount of JFK-THR traffic to justify it and using an A345 would make a lot of sense--low acquisition cost, modern fleet, long legs.

Los Angeles is Tehran's largest U.S. O&D market - and one of it's largest O&D markets period.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:24 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map. The one who won't stop until the west is "defeated" and the world is under muslim rule? And were going to allow Americans on these flights, and to travel to Tehran? Sheer Delusion.

I'm quite convinced that, having posted this statement, you are not thinking for yourself, but thinking what war-agitator and nationalist media want you to think.
The question begs: Do you know Iranians? Have you ever been to the Middle East and for that matter: Do you have Muslim friends? If you can answer all with "yes", then you've got me thinking that you may have a point. But if not, I'm afraid it's quite destructive propaganda you are shouting out - and when it comes to hard facts, you're standing on shaky ground.
I'm politely asking you to rethink your attitude towards Iran - a country where there are men, women and children wanting to live in peace, pray to God and go about their business with the Golden Rule in the back of their mind, just like folks in the US.

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Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 24):
But that doesn't necessarily translate into profit. There's probably a sizable number of those Iranians probably have little connection to Iran as probably many of them them were refugees. Many of them left prior to the revolt or leading up to it. Ive known many Iranians here in the US who have little or no desire to go back to Iran as it stirs up too many bad memories. And it probably has changed so much, they wouldn't recognise the place anyway

Quite a lot of probables for one paragraph.
Let me say it like this: I personally know about 30 Iranian(-European) families, roughly a third of my good and best friends are of Iranian descent. You may not believe me, but 90% of them work as or are about to be either Surgeons, Dentists, Engineers or Carpet Sellers. They've got money!
ALL of them are religious refugees, but that has not prevented them from making a good living. What goes for Europe must go for the US too. They are not rock-bottom folks, they have to much pride, wisdom and persevearance to become poor. And I know that all of them have family-ties to Iran. If they could, they would definitely visit Iran more often. Religious persecution unfortunately still hinders them from entering the country.
Point being: A once daily 345 to JFK or LAX is absolutely makeable. It would generate money, I'm 100% sure of that.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 28):
I've read everyone's comments here about "what aircraft IR would use".

Where did anyone ever see that IR would be the one operating the route? No such suggestion was made. A US carrier has the equipment at hand and could launch the route immediately if necessary. That won't happen, but I'm saying a non-stop flight is much more likely on a US flag than on IR who do not even have the ability to fly such a flight.

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting chieft (Reply 27):
They would go for A330 and A350s. Especially Iran Air is attached to Airbus.

The A350 yes but that would be way in the future. No A330 has the range to fly THR-US non-stop and I wonder if even the A346 could given the 4,000ft elevation of THR.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
The reality is, this is not, I repeat NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen anytime soon. And by that I mean, check back in 20 years, maybe but probably not.

Do you think you would have said the same thing about the USSR in 1988? Things changed dramatically in just a few short years in that situation, what makes you think it can't here?

As was mentioned by someone above, a lot can change in even a decade if we give it a chance.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 31):
I'm quite convinced that, having posted this statement, you are not thinking for yourself, but thinking what war-agitator and nationalist media want you to think.

I agree with this statement.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor). The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates - OK their bread and butter on US routes is the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) but after that comes Iran. Huge traffic flows every day between US and Iran.

TK does the same.

US - Iran traffic is greatly underestimated. Persian expats routinely go back and forth, but they are forced to go with intermediaries.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:03 pm

I find it quite nice and refreshing to read this news story. Whether it's feasible or not, just knowing it's being considered makes me happy and optimistic in this day and age.

A ball that from all sides has been held steadily in place for a very long time finally showed some movement again. It might take some time but for me this is a good start.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 35):
TK does the same.

TK is a very active carrier of Iran-US traffic. Quite a few Iranians that I know in Boston use TK for the ease of connections to their hometowns ... 4 cities served in Iran ... and no visa needed to go to Turkey, so they can get a stopover too. Almost ALL of them even got their US visas from Turkey too.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
No A330 has the range to fly THR-US non-stop and I wonder if even the A346 could given the 4,000ft elevation of THR.

Actually you dot need ULH frame for this operation

THR is indeed at 4000ft/1220m elevation, but all of LH flights out of Teheran operate out of IKA witch is at 3000ft/1000m elevation

IKA-JFK is 9881km GC distance and IKA-LAX 12250km

So for JFK an A332 will suffice, and for LAX A343 or 77E
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:13 pm

The mere fact that this is being considered brings a smile to my face. Sure, it's still a long way off (if ever), and sure, everyone is being overly optimistic, but surely that's a good thing, right?

In a practical sense, what needs to happen for for IR to fly to US again? Would it be something that the DOT can do by itself or would it require legislation in Congress?

What needs to happen for a US carrier to be able to fly to Iran? I've heard Delta being mentioned by Iranian press, but wouldn't they require exemption from a lot of current sanctions?

Assuming that IR would still not be able to buy any new aircraft, does it have any equipment to be able to fly direct THR-JFK right now? What's the condition of those 747SP? Are they still flying?

As an aviation enthusiast, what I wouldn't give to see a IR 747SP fly THR-JFK daily schedule again. It would look, so... majestic!
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 31):
I personally know about 30 Iranian(-European) families, roughly a third of my good and best friends are of Iranian descent. You may not believe me, but 90% of them work as or are about to be either Surgeons, Dentists, Engineers or Carpet Sellers. They've got money!
ALL of them are religious refugees, but that has not prevented them from making a good living. What goes for Europe must go for the US too. They are not rock-bottom folks, they have to much pride, wisdom and persevearance to become poor. And I know that all of them have family-ties to Iran. If they could, they would definitely visit Iran more often. Religious persecution unfortunately still hinders them from entering the country.

