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New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:57 am

Link to old thread New Zealand Aviation Part 135 (by ZKOJH Oct 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:15 am

From the previous thread

Quoting nz2 (Reply 201):
hate to be a no show and be stuck till next week!

Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Quoting koruman (Reply 210):
I don't understand the contradiction of Air NZ stating that they are adopting a low-yield leisure configuration for the 789, aimed at China, yet it will include lie-flat Business Premier and Premium Economy cabins

Its known as streamlining their long haul offering to a one service type on every aircraft
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:09 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Totally. Yes to being stuck in Hawaii, and yes to a short ride on a 717!

Following on from the scheduling discussion to HNL from the previous thread, I sincerely hope NZ increases 763 frequency, rather than a four weekly 772. Firstly, as this is a route I usually travel Y I prefer the 763 config; and secondly on each of my previous trips to Hawaii the scheduling hasn't been entirely convenient.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:12 am

To the guy who said you would be stuck until next week, you could have chosen HA that flies the route 3x a week.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:12 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Yep way ahead of you, we had last week in Kona for the Ironman (on HA 717's), this week in Waikiki was the relax part. As I speak I can have just returned from Dukes Canoe Club and the ever present pan flute player tunes are wofing up to our balcony....very nice spot!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:10 am

At the end of the last thread, ZK-NBT suggested amending the Honolulu timetable as follows:
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Instead of the current
AKL 1100 HNL 2130
HNL 2300 AKL 0600

would you change it to say

AKL 1930 HNL 0600
HNL 0730 AKL 1430
or
AKL 0100 HNL 1130
HNL 2230 AKL 0530

Just at the moment connections from Australia (bar PER) require an overnight stay in AKL. A 1430 arrival to AKL can connect to the afternoon SYD/MEL/BNE flights but its an early start in HNL. But a 1930 departure from AKL gives BNE and MEL pax the option of long haul J and W the whole way, atleast once HNL is a 789.

A 0100 AKL departure connects from the late SYD/MEL/BNE/OOL flights but my proposal is that the aircraft would have a similar return as the current NZ9 to AKL.
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My preferred model would probably be the last of the options - the one with overnight flights both ways and 11 hours on the tarmac, but it's not great utilisation.

When Air Australia opened BNE-HNL I wrote that Brisbane and Melbourne were grievously underserviced and that I thought both could sustain Honolulu flights.

Now Jetstar and Hawaiian are operating them 3x weekly.

My preferred model would be for Air New Zealand to operate a joint venture with Virgin Australia flying what is effectively a triangle route for positioning purposes (but not passenger purposes). It would involve aircraft flying:

AKL-BNE-HNL-AKL-MEL-HNL-AKL-HNL-AKL and then repeating the order.

This would involve far greater utilisation than the double overnight model above, and I don't really think that the AKL stop would be a deterrent to Aussie passengers as at least it wouldn't be overnight like it currently is outbound.

On a day in which AKL-BNE was operated by this plane in the morning, there would also be a later widebody service.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:43 am

Does anyone know what ANZ6002 is about? Operated by ZK-NCL flying over the Philippines.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 5):
Instead of the current
AKL 1100 HNL 2130
HNL 2300 AKL 0600

would you change it to say

AKL 1930 HNL 0600
HNL 0730 AKL 1430
or
AKL 0100 HNL 1130
HNL 2230 AKL 0530

I remember back in 2006 NZ had on the days HNL operated a double service with a morning and evening departure from HNL. I booked myself on the evening departure from HNL to enable a full day in HNL before flying home. Sadly NZ cancelled all the evening HNL departures and just had the morning departure. One VERY boring flight back it was!

IMHO option 2 or 3 with the AKL departure and option 3 with the HNL departure would be better. To enable better aircraft usage maybe extend the flight onto IAH before the return sector? Yes the IAH loads would be crap but it would enable another USA option and I'm sure the passengers would prefer to clear customs at HNL instead of LAX even if IAH isn't their final destination.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 6):
Does anyone know what ANZ6002 is about? Operated by ZK-NCL flying over the Philippines.

The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:03 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 8):
The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted

Surely the the 763 wont get the repaint? with 3x 789 arriving next year there days are numbered.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Surely the the 763 wont get the repaint? with 3x 789 arriving next year there days are numbered.

