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Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:58 pm

Grüezi !

The #33 is archived, Swiss Aviation Thread #33 (by ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH Sep 3 2013 in Civil Aviation) let's start a new one.

Helvetic will launch Zürich - Bordeaux two times a week starting 08MAY14

2L 074 ZRH 1315 - 1455 BOD 4
2L 074 ZRH 1815 - 1955 BOD 7

2L 075 BOD 1540 - 1720 ZRH 4
2L 075 BOD 2040 - 2220 ZRH 7

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:12 pm

From May 2014 we will have three weekly flights with Aegean Airlines in Zurich (ZRH). Twice a week from Heraklion (HER) and one time from Rhodes (RHO). All flights were operated with A320s.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:42 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 1):
Travel Inside article in German only.

...from ATH as well.
RHO/HER are seasonal only
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:34 pm

Ryanair is back to Switzerland. Dublin - Basle will start on april 1st :

FR 7356 DUB 1910 - 2220 BSL -2-4-6-
FR 7357 BSL 2245 - 2355 DUB -2-4-6-

http://www.ryanair.com/
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:25 pm

Thats good news for Basel. Dublin was still missing on the route map.

It seems they will launch Basel-Stansted as well.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:38 pm

Darwin to become Etihad Regional ! More details to come :

https://twitter.com/AvWeekFlottau/status/402049098108641280
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:56 pm

Etihad to launch daily ZRH-AUH

EY073 AUH0205 – 0650ZRH 333 D
EY074 ZRH1205 – 2225AUH 333 D
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:03 pm

According to this article Darwin becomes Etihad Regional Etihad will buy 33,3% of Darwin Airline which will change its brand into Etihad Regional from June 1th next year when Etihad Airways will also launch daily flight from Abu Dhabi to Zurich.
The airliners will carry the Etihad Regional logo while operated by Darwin will be visible on the back of the fuselage. New routes to be launched are :

DUS - BER / CBG / LCY
BER - WRO / POZ
GVA - BEG / MRS / NTE / TLS / BOD / ZRH / VRN
ZRH - LEJ / LNZ / GRZ / VRN / FLR / TRN / LYS
FCO - TIA / ZAG

That is a huge development for this carrier.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:43 pm

As I already said in the main EY discousion thread:
I don't see how those routes ex ZRH will work.

Especially Linz, Graz and Geneva.
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

I know I shouldn't be that skeptic and EY has got money to invest over a long period, but I think LX doesn't have to be scared of that evolution.

But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!
Can a Fokker 100 fly to LUG? Then Helvetic could jump in.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:09 pm

Somebody finally needs to cancel the open skies agreement with the UAE, what a joke..
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:21 pm

Question, I was at ZRH last summer and it looked as if there was a tour group touring the airport, both inside the buildings and outside. Does ZRH offer tours of the airport?

Thanks!
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
Geneva is such a small market, you are almost faster by SBB (if you live in Lausanne or something like that) than with A/C and it's not as with LX where you have feeder flights all day... theres one or two.

It will surely be to serve as having de-facto 2x daily flights from GVA & ZRH.

Also, with the sheer number of destinations announced by F7/EY, it makes me think that not only will most destinations not be served daily, but it also seems as if 2/3 aircraft will migrate from ZRH to GVA and vice-versa during the day once one wave is done at one airport (say morning flights to/from ZRH, evening to/from GVA). It will be interesting to see if this is really the case when they publish their schedules.

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 8):
But I wonder if LX will still do Codeshare with them to LUG... would be sad if they wouldn't fly there anymore!

I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Will be interesting to see how all of this works out. I don't think LX and U2 will just standby and let EY march on their territory. That said, EY has a lot of money to waste and hopefully this experiment won't end badly.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:33 am

Quoting mcg (Reply 10):

Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Observation Decks B&E: Here
Apron tour by bus: Here
Inside the Airport guided group tours: Here

Hope it helps!


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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:40 am

Interesting news about Etihad. At the moment, I don't exactly understand how it could work.

There's only one daily flight in GVA and ZRH to feed so Darwin needs o&d passengers. I'm not sure if there is enough demand to fill daily Saab flights from the destinations announced. And I don't think they are competitive against easyJet and Swiss.