I never made any inferences into their financial situation, so i'm not sure where you drew that conclusion. The point I was making was that they've built a life here in this country from their origins that they have less allegiance to. I can't speak intelligently for people I don't know(nor do I pretend to), but I can tell you that not "every" Iranian here in the US is dying to get back to Iran. Many Iranians I've come to know, have a very skeptical, if not dubious opinion of what the Iranian gov't does. To them its all for show and is not enough to convince them that returning to Iran is a priority.
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
Do you have any personal connection with Iran? If not, I strongly doubt that your individual position on that is likely to be any kind of sensible barometer for the market. As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.

It could actually have the potential to be a market like IST. But, first of all...before anything happens...Pastor Saeed Abedini must be released from Evin prison immediately!

[Edited 2013-09-30 11:30:21]
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 6):
There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

You may not be old enough to remember it, but at one time we had pretty good relations with Iran. And, don't make the mistake of associating the citizens of a country with it's leadership. If you open your eyes and mind a bit, you will find that most people are very similar.

It make take a while for this to happen, but it's certainly possible. Yes, Cuba may happen first. Very few countries, aside from the US still have sanctions against Cuba.

[Edited 2013-09-30 11:24:01]
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 39):
As an aviation enthusiast, what I wouldn't give to see a IR 747SP fly THR-JFK daily schedule again. It would look, so... majestic!

When the Shah was around and IR flew its 747SP to JFK they stopped at LHR on the way to NYC and nonstop back to Tehran.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:30 pm

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Why not? How much do you really know about Tehran, or Iran. You have no desire to learn about other places and cultures? Unfortunately a typical American (USA) viewpoint.

In all fairness, I was one of you (typical Americans) until I gave travel the opportunity to open my mind.
 
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
When the Shah was around and IR flew its 747SP to JFK they stopped at LHR on the way to NYC and nonstop back to Tehran.

Was that to refuel? Or to pick up connecting passengers at LHR?

I always though the SP had the legs to do THR-JFK non-stop, but perhaps I am mistaken. And I assume those enignes would have been a tad more efficient when they were new, as opposed to now.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:55 pm

I would love to visit Iran. By all accounts, the Iranian people are extremely hospitable and as described in multiple posts above...very in tune with US popular culture. Persian history and culture are fascinating and the biggest mistake Americans make about Iran is that is just another Arab country (and I am not knocking Arab culture)...many of us tend to see one large part of the world we do not understand as a homogenous entity. I would feel safer walking the streets of Tehran than Chicago. Iranians are closer to us than we want to give them credit for.
If the US can move on with Japan after they bombed Pearl Harbor, and they can move on with us after we destroyed two of their cities with nuclear bombs..it is time to get on with it and start to acknowledge the things that can bring us together versus dwell on those that divide us.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:03 pm

People seem to forget that the revolution was to get rid of the American imposed dictator, the Shah, and his savage SAVAK secret police. The US and UK conspired to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 and the people had to suffer through 30 years of tyrannical rule...they didn't revolt just to have a wacky good time...they were suffering. When the Ayatollahs seem like a good idea, you know things are pretty grim.

Iran would be one of the best tourist destinations in the middle east. It is steeped in a rich history. It's an amazingly diverse and beautiful country and it has a young, educated, sophisticated population. Half of the 80 million people in the country are under 35.

Iran was one of the more surprising and interesting places I've been to. I landed in the downtown airport in Tehran in 2007, (working for an American company), and was the only white person in a very crowded airport. Many people spoke english and the prevailing attitude towards me was curiosity...mostly about life in America.

Because of a miscommunication with work, I had to walk a couple of miles through Tehran carrying a backpack and dragging a rollerbag. Not only was I not threatened, but every person who approached me asked if I was lost and offered to help. Trust me...I didn't blend in, even a little and everybody automatically assumed I was American...and I wasn't Jihadded...even a little.

Iranians are more than educated and civilized enough to differentiate between the American government and American citizens...and I met quite a few Americans in Iran...and while officially, US companies were not supposed to do business in Iran, none of this was happening in secret and it was obvious that it was unofficially sanctioned.

The emnity between Iran and the US is nothing more than political and media sensationalism. Nothing gets more bombers built than a really good enemy.

The normalization of relations between the US and Iran is long past due and it would be a huge benefit to both countries.

We have a way to go before we get direct flights, but the goal is certainly worthwhile.

[Edited 2013-09-30 12:04:54]
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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.

If the visa process both ways was 'simple enough,' I'm certain of the demand.

Quoting lugie (Reply 17):
I would say that the A345 is suitable for this route because - as others have already mentioned - there are more and more of them being second-hand resold (Isn't SQ seeking to sell theirs pretty soon?)

SQ has already sold theirs. There are A346s ex-VS also available and two EK A345s begging for a buyer. The 77Ws are in high demand. If anything happens, only the A345/A346 would be available quickly.

Quoting SANflyr (Reply 46):
it is time to get on with it and start to acknowledge the things that can bring us together versus dwell on those that divide us.

Agree... until I realize Iran is building nukes and there is "Death to America" everywhere. Even in marble at nice hotels!
IMHO, as long as Iran fails to recognize the right for Israel to exist, it would be impossible to normalize relations.

Quoting copter808 (Reply 42):
It make take a while for this to happen, but it's certainly possible. Yes, Cuba may happen first. Very few countries, aside from the US still have sanctions against Cuba.

We aren't close with Iran, but I would agree close with Cuba. It would only take a little negotiation to make Cuba happen.


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RE: Iran Seeks Direct Flights To USA

Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 pm

Obama needs to get approval from his boss Benjamin Netanyahu and the folks over at AIPAC....

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