You would think so, but we haven't had a formal announcement of their retirement yet, unless I'm wrong?
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:00 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
I remember back in 2006 NZ had on the days HNL operated a double service with a morning and evening departure from HNL. I booked myself on the evening departure from HNL to enable a full day in HNL before flying home. Sadly NZ cancelled all the evening HNL departures and just had the morning departure. One VERY boring flight back it was!

I found the unscheduled Sat morning flight back quite nice actually, instead of being in no mans land after hotel check out on Friday (though we had planned to beach the afternoon and use friends hotel room to shower prior to airport) and we could relax the whole day and enjoy another nice meal out.

The flight itself was great, they did not sell Y+ seats as premium but we were lucky enough to be seated in that section, due to the 12 hour delay the whole plane recieved full service and plenty of drinks. Another 3 movies now ticked off!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:14 pm

A couple more awards for Air NZ, one of which is in China:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU131...r-two-global-travel-accollades.htm

"Air NZ receives another two global travel accollades"

Readers of the prestigious Condé Nast Traveler magazine have named Air New Zealand one of the top five international airlines in the world and in China the airline has been named in the top 10 at the country’s annual China Travel + Leisure awards.


That's quite a shelf of awards it has collected this year, but "accollades"??? Can't the newspapers afford spell-checkers anymore?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:42 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Readers of the prestigious Condé Nast Traveler

Not quite what I found when looking at the website

http://www.cntraveller.com/awards/re...s-2013/best-airline-airport-cruise

Not that it really matters. It always intrigues me how the mainstream media pick up on voluntary voting based articles from magazine articles, and report it in the same way as they would quality scientific research. In particular the way they present Skytrax results - really nothing more than an internet blog site - as being gospel, really irks me.

I'm reminded of the old researchers' adage "a bunch of anecdotes put together does not equal data".

It's a shame, because we're not talking about something that's particularly difficult to study. Much of the hard product is rigid parametric data, and easy to do valid comparisons on. Passenger satisfaction surveys, if carried out prospectively would have validity too. It's a shame no-one in the travel media can be bothered to do if properly; if done so I suspect NZ would do seriously well.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:50 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 13):
In particular the way they present Skytrax results - really nothing more than an internet blog site - as being gospel, really irks me.

I take the view that there's no such thing as bad publicity - LOL.

That Air NZ even gets mentioned in these international forums is enough for me. Perhaps we have different perceptions of NZ's status in the world?

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Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I take the view that there's no such thing as bad publicity - LOL

Indeed, and taking it one step further there's nothing bad about GOOD publicity even if it stems from bad research. But it could just as easily work the other way. No airline wants to become the new Garuda based on a bogus Skytrax article.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
That Air NZ even gets mentioned in these international forums is enough for me. Perhaps we have different perceptions of NZ's status in the world?

Well, I wouldn't have said NZ is so insignificant that we have to get all magnanimously grateful for the fact the media take time out from mentioning the "proper" airlines. I'd summarise it by saying NZ is a small player with regional prominence that punches well above its weight, particularly in the LAX-LHR market.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:17 am

Fire fighters were called to Hawkes Bay Airport this morning after a small fire in the NZ staff room. The fire resulted in the delayed take off of a WLG bound ATR flight

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...refighters-called-to-airport-blaze

All right....who left the toaster going?
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 15):
I'd summarise it by saying NZ is a small player with regional prominence that punches well above its weight, particularly in the LAX-LHR market.

  

Well above its weight, I agree.

It's just that I'm not sure ow these things can be organized differently. I don't know of any peer group awards, like the Oscars, say, and even they are somewhat suspect - the peer group tends to have its own favourites, or Fanny Bloggs "deserves" it this year, or Warners spent millions on pressies for the Academy members.

So I tend to regard these awards as valid as any other, and if there are sufficient readers in China, say, who have even heard of Air NZ, I think it's a good thing.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:26 am

The Government are now stepping into the issues of high regional airfares during a speech at the New Zealand Airports Association conference in Blenheim on Friday.

Competition on the main trunk routes between Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch had kept fares "definitely" in line with CPI cost of living inflation.

But airfares to some regional centres had not been in line with the CPI, he said.

Regional airfares presented a challenge for both regions and airlines, Mr Brownlee said.

