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Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:21 pm

Starting #105 here

Here is an article compiling some statistics of AI's YOY performance:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...d/articleshow/24056760.cms?curpg=2

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In other news:

* SG, 6E have been granted permission to start IXC - DXB flights

* SG has got permission to fly RUH - LKO, COK - DMM and IXM - DXB
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:15 pm

Air Costa failed to start today, they are hopeful of starting ops tomorrow. Bummer about the delay!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:25 pm

AI switched to B787 on DEL-HKG-ICN route today with VT-ANL.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 2):
AI switched to B787 on DEL-HKG-ICN route today with VT-ANL.

Thats nice.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Air Costa failed to start today, they are hopeful of starting ops tomorrow. Bummer about the delay!

Yeah. Seemandhra is burning with discontent and power blackouts and these guys want to start an airline from there??
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:16 am

Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers? Have heard conflicting info on this, and the DGCA circulars don't seem to talk to this -- they talk of photography FROM the aircraft.

In my experience over the years, AI and 9W seem quite relaxed about it on international flights. But have been stopped by KFA, SpiceJet, and the old IC on domestic flights.

Thanks.
 
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Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:00 pm

Did VT-ANL gone tech @SYD? Any details.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:59 am

Tata SQ JV cleared by the FIPB.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bus...apore-airlines-venture_975878.html

Anyone got any ideas on when we can expect them to start, what the fleet might look like, etc? Would SQ be lending them planes a la Scoot, or would they place fresh orders?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:25 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 7):
Anyone got any ideas on when we can expect them to start, what the fleet might look like, etc? Would SQ be lending them planes a la Scoot

Unlikely SQ since Tata-SIA will not want wide-bodies, at least until they can go international. Perhaps Silkair? Or just procure / lease new aircraft.

In any case, FIPB approval is just one hurdle. May be a long trek ahead yet. Just ask EY-9W or even Air Asia India!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:46 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 8):
In any case, FIPB approval is just one hurdle. May be a long trek ahead yet. Just ask EY-9W or even Air Asia India!

Interesting you say that. While there are tons of things that need to improve in Civil Aviation in India, I thought the EY-9W deal, the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA application were actually cleared in good time. Air Asia India will probably fly in 1Q 2014. How much quicker do you want the process to be?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
I thought the EY-9W deal, the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA application were actually cleared in good time. Air Asia India will probably fly in 1Q 2014. How much quicker do you want the process to be?

I dunno, I get the feeling James Hogan and Tony F may disagree.

Sure from the Aviation and Finance ministry and FIPB perspective these were cleared pretty quick, but only to hit other approval delays that have caused their plans to slip repeatedly beyond their target dates, with prospects of them being delayed further due to litigation. Which is why I would not read too much into just FIPB clearance, it is only one hurdle.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
the EY-9W deal

Under review with Supreme Court.

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA

These may not even be legal under current law, law is not clear if 49% foreign investment is allowed in start-ups, currently with High Court, can go to Supreme Court. Amendment to law may be required to allow start-ups with 49% FDI.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:04 pm

An article on how AI has reduced the flights out of BOM

Mumbai reduced to a non-metro by Air India

Quote:
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No matter how cynical you are, you will find it hard to change Mumbai's status to that of a non-metro. But on Air India's route map, that is exactly what the city has been reduced to.

The national carrier no longer operates direct flights from the city to destinations like Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Frankfurt, Paris, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Chicago, New York, Nairobi, Durban and Dar es Salaam, among others.
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No matter how cynical you are, you will find it hard to change Mumbai's status to that of a non-metro. But on Air India's route map, that is exactly what the city has been reduced to.

The national carrier no longer operates direct flights from the city to destinations like Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Frankfurt, Paris, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Chicago, New York, Nairobi, Durban and Dar es Salaam, among others.
...

It is a shame that AI has let go of BOM. While I don't disagree with DEL becoming the focus city, it sounds sort of stupid to give up on an established hub. They could have built up DEL while maintaining DEL with some smart use of resources, including going in for leases etc.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 4):
Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers? Have heard conflicting info on this, and the DGCA circulars don't seem to talk to this -- they talk of photography FROM the aircraft.