And who wants to fly for example LEJ-ZRH-AUH-BKK if you can fly with just one stop?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 12):
Yes mcg, ZRH Airport offers diffent tours and decks to spot:

Danke!
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:40 pm

Schedules are apparently like this:
arr ZRH 0650LT
dep ZRH 1205LT
With schedule at GVA arr 1315LT and dep 2045LT

So I guess the schedule for the GVA flights will be like this:
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 0800LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1030LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1200LT
GVA-ZRH ex GVA 1400LT
ZRH-GVA ex ZRH 1900LT
and one either back to GVA in the morning or evening

What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but EY does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of EY.

This means this expansion will danger more EY than LX ATM!

AND:
The whole deal has to be granted by the swiss Competition Commission. And they are known to be pretty strict.
AND:
The slots listed above are requests by EY, it's not sure they will get them especially the 0650LT ...

My main problem is, that it's a "swiss" airline, but I will bet the Crews won't be recruited in Switzerland.
And not sure of they will always fly according to swiss law... but these are things that will be clarified in the near future, I don't want to start rumors here.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 11):
I don't see how LX will want to continue working with F7. And EY probably has much to gain by having LUG to themselves. Finding a replacement partner for LX may not be very easy and this route might just go the same way as BSL-ZRH for LX (ie. SBB partnership).

Ouch, Zurich Flughafen-Lugano by SBB, that's 3 hours. Definitely slower than taking the connecting flight unless the connection is badly timed.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:10 pm

Please replace the EY with U2 in post 15!!

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What sometimes gets forgotten that they want to open GVA-BOD, MRS, NTE, TLS and BEG

Apart from BEG LX doesn't fly to those destinations, but U2 does...
so they will target also the O&D costumer of U2.

This means this expansion will danger more U2 than LX ATM!
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:14 am

Ryanair has revealed schedules of the new STN - BSL route operated twice a day starting 31MAR14. FR will be the fourth carrier operating the LON - BSL sector, S14 will look like this :

BA 751 BSL 0700 - 0740 LHR D 32S
BA 753 BSL 1220 - 1305 LHR D 32S
BA 755 BSL 1805 - 1840 LHR D 32S
BA 749 BSL 2145 - 2225 LHR Dx67 32S

285 200 pax on LHR - BSL route in 2012 (3xBA + 3xBD)

DS 8430 BSL 0700 - 0730 LGW D 32S
DS 8434 BSL 1725 - 1755 LGW D 32S
DS 8438 BSL 1900 - 1930 LGW Dx6 32S

218 800 pax on LGW - BSL route in 2012

LX 484 BSL 0625 - 0700 LCY Dx7 AR1
LX 486 BSL 1825 - 1905 LCY Dx6 AR1

42 400 pax on LCY - BSL route in 2012

FR BSL xxxx - xxxx STN D? 73H (to be loaded soon)
FR BSL 1750 - 1820 STN D 73H
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:05 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 18):
STN - BSL route operated twice a day

It will be a single daily flight actually.

BTW Ryanair is considering a base at Basle : in french : Ryanair de retour à l aeroport de Bale. EasyJet currently operates 8 airliners from BSL and two more 32S will arrive next summer. That could be bloody.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:37 pm

LX180 diverted to VIE last night, does anybody have any info? I reckon it must have been a medical. They would probably have returned to ZRH had it been a technical and as they left again about 90 minutes later it couldn't have been a serious technical incident where they would head to the closest suitable airport.

Even if it was a medical it must have developed pretty quickly as they diverted over the austrian alps about halfway between VIE and lake constance (roughly 45mins into the flight).
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:27 pm

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 20):

That's exactly what I thought as well, however word is that it was a deactivated reverser:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/swi...wien-zwischenlanden-id2553154.html
Not sure why one deactivated reverser should pose a safety risk justifying an enroute diversion, couldn't they just fix it likewise in BKK?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:03 pm

Which plane just took off from Rwy 16? It was a large four engine machine, but not a 747. Was it a Lockheed Galaxy or a Russian aircraft. Does anybody know the registration ?
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:01 pm

@Sandro: don't get you such information internly? Are not all pilots informed about all incidents?
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting sr176 (Reply 22):