There was often not enough demand for more than one carrier on a regional route, so there was limited or no competition and little capacity for it.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...6926/Cost-of-flights-on-Govt-radar

Another perfect example of someone IMHO who doesn't understand/know/grasp the costs involved of operating regional aircraft but I'll give credit to him for admitting that the high costs of fares doesn't present a challenge for some regions and the airline
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:09 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
Another perfect example of someone IMHO who doesn't understand/know/grasp the costs involved of operating regional aircraft but I'll give credit to him for admitting that the high costs of fares doesn't present a challenge for some regions and the airline

Yes.

The only regional route I fly with any regularity is AKL-WAG. Usually, the fares I get amount to around $250 each way. For that I get an easy check in, 40 minutes in a Beech 1900 (rescuing me from a 6 hour partially horrendous drive); two well trained crew and the benefit of an entire airline infrastructure.

I actually don't consider this to be too bad a deal.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:08 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 19):
I actually don't consider this to be too bad a deal.

I tend to agree and that is largely what I pay one way for frequent flexible AKL-GIS vv one-way tickets, even better they're often in the Dash 8 which has somewhere to put a carry-on bag. That said pricing doesn't seemed to have changed with the up-gauge of a lot of flights onto the more economical 50 seater.

Where a lot of people seem to find it expensive, as I have had are on multi-city itinerary or flying from one regional airport to another through a golden-triangle hub. For example even to me $654 for a GIS-DUD return seems a bit up there when it's just a Smart Saver fare. Don't get me started on the per sector credit card charges either, that really is wrong.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:08 am

Does anyone know why NZ is operating a flight SYD-YVR tomorrow evening?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:59 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know why NZ is operating a flight SYD-YVR tomorrow evening?

They're not operating it for AC? What equipment are they using, it's a long way?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 22):

On the NZ online timetable, SYD website and flightaware as a 772. Departing in the evening and the AC flight is still scheduled. NZ119 operates AKL-SYD and then it heads up to YVR..
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Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:54 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 23):
On the NZ online timetable, SYD website and flightaware as a 772. Departing in the evening and the AC flight is still scheduled. NZ119 operates AKL-SYD and then it heads up to YVR..

The Air NZ timetable has NZ 1084 SYD-YVR as 15hrs 10m while AC 034 SYD-YVR is 14hrs 05m, 1hr 05m longer on NZ. Same on Flightaware, NZ 1084 SYD-YVR 14hrs 50m and AC 034 SYD-YVR 13hrs 45m, again 1hr 05m longer on NZ.

An en-route stop for fuel?

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:03 am

It's a special flight to accomodate a very large tour group. Not a charter, just a one off flight.

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Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:41 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 24):
Same on Flightaware, NZ 1084 SYD-YVR 14hrs 50m

Flightaware now show it at 13hrs 39 min which is right inside the typical range of times for AC34. Typical airways distance is ~ 7000nm but the flight times suggest something like a 6800nm ESAD. For the 77E this is a comfortable max passenger load sector plus a bit.
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Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:08 pm

Seems that a Waikato Aero Club aircraft declared an emergency on take off and collided with a parked plane off the side of the runway in HLZ. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11145431

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Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:22 am

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Anyone know what's up with this? Flew quite low overhead not so long ago.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 8):
The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted

Thanks.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:26 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 28):

Did a similar thing a week or so ago.. Touch and gos at Whenuapai must be pretty fun though!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:48 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 28):
Anyone know what's up with this? Flew quite low overhead not so long ago.

Would say its a test flight, its in the hangar for a while.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:34 pm

Hi all. 8th AT6 MVG (option) has been picked up and scheduled for delivery June 2015. Three AT6s due now in 2015. Cheers
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:45 pm

Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
Hi all. 8th AT6 MVG (option) has been picked up and scheduled for delivery June 2015. Three AT6s due now in 2015. Cheers

What is the connection between three new AT6's in 2015 and New Zealand ?
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
8th AT6 MVG (option)

Are they skipping a letter in the rego's? Would've thought the 8th would be MVH...

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 32):
What is the connection between three new AT6's in 2015 and New Zealand ?

The fact that those three AT6's are going to Air New Zealand?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 32):

NZ have taken up another ATR72-600 option and delivery of this option will be in 2015, as well as the other planned two deliveries. Presume the rego will be ZK-MVG?
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:23 am

ZK-OXC (currently D-AXAU) has been spotted at Hamburg in the new livery.