Over the years (and I'm talking like last 25 odd years) I've taken pics inside AI planes on several occasions.......on one occasion, even got the IFS to take a pic of me in my seat......I've taken pics inside the cockpit and never been stopped....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 4):
Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers?

I have written an article on this subject with the links to the respective circulars. However A.net rules prohibit me from posting the link to my site. So please visit and in the search box look up "DGCA rules photography".

Inside the aircraft though, it is a privilege extended by the airline not a right, since it is their property. Shooting from the aircraft, outside, is technically not a prerogative of the crew. That's where the DGCA circulars coming in to play. Shooting standing on the tarmac is not allowed, and for heavens sake do not try taking photos at defence airports like Pune, Jodhpur, Guwahati, Srinagar, Leh, etc.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting blrsea (Reply 12):
it sounds sort of stupid to give up on an established hub.

What kind of established hub did AI have at BOM? All they had were odd 3 weekly flights to different destinations. And how could they further expand in a slot constrained airport with no room / infrastructure to expand?

As for the routes mentioned in the article:

SIN - Served nonstop from Mumbai as of last month. They had to terminate the nonstop flights since the 2x 330's had to be taken out for Hajj Operations. Besides, the old 320's are being retired, hence there is a shortage of narrow body fleet to serve the existing routes.

KUL - Cancelled since it was loss making. If AI wants to make profits, then they had to drop such routes. AIX still operates to KUL.

NRT / KIX / HKG - All were milk runs via DEL. And they are still operated as such. The only difference is that the BOM-DEL segment is done by a narrowbody international connector flight.

ORD - Was operated as a one stop via CDG / FRA. Still operated as a one stop via DEL.

JFK - Was operated as a one stop via FRA / LHR. Still operated as a one stop via DEL. AI 101 / 102 is a same plane service from BOM to JFK.

EWR - Was operated as a one stop via CDG. Now non-stop to EWR from BOM.

NBO / DAR - As and when AI has more 787's, these routes will be launched from BOM only.

CDG / FRA - AI never managed to serve them with terminator flights. The brief period when FRA had terminator flights, the same were again operated via DEL.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:15 am

Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...ules-on-taking-photographs-of.html
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 15):

nice summary !

Slight correction,

BOM-HKG was a 5x terminator service at one point on the 310s, it was removed as it was one of those gifts by PP to Lalajet .
my father has flown it several times

KUL, I don't think it was anyways non stop from BOM.

This Toilet of India article is absolute trash, they have given examples of PEK on AI , when AI does not even operate there

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:47 pm

Quoting VTORD (Reply 16):
Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201....html

Thanks very much VTORD and Devesh, much appreciated.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 17):
This Toilet of India article is absolute trash


Haha 

  
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:46 am

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 6):
Did VT-ANL gone tech @SYD? Any details.

Yes, though the below article mentions MEL, the incident did happen in SYD.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/o...ner-in-Oz/articleshow/24680693.cms


ANH is also grounded in DEL since Monday. They did a test flight over DEL yesterday but it still seems to be grounded.

ANN was operating the SYD-MEL route yesterday and gates were closed on time at 1345. But the aircraft didn't push back till 1700.

ANL operated ATQ-DEL yesterday and went tech. The DEL-BHX leg was then operated by VT-ANK.

ANI went to CCU yesterday (AI 20) and hasn't returned back (another grounding). AI 701 was operated by A321.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 18):

You are welcome.