It was an AN124 - UR-82007

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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 23):

Sure we do but thats gonna take a while.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 21):

Thanks! So it was probably an unlocked rather than a deactivated reverser, but if thats he case I too am wondering why they diverted and if so why not back home. But hey, we weren't there on the flightdeck were we  
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:08 pm

Some news of recent days from the Swiss Aviation sphere:

New flights from ZRH in S14

- Finnair to increase HEL-ZRH from 2 to 4 flights on weekdays (2x E190, 2xA32S)
- BA Cityflyer to add 5th frequency on LCY-ZRH on weekdays (E190)
- Aegean to add ATH at 4/7, HER at 2/7 and RHO at 1/7 (A320)
- Icelandair increases flights to KEF to 4/7
- Air France to replace E190 with A318 on all flights to CDG. Frequency meanwhile reduces from 42/7 to 35/7

New flights from GVA in S14

- RAM will fly GVA-RAK at 2/7 (B738)
- Aegean increases ATH to 4/7 (A320)
- EZY to add La Rochelle at 2/7
- Icelandair resumes KEF at 2/7


On another note, I just stumbled upon a very interesting route marketing presentation of GVA Airport:

GVA.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gva.ch/en/Portaldata/1/Re...chiers/institutionnels/why-GVA.pdf

Some takeaways:

- Slide 20 shows average yield from long haul destinations. GVA and ZRH rank in the top in terms of yield from IAD, YUL, JFK, DXB (not very surprising though)

- Slide 21 shows average airport charges (total including passenger, noise etc.) for international operation using A330 or B787 aircraft. Given how ZRH is by far the most expensive of these airports listed it is no surprise that airlines are still quite unhappy about the new charges that will be implemented starting 2014. I find it stunning how they can be so much more expensive than comparable airports such as VIE, CPH or BRU.

[Edited 2013-11-28 13:10:48]
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:50 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 26):
Finnair to increase HEL-ZRH from 2 to 4 flights on weekdays (2x E190, 2xA32S)

This is a big increase. I did not read this news before, what can explain that ? Will AY expand so hugely other european markets next summer ?
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:32 pm

I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..

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Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 27):
This is a big increase. I did not read this news before, what can explain that ? Will AY expand so hugely other european markets next summer ?

They also announced to double frequencies to DUS (from 2 to 4) and several new holiday flights. News is currently only available in Finnish. Flights were bookable through June yesterday.

I see the link provided above does not seem to work. I give it another try:

http://www.gva.ch/en/Portaldata/1/Re...chiers/institutionnels/why-GVA.pdf
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:14 am

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 28):
I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..
AY is 2x daily to both ZRH and GVA.

[Edited 2013-11-29 00:15:08]
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:50 am

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 28):
I wonder why we still don't serve HEL. Surely if AY thinks HEL-ZRH deserves 4 x daily rotations we should be able to make it work aswell..

This indeed is one thing I have never understood, but probably the beancounters know why, besides the fact that we don't really have surplus aircraft / crews hanging around  
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:59 am

AY will reschedule its timetable between HEL and ZRH. In summer we have an late evening arrival in ZRH and an early morning flight from ZRH to HEL by an Embraer 190 of Flybe Nordic opf Finnair.
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:52 am

Any information about LX cancelling MCT?? (No flights bookable after April 14 at the moment)

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Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:00 am

No problem on the staff-travel portal after April 14th.
Flights are listable and bookable.
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting ka (Reply 33):
(No flights bookable after April 14 at the moment)
Quoting DALCE (Reply 34):
No problem on the staff-travel portal after April 14th.

I meant April 2014.
Did you check for May...?

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Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:14 pm

yes no problem whatsoever
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:04 pm

Are there already some details known regarding the cabin configuration of the C Ceries; will they be equiped with NEK style seats and have drop down TV's like on the Airbus fleet?
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:31 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):

From what I read somewhere (flightglobal I believe) LX want to implement maximum seating which is 125pax@30". These seats better be thin...  
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 38):

Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:32 pm

A 3rd SWISS Avro RJ100 is now featuring the Star Alliance c/s, it's HB-IXR!

Does anyone know if they plan to paint some 32S/333/343 with the *A livery?