From the photos uploaded it looks like the koru is slightly thicker and the fern is slightly mispositioned compared to ZK-OXB. Not that anyone would really care or notice but it's just an observation.
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
NZ have taken up another ATR72-600 option and delivery of this option will be in 2015, as well as the other planned two deliveries. Presume the rego will be ZK-MVG?

Thanks for the enlightenment. I know AT6's as modern versions of the Harvard primary trainer. I wondered if NZ was starting a flying school.  &nbsp Does this mean another Beech gives way to a Q300?

[Edited 2013-10-26 17:44:54]
 
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Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 35):
From the photos uploaded it looks like the koru is slightly thicker and the fern is slightly mispositioned compared to ZK-OXB. Not that anyone would really care or notice but it's just an observation.

Oh good, that should make it about the 13th livery variation on the fleet. Branding success!
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:04 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 36):
Does this mean another Beech gives way to a Q300?

Talking of the 1900 fleet, any due for retirement over the next 12 months? Any other routes being considered for a 1900D to Q300 and Q300 to ATR upgrade that hasn't been announced?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 37):

This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light? Even if it is different, then it certainly isn't the end of the world!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:06 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Talking of the 1900 fleet, any due for retirement over the next 12 months? Any other routes being considered for a 1900D to Q300 and Q300 to ATR upgrade that hasn't been announced?

Good chance the remaining B1900 operating AKL-TRG and AKL-KKE may go to Q300. Remove the 1000 and 1100 AKL-TRG B1900 and replace with single Q300. Likewise on Sunday night, replace the 2 evening B1900 with a single Q300,
Same thing on KKE.
Additional ATR's could replace AKL-NPE/NPL/NSN plus look at NPE/CHC.
Can't see any new services starting, just upgrades and additional flights.
The smaller towns WHK/WAG/KAT/TUO etc will still require B1900 until similar size aircraft can be sourced
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:53 am

Some aircraft changes happen on the 28th for the summer.
CZ swith from 332 to 787 while KE do the usual 777 to 744 swap.
Beginning of the increased schedule ex AKL
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:07 am

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 33):
Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
8th AT6 MVG (option)

Are they skipping a letter in the rego's? Would've thought the 8th would be MVH...

The 8th ATR72-600 ordered will be the 7th delivered and become MVG. One of the original seven ordered is due for delivery in 2016, so that will be the 8th delivered and become MVH. This changes if any of other options with earlier delivery dates are converted to orders.

Also, I suspect one of the later original order delivery dates was swapped for an earlier option delivery date. Can anyone confirm?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:40 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light?

I'm fairly certain if a paintshop screws up, a customer airline can demand they redo it. Or even ensure quality control to stop screwups from happening. Like how the koru starting going wonky across a whole bunch of aircraft from about the mid-2000s onwards. Some terrible examples on the 747s and Dash 8s, with the fade on the horizontal lines being all over the place.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Even if it is different, then it certainly isn't the end of the world!

No, it's not the end of the world, but that doesn't mean it's not important or not worth discussing. A critical element to branding is consistency, unless you subscribe to the good ol' Kiwi number 8 wire, she'll be right b/s that we were largely brought up on. I don't. Do it once - do it right.

So, let's recap:

Blue/green tail, all-white fuselage: 737, A320, 77W, 747
Blue/green tail, Pacific Wave: B1900, D83, AT7, 767, 772
Blue tail, all-white fuselage: 737 (ex Freedom - you can still see the outline of the Freedom logo)
Black tail, LOTR livery: 77W
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7
Black tail, all-white fuselage: A320
Black tail, semi-black fuselage with fern: A320
Star Alliance livery: A320

Compare that with, say, DL, UA, QF, SQ, CX, KE, AC, KL, LH etc etc

Any I've missed?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
Some aircraft changes happen on the 28th for the summer.
CZ swith from 332 to 787 while KE do the usual 777 to 744 swap.
Beginning of the increased schedule ex AKL

So this is the first scheduled service for the 787 into AKL? Also it looks like KE are sending a 77W today instead of a 744.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 43):
So this is the first scheduled service for the 787 into AKL?

Sure is.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7

To be honest, these should all be grouped into one.. Having different coloured nacelles is not really much of an issue and I think the koru was sized on proportionality and what looked good more than anything, due to the size and shape of the tails.

