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American Airlines First A321

Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:59 pm

Here it is! Seen in XFW yesterday.

Aircraft data: MSN 5834, test registration D‑AVZK, to be N101NN.


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Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:04 pm

        

I am genuinely excited about this.

I'm so looking forward to seeing her complete and how she looks when fully fitted out.

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Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:11 pm

I can't wait!! The new livery will look amazing!
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:11 pm

I'm looking forward to this, but I'm more looking forward to the A321NEO. I think it'll look awesome with the larger power plants.

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Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:14 pm

It's funny, I'm not the biggest fan of the new livery, but the a321 is going to look amazing! The Sharklets help it a lot.

Can't wait to see this beauty at JFK and can wait even less to try it out! How MAny times can I say I've flown on an a321 with a smaller economy cabin than some RJs I've been on!      
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 1):
I am genuinely excited about this.

Me too. But if I fly transcon to LAX or SFO from JFK I would still choose to fly on a 767 even if I've already been on it many times. Simply because the 767 will be pulled out of these routes soon. The last 200 leaves the fleet in May of 2014. I can fly on the 321 later, when JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO will both be all A321 in a year from now. I'll get to see those all the time for many years to come if I live in New York.

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 1):
I'm so looking forward to seeing her complete and how she looks when fully fitted out.

I have no doubt it will be a great airplane, but I would still choose to fly on a 767 for the reason I explain above.

Thanks KarelXWB for posting the picture. For those who are anxiously waiting to experience flying on this new airplane with American, transcon JFK-LAX service starts in January of 2014.

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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:26 pm

Was wondering when it was gonna roll out. Thanks for sharing the pic.
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:32 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
I'm looking forward to this, but I'm more looking forward to the A321NEO. I think it'll look awesome with the larger power plants.

No doubt, this illustration says it all:

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Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:59 pm

I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:34 pm

Great to see, I am extremely excited by this aircraft. It will be fun to fly. What is it 105 seats in three classes on a narrow body? AA is getting creative on a very difficult route and I wish them luck. It keeps the industry on their toes.

Also, agree that the engines look a little petite. The larger engines will help the aesthetics.

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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA.

Hopefully not. I would rather have the 777s and 763 that AA currently operates between LAX-MIA.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:42 pm

How many a321t will be delivered before the regular configured a321?
 
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
No doubt, this illustration says it all:

Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry? Especially on take-off and landing? This would increase the risk of scrapes if the pilot pitches the aircraft just a fraction too far.
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:58 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):

Hopefully not. I would rather have the 777s and 763 that AA currently operates between LAX-MIA.

Oh, I'm not hoping the 777s stop running on MIA-LAX-MIA. Just hoping that these special "JFK-LAX/SFO" A321s at some point replace the 738/757 that they run on the route. The 763s... I avoid them, though if the new J class will match the new 772 J class then I'd be OK with riding their 763 once again.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):

Pitching up will cause the entire engine to raise further off the ground no matter what the pitch angle is due to it being ahead of the pivot point (main landing gear). The only time it might possibly hit the ground is if they pull a SWA and land nose first or if maybe all the mains are flat and they slam it in. Just depends on the amount of travel there is between the typical compression of the strut and a completely compressed strut (which I don't know the number).

I personally don't like the size increase aesthetically. It looks really close to the fuselage width from the front and appears funny to me. I typically love huge engines too.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:31 am

The more I see the new livery and logo, the more I like it. Unlike some, I actually think the new livery looks particularly excellent on the A319s. I very much look forward to seeing these A321s - outside and especially inside.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:40 am

A321 seating chart released .
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:43 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 16):

I'm sorry but I'll never get used to seeing Economy occupying 30% of the plane! Great idea, just weird-looking.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:48 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 17):
I'm sorry but I'll never get used to seeing Economy occupying 30% of the plane!