Quoting VTORD (Reply 16):
Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201....html

   Thanks very much.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:01 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 17):
This Toilet of India article is absolute trash, they have given examples of PEK on AI , when AI does not even operate there

Newspapers need to recruit Aviation correspondents who qualify for the position......
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:04 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 20):

As always thanks for sharing interesting tidbits. There is a pattern emerging with B787 TDR. If you fly to a station with B787 relatively large experienced maintenance staff like DEL/LHR/FRA they will be able to take care. If you are flying to a station which sees one or two B787s a day, most likely you will get stuck. I suppose B787 program is breeding a small group of elite engineers. I want to see what QR will do on DOH-BLR. With AI switching back BLR to A320, AAB may have to change equipment.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 23):
If you fly to a station with B787 relatively large experienced maintenance staff like DEL/LHR/FRA

AI has had their 787's stuck for more than 24 hrs. even in CDG and FRA.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 23):
With AI switching back BLR to A320

With the winter schedule kicking in today, BLR is back to 787. Although today's flight was clubbed with the MAA flight due to 787 shortage at DEL.


Today's 787 Update: ANN had to turn back to MEL within an hour after its departure. It is still grounded in MEL. ANI flew back to DEL from CCU. ANI and ANH are grounded in DEL.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting sankaps (Reply 18):
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 21):

  
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:15 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 24):
Today's 787 Update: ANN had to turn back to MEL within an hour after its departure. It is still grounded in MEL. ANI flew back to DEL from CCU. ANI and ANH are grounded in DEL.

Was this the 'semi-emergency' AI 787 that had to return due to flaperon problems? There is mention of it on avherald.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 26):

Was this the 'semi-emergency' AI 787 that had to return due to flaperon problems?

Yes, its the same flight.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:26 am

I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:06 pm

Hi,

I did a search on google but couldn't find an answer.
Is Vijayawada Airport and Gannavaram Airport the same Airport?

Thanks
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:11 pm

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 29):

Yes
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:12 pm

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 29):
Is Vijayawada Airport and Gannavaram Airport the same Airport?

Both are same. Vijayawada is the closest city and Gannavaram is the name of place where the airport is located which serves Vijayawada.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:58 am

Thanks,
I was thinking that maybe there were 2 airports serving Vijayawada which didn't make sense to me as VGA is very small.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:01 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

Yes, this story is all over facebook timeline.....

I noticed this in Paris at the Eiffel Tower entrance. A bus full of Indians (on a guided tour) were literally herded in as cattle. The usher apparantly learnt a few hindi words due to his frewuent handling of Indians and kept shouting "chalo chalo" to the poor tourists.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:06 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 33):
I noticed this in Paris at the Eiffel Tower entrance. A bus full of Indians (on a guided tour) were literally herded in as cattle. The usher apparantly learnt a few hindi words due to his frewuent handling of Indians and kept shouting "chalo chalo" to the poor tourists.

Well nobody likes to hear the world racism, but it's there hidden under a 'polite' veneer in many parts of the world. There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA. Anybody had any similar experiences at LHR?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:54 am

I have not had such a harrowing experience. Not even close nor do I know anybody who has. But about 2 years ago I was flying BOM-ORD via CDG and about 30 of us were called forward for "random" checks before boarding the DL flight to ORD at CDG. They looked in my bag, my passport, some papers and asked the questions about who packed it and if it had ever been out of sight and so on. I did not say anything but I remember thinking to myself as I looked around that the check looked anything but random. There was 1 African-American person, 1 Caucasian person and the rest were all people who had no doubt originated their flight somewhere in South Asia or Middle East.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:35 pm

Quoting BigTom (Reply 34):
There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA

I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Quote:
I was on a UA/ LH connection at FRA earlier this year (ticket on UA stock), the UA flight IAD-FRA was delayed. When i got to FRA, missed my FRA-BLR connection, went to the UA counter, was immediately given a confirmed routing via LH (FRA-DXB) + EK (DXB-BLR), new tickets issued and boarding pass till DXB issued in minutes. Bags automatically re-routed as well. Shit happens, it's how you deal with it that counts. AF has screwed up big time here.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

Could you please post a pointer. Not aware about this.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 36):
I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Nice job by UA. What about the DXB-BLR bp?

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting aarbee (Reply 37):
Nice job by UA. What about the DXB-BLR bp?