And just wondering again what that 'ratio' was whereby NZ would have to paint a new *A logojet..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 44):
And just wondering again what that 'ratio' was whereby NZ would have to paint a new *A logojet..

NZ isn't know for following *A rules anyway, so I'm likely safe saying that wont be painting another one. After all it did take them around 7 years to do OJH.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:38 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Blue/green tail, all-white fuselage: 737, A320, 77W, 747
Blue/green tail, Pacific Wave: B1900, D83, AT7, 767, 772
Blue tail, all-white fuselage: 737 (ex Freedom - you can still see the outline of the Freedom logo)
Black tail, LOTR livery: 77W
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7
Black tail, all-white fuselage: A320
Black tail, semi-black fuselage with fern: A320
Star Alliance livery: A320

Compare that with, say, DL, UA, QF, SQ, CX, KE, AC, KL, LH etc etc

The LOTR, All Black and star livery are special liveries, so these can hardly be counted. If its time to get picky then maybe look also at JQs livery? JQ have at least 5 different versions of their livery and more if you count their special liveries. All of their A320 versions get rotated through NZL domestic. QF have several different liveries also and that doesn't include their special liveries. The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that matters

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light?
I'm fairly certain if a paintshop screws up, a customer airline can demand they redo it

Why fix up what appears to be a slight small error in thickness when the general public can't tell/don't care. Only aviation fans will know the difference and we are hardly 'taking over the world' aren't we.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:58 am

ZK-OKC has been doing charters for the Singapore Armed Forces. http://i.imgur.com/JYLaxsV.png

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
Did a similar thing a week or so ago.. Touch and gos at Whenuapai must be pretty fun though!
Quoting zkncj (Reply 30):
Would say its a test flight, its in the hangar for a while.

Thanks. Was totally oblivious to the touch and gos.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
CZ swith from 332 to 787

Might just go and see that arrive.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 45):
I'm likely safe saying that wont be painting another one.

Darn. ZK-OJH and its various cousins around the globe look good.
First to fly the 787-9 with Air New Zealand and ZK-NZE (2014-10-09, NZ103)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:51 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
CZ swith from 332 to 787

Looks like this the first long haul flight for this particular 787 (B-2727). Just saw it fly overhead heading towards the harbour bridge and the city. Looks magnificent.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:10 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
The LOTR, All Black and star livery are special liveries, so these can hardly be counted.

I'll give you the LOTR livery. The Star one too. But no way for the Crazy About Rugby. The application is across, what, 7-8 aircraft? A sizable part of the fleet And in three different variations. They can't even stick to consistency with a supposedly one-off (or 7-off) special livery?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
If its time to get picky then maybe look also at JQs livery? JQ have at least 5 different versions of their livery and more if you count their special liveries. All of their A320 versions get rotated through NZL domestic.

Ah, but I have pointed this out - I started a thread I can't be bothered linking to back in July (I think) demonstratingn Australasian airlines and their multiple livery variations. This included Virgin ,which is at least standardising now. Interestingly, Qantas had the least variations, likely reflecting the professionalism of their marketing peeps and the value they place on brand consistency.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that matters

This "general public" you speak of... they/it told you when now?   If that was true, airline liveries would not exist and all you'd have would be variations of airline names across the fuselage.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
QF have several different liveries also and that doesn't include their special liveries.

As far as I can tell, special liveries aside, QF passenger aircraft have two livery variations - the old, skinny 'roo version, and the new, fat 'roo version - and that's because of a conscious decision to actually update the livery, not because of sloppy and mismanaged application of the existing one. Though I still think they've mis-sized the Qantas titling on the A330-200s.


Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
Why fix up what appears to be a slight small error in thickness when the general public can't tell/don't care. Only aviation fans will know the difference and we are hardly 'taking over the world' aren't we.

Um, because you care? Because presumably someone is paid to make sure this doesn't happen, as a professional? Because the use of the koru - which I believe NZ negotiated correct application of with local iwi - is culturally sensitive? Because you've paid someone to apply it correctly and if they haven't, they should either fix or pay for the error? Because it's branding/marketing 101?

The whole world of branding, of which a livery is a part, is about the most minute of details that "the general public", apparently, don't notice. Yeah? Naaaaaah. Too hard, it seems.

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