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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):

Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

Why do need PTVs on such short routes? It is absolutely unnecessary. There is only more weight and uneconomical.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:51 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):
Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

With 99% of the population who have tablets or laptops with them on flights, there really isn't an use anymore.

Perhaps they will equip the aircraft with dropdown screens, or stream wifi throughout the aircraft, but more than that would be surprising.

In fact, it may likely end up that the CS-100s come with nothing, which would be status quo compared to the RJ100s.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 41):

Unnecessary maybe, but having acess to movies/music/etc from every seat sound great. Just have a look at VX entertainment, it's simply great!

Quoting runway23 (Reply 42):

Wifi would be great if no PTVs.
Be aware that in Europe, no airline offer Wifi on domestic/short-haul flights 
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 43):
Wifi would be great if no PTVs.
Be aware that in Europe, no airline offer Wifi on domestic/short-haul flights 

You have Norwegian and soon Vueling.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 44):

Nice, but compared to what you have in the USA....it's really nothing!
What about LH? LX? U2? AF? OS? BA? KL? IB? TK? AB? TP?...
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:15 am

Quoting phofmannsair (Reply 39):
Let's hope they'll put PTV at every seats! But I guess it's just a dream...

That would be a tad too much. Drop-down screens would be a good step forward, though, especially as LX makes good use of them on 319s-320s-321s.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:44 am

Comparing The US and the European business models is like comparing apples and oranges. First of all, the average shorthaul sector flown in the US is a lot longer than in Europe. Think transcons at 6+ hours compared to what we fly here. ZRH-DME is one of LX's longest sectors in their European network at ~3hrs. It is no surprise that under these circumstamces, customers in the US value inflight entertainment a lot higher than over here. In contrast, Europeans value free service on board and free checked baggage, something that has almost entirely vanished in the states.

Installing personalised inflight entertainment in Europe is simply not worth it, as the added value wouldnt offset the cost. On the other hand, introducing the US's model of buy on board and baggage fees wouldnt do Europen mainline carriers much good.

WIFI is a bit of a hybrid. I'm sure that customers would appreciate it, especially on longer sectors. But again it would come at a fee and I dont think enough people would elect to pay for it on the many short flights flown here to make it worthwhile for the airlines.

We will see what happens, but you can be 99.9% sure that LX's new birds will not be equipped with PTVs.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:10 am

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 47):
Installing personalised inflight entertainment in Europe is simply not worth it, as the added value wouldnt offset the cost. On the other hand, introducing the US's model of buy on board and baggage fees wouldnt do Europen mainline carriers much good.

And yet your employer has gone down the road of introducing baggage fees...

Quoting sandrozrh (Reply 47):
We will see what happens, but you can be 99.9% sure that LX's new birds will not be equipped with PTVs.

Yes, anyone who thinks the contrary would be mad. If LX wanted PTVs on their short-haul fleet, they would have a subfleet of A320/A321s with PTVs for the longer flights to DME, TLV and Edelweiss flights. The fact is, it costs a lot in licensing fees, weight and brings in no additional revenue.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 46):
That would be a tad too much. Drop-down screens would be a good step forward, though, especially as LX makes good use of them on 319s-320s-321s.

I'd say it is 50/50 as to whether LX will even equip their C-Series with screens at all. Originally, when SR installed the screens they were mainly installed to display connecting gate information. Today only about half of the flights still show this.

Showing cartoons or funny short videos, safety demo, inflight map and marketing material isn't exactly prime use either. The system has carries additional weight, involved costs for maintenance, additional wiring and cost of the material itself.
 
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RE: Swiss Aviation Thread #34

Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:27 am

Quoting runway23 (Reply 48):

That's not true. They introduced a new fare structure out of GVA for people traveling with hand luggage only. You can still purchase a ticket at a standard fare as has been the case before and check a bag at no charge, but if you don't have any baggage to check, it is now possible to purchase a cheaper ticket. That's not exactly the same as introducing baggage fees like we have seen at all US majors, it's actually quite the opposite.

If people purchase a low fare, no baggage ticket and then want to check bags, then yes, they will have to pay. But I have no sympathy for these people. The rules are clear and it's not just unfair, but pretty stupid indeed if they then go to shout about how LX has introduced baggage fees.

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