Got off at DXB, passed security, there was an EK ticket counter right there, stood in the queue, and walked away with the boarding tag and my bags transfer confirmed. Took time due to the queue, but the actual processing was smooth as UA/ LH had created the ticket for EK's sector.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:26 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 36):
. Quoting BigTom (Reply 34):
There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA

I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Quote:
I was on a UA/ LH connection at FRA earlier this year (ticket on UA stock), the UA flight IAD-FRA was delayed. When i got to FRA, missed my FRA-BLR connection, went to the UA counter, was immediately given a confirmed routing via LH (FRA-DXB) + EK (DXB-BLR), new tickets issued and boarding pass till DXB issued in minutes. Bags automatically re-routed as well. Shit happens, it's how you deal with it that counts. AF has screwed up big time here.


Nimish, I guess you were looked well after because of your 1K status with UA."

Any idea how passengers who dint have status were looked after.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:38 am

It's seems that the BRU stays as 9W expressed its "long-term commitment" to BRU. Any thoughts?

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...waits-panel-nod/article5268093.ece

What a saga...
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:56 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 39):
Nimish, I guess you were looked well after because of your 1K status with UA."

Any idea how passengers who dint have status were looked after.

On this flight - I was actually flying with no status on UA - just a regular "entry-level" member. I was earning miles on UA, and was not a status holder on UA as yet (screenshot below shows zero bonus miles, even silver gets 25% bonus miles on UA's MP)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5933/rdxo.jpg

From what I remember, all the pax on the flight headed to BLR were rebooked on this routing. I don't think anyone had any issues or discrimination.

Off topic, but despite everyone to BLR being routed via DXB, yet the LH FRA-DXB was probably only 30% full - I had a full 4 seat section to myself...
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:09 pm

Quoting OOSGB (Reply 40):
It's seems that the BRU stays as 9W expressed its "long-term commitment" to BRU. Any thoughts?

That is non-answer answer.

EY is in lot of trouble by meddling with 9W management before deal is closed. Moving from BRU to AMS is one of those.

Now the deal is under court review and GoI found a potential way out (awaiting clearance from CCI), 9W is playing safe.

I was under the impression Cabinet Committee approval(subject to litigation) is final step in Indian bureaucracy, but they always pull a rabbit out.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:01 pm

Quoting aarbee (Reply 37):
Could you please post a pointer. Not aware about this.

I posted it here on A.net. Check the thread out.

One Night In Paris - Air France Complaint Blog... (by buck3y3nut Oct 29 2013 in Aviation Polls)
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:03 pm

Haven't followed these threads in quite a while now, hope to be back and regular now! Flew out of BLR during the day for the first time in ageeees this past weekend and noticed that the terminal extension work is progressing well! The last gate in the international pier appeared to have a two-level, three arm aerobridge! Glad to see them preparing for the A380 despite the present ban. Sorry if this has been posted before! Will try to take a photo the next time.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:57 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 41):
On this flight - I was actually flying with no status on UA - just a regular "entry-level" member. I was earning miles on UA, and was not a status holder on UA as yet (screenshot below shows zero bonus miles, even silver gets 25% bonus miles on UA's MP)

Interesting...thanks for sharing that

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:44 am

I Dont think i had posted this earlier here,

But VT-ALA, VH-ALB, VT-ALC, VT-ALF and VT-ALG are the designated aircrafts to go to EY

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 am

Noticed something on the DEL Airport Website today. It seems that AI had plans to launch Moscow in the Winter 2013 schedule and the schedules had been submitted to DGCA / DEL Airport. But the flights are not being launched (Due to 787 shortage?).

I have previously seen DEL airport load all flights on their website for which they have schedules available without confirming from the airline whether they will be operating the same or not.

 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:42 pm

Yes, Moscow ; Rome - Milan; and Manchester should be announced in the coming months.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 47):
Noticed something on the DEL Airport Website today. It seems that AI had plans to launch Moscow in the Winter 2013 schedule and the schedules had been submitted to DGCA / DEL Airport. But the flights are not being launched (Due to 787 shortage?).

I think ANK loosing panel and quite a few going tech is quick succession dampened AI plans to expand. I think they need quick deliveries. AI is scheduled to get two in Nov and probably two in Dec.