I guess you missed this one then  http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...British_Airways_Boeing_777-200.php
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:50 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I guess you missed this one then http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...0.php

Yes I did actually!     and yeah, that's an interesting one too! Now I'm starting to understand how they can do 8 daily flights from JFK to LHR with little AA connections!  
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:54 am

The Japanese can fly an even more premium aircraft long haul!

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/ANA/ANA_Boeing_777-300ER_D.php

This ANA 77W has just 112 Economy class seats!! Take barely 1/3 space of the aircraft, almost just 1/4.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:19 am

They've gone for IAE the same as Finnair.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:34 am

My take om AA´s livery: why not thinner stripes on the narrow body a/c? The 'thicker´ stripes looks great on the widebody.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:52 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):

I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA

I hope that they will be able to use them all over their system. The looks of the seating is very interesting. Does anybody know if there will be different configurations once they integrate them into the system such as they have with the 757 or is this going to be a standard seating layout?
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:33 am

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Does anybody know if there will be different configurations once

As of now standard configuration will be 16F 166Y. Just 8 off the 757.
 
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
Looks good (even better when finished!)

Should be painted within days.
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry?

What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:08 pm

Wiki has the engine groundclearance of the NG at 46cm (48 for the 900ER).
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:42 pm

N1XXNN... interesting ship numbering.

Were these used previously for AA on a different fleet?
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 14):

Pitching up will cause the entire engine to raise further off the ground no matter what the pitch angle is due to it being ahead of the pivot point (main landing gear). The only time it might possibly hit the ground is if they pull a SWA and land nose first or if maybe all the mains are flat and they slam it in. Just depends on the amount of travel there is between the typical compression of the strut and a completely compressed strut (which I don't know the number).

I personally don't like the size increase aesthetically. It looks really close to the fuselage width from the front and appears funny to me. I typically love huge engines too.

Thanks just seems a little too close for comfort from the ground, its one ruler and a half! Thought they would consider this too close. Thanks for your input RE: pitch angle.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 29):

What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?

I don't know mate. I was just commenting on the A320 neo picture posted above. It would be interesting to see the specs for the 737MAX
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:27 pm

Love the red nose & German flag for flight testing on the USA flag fin! Congrats, AA
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
N1XXNN... interesting ship numbering.

Glad you asked, close but not exact. The DC-10 fleet began at N101AA and ran consecutive numbers up to about N141 or so, skipped a few but ended I think at N171AA.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry?

That's what I thought at first. However, if

Quoting 76er (Reply 27):
Wiki has the engine groundclearance of the NG at 46cm (48 for the 900ER).

then I guess it should be ok...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I guess you missed this one then http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...0.php
Quoting nethkt (Reply 20):
The Japanese can fly an even more premium aircraft long haul!

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/ANA...D.php

I recall some of UA's early 744s (1990s) had very large first & business (remember Connoisseur?) classes, extending possibly as far back as #4 doors. I have an old printed schedule with seat maps, but not where I am currently located.

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Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting hotplane (Reply 21):
They've gone for IAE the same as Finnair.

Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):
Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.

They've wisely gone for the better engine on each model. Given the numbers they're buying and the fairly typical "power by the hour" type engine deals, commonality is simply not the issue it might have been a few years ago.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:18 pm

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):
Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.

If the merger goes through, they will have sizable fleets of both CFM and IAE powered 319's, 20's and 21's as the entire East fleet at US is CFM powered sans a few new A321's and the entire West fleet inclusive of all A321's is IAE.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:32 pm

When will AA start taking delivery of A321s configured in two classes? At some point, the A321s have to start replacing non-TATL 757s.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 23):
I hope that they will be able to use them all over their system.

This config will be used on very few routes. Only 105 seats, three class service will only work on selected routes. Mainly JFK-LAX/SFO. Would not mind it replacing the 738s and 752s on MIA-LAX also but as long as the 777s on still on MIA-LAX and there are still 763s I don't see it happening unless it replaces a 763.

I will say the small economy section should make economy more enjoyable too with better service from the FA and a tremendously better IFE.

After seeing how AA is doing out of BK and them finally getting their newer airplanes from a frequent flyer perspective I hope the merger does not go through.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 37):

After seeing how AA is doing out of BK and them finally getting their newer airplanes from a frequent flyer perspective I hope the merger does not go through.

You and me both, I don't really want them (AA) to have anything to do with US. They have always been a poor choice to fly when ever I need to fly on short notice. I also fly to the UK and find the connections on US abysmal. The service is also subpar on US and hope that the US government will block the deal.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 38):

What consitutes the connections to the UK on US being abysmal? Just wondering what you consider abysmal.

And I agree, their service could be better, but it still isn't that bad.
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 24):
As of now standard configuration will be 16F 166Y. Just 8 off the 757.

So the F cabin will be smaller. Quite a reduction of F seats if the A321 is replacing all 757s.
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Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:43 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 40):
So the F cabin will be smaller. Quite a reduction of F seats if the A321 is replacing all 757s.

Yep. Which is why I suspect we're going to see A321s being used most intensively in higher-volume, less-premium markets (Hawaii, Caribbean, Florida, Vegas, etc.), just as the 757s (and A300s) were in the first half of last decade. I imagine relatively more premium markets will instead be largely the domain of the 738.
 
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:56 am

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry? Especially on take-off and landing? This would increase the risk of scrapes if the pilot pitches the aircraft just a fraction too far.

Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system? Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.
 
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:03 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?

Check page 13 for the MAX numbers:

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com.../airports/acaps/737MAXbrochure.pdf
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:11 am

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):

Well the CFM56 is the same engine as the 737 fleet. So its no big deal for the 319

The IAEs are generally called the better engine for the 321s, and half of the US airbus fleet is IAE(and i believe that is the engine they have picked for all forward deliveries)

plenty of bulk, your still talking about over 100 engine of the V2500s and CFM56-5s. Thats plenty.

(and IMO if AA or TAESL does the V2500s in house they have plenty of chances in the US for work. Delta send them out and IIRC US and UA do also.)
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):

Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system?

No

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.


In service, the A321 has a tail strike rate about 4 times higher than the A320.

With the landing gear oleo fully compressed, tail strike will occur at around 9.6 degrees nose up attitude (the A320 will give you another 2 degrees of margin). If the oleo is fully extended, you need to achieve a nose attitude of 11.4 degrees before tail strike occurs.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 44):
The IAEs are generally called the better engine for the 321s, and half of the US airbus fleet is IAE(and i believe that is the engine they have picked for all forward deliveries)

US took delivery of a CFM powered A321 only a few months ago.

My understanding was that US would continue to take delivery of both IAE and CFM equipped A32Xs due to the split East West operation.

Also, it is worth bearing in mind that many of AAs A319 aircraft will be operating at the highest MTOW and thus require the highest thrust engine. In this regard, the CFM56 had to be selected for the A319 as it has a 27K thrust option whereas the IAE V2500 is limited I believe to 24.8K due to VMCG/VMCA considerations.
 
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RE: American Airlines First A321

Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:44 pm

I am truly excited about the new A321's, but I agree with a few others on here, I'll fly the 762's transcon until they are all gone. It's nice to see more and more carriers bring the A321 online in the US...instead of just US and NK...  
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 46):

US took delivery of a CFM powered A321 only a few months ago.

Planespotters.net shows 10 A321-211 (CFM) shown up in 2013 - with the latest arriving in July.

5 A321-231 (IAE) are scheduled in 2013.

Before 2013, the last A321-211 to show up was in 2009, whereas A312-231 arrived in 2012 and 2011 also.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:08 pm

Nice aircraft, but I vastly prefer the 762 for transcon. That said...it'll be interesting to fly on one of these with that seating config!

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