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Australian Aviation Thread #81

Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:42 am

Last thread was at 211 posts so welcome to Australian Aviation #81.

In Australian Aviation Thread # 80 we discussed:

* Qantas A330 deliveries and configuration
* Qantas 767 seat pitch
* Jetstar 787 VH-VKA flights and
* Future Jetstar basing - Japan?
* Qantas fleet numbers now and historical
* Scoot to Perth
* Virgin Australia Embraer stops in Portugal and Greece
* When will the A380 get to Perth?
* Qantas aircraft utilisation
* Can Jetconnect operate long ETOPS flights on behalf of Qantas where they are not permitted by CASA?
* QF52, QF8 delays,
* Etihad flyover for Opera House 40th
* Who would fly to Tamworth Wellcamp?
* Busy ROK with military exercises
* Air India 787 goes tech in Sydney
* UA N182UA blows its tyres
* New Qantas Aboriginal livery revealed - Mendoorwoorrji
* Qantas yields fall
* VA inflight entertainment availability
* Will we see new airlines flying to Australia?
* Premium seating trial on the JQ 787
* China Southern A380 begins flights to Sydney
* Sichuan Airlines to start Sydney
* Qantas FF points for QR?
* Perth expansion plans

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Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:06 am

Air India 787 AOG in MEL dues cracked windshield
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:17 am

Anyone know how Garuda is doing in BNE? I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%. Hopefully this was just a one off?
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:23 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
Anyone know how Garuda is doing in BNE? I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%. Hopefully this was just a one off?

I'd say a one-off. Remember this is low season and the route has only been operating since AUG. This month VA have reduced BNE-DPS from 9 to 8 weekly and TG have been subbing a 772 for a 773 over the last few months at a loss of about 100 seats/flight (nothing to do with the AOG a while back- BNE-BKK loads are way down).
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:20 pm

Speaking of my city BNE Philippines are changing from 320's to 321's for 8-9 weeks from Sunday week.They are brand new aircraft .
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 2):
I know a flight last week that had a load factor of around 15%.

Is it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 5):
Is it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??

It is worth it if the flight in the opposite direction is full or close to it  
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:02 pm

Speaking of Garuda we now have had 15 different aircraft do the route along with 3 new ones in the past week.
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 5):
s it even worth operating this flight? Surely they could cancel this and put people on other flights and reduce the losses. Being able to say a daily service cannot surely be worth that much to GA??

I would have thought not, especially given VA has a flight ~30mins later and that flight could have easily put those passengers on, or just shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:39 am

Rumour going around that VH-VKA is having engine mount and passenger evacuation.

First commercial flight is still scheduled for November 13th.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:00 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):

I don't follow... can you elaborate?
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:01 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 9):
shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though

GA and any other service needs to be seen as consistent with their product and service reliability. Most times the return flight has the yields that make the return trip worthy anyway...

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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:05 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 8):
I would have thought not, especially given VA has a flight ~30mins later and that flight could have easily put those passengers on, or just shift them a day earlier or later... obviously some reason though

Have you thought of the fact perhaps the inbound flight from DPS was full? I've been on a flight on QF back in the day on HNL-SYD where the flight flew in that morning absolutely chockers... and the return had less than 50 people on it!
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:42 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I don't follow... can you elaborate?

Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems.

However first flight is still scheduled for November 13th.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:55 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 13):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I don't follow... can you elaborate?

Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems.

However first flight is still scheduled for November 13th.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but can you elaborate as what's happened to VH-VKA???

I'm sorry but "Just a rumour that she is having engine mount and passenger evacuation problems." Doesn't cut it or make any sense!

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Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:07 am

EK8413

It sounds like their proving flights are not going to their plans due to CASA requirements to ensure all the T's are crossed and I's are dotted.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 6):
It is worth it if the flight in the opposite direction is full or close to it

Very vaild point.... Bit of an oversight on my part!
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:43 am

Quoting ThunderB (Reply 15):

EK8413

It sounds like their proving flights are not going to their plans due to CASA requirements to ensure all the T's are crossed and I's are dotted.

Cheers, I was somewhat confused trying to workout "engine mount issues, evacuation issues".

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Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:59 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
evacuation issues".

I would love CASA to try and knock back the 335 pax seating - its VERY cramped. More seats than the A330 which is a bigger plane with more exits
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:14 pm

Latest I have heard is that CASA have not given an approval, Too many seats, not enough exits.

This is just rumour, but from a trusted source.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):
Too many seats, not enough exits.

It comes back to the FAA certification. Although originally the 787-8 was designed as a 250 pax a/c. I dont think CASA has the power to challenge the FAA. What was the FAA evacuation certification? CASA just likes being difficult
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:59 pm

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 18):
More seats than the A330 which is a bigger plane with more exits

The 787 and A330 share the same number of exits - 8.

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):
Too many seats, not enough exits

Are you suggesting that Jetstar did not take into account CASA regulations, exit design and limitations when planning their interiors?
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:06 pm

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 20):
I dont think CASA has the power to challenge the FAA

Of course they do! Any aircraft on the Australian register must be type certified by CASA. This certification is based off the FAA/EASA type certification PLUS any additional requirements CASA MAY impose.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:10 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):

Latest I have heard is that CASA have not given an approval, Too many seats, not enough exits.

It appears that the rumours are wrong. CASA has approved Jestar's 787.
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:39 am

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 21):
Are you suggesting that Jetstar did not take into account CASA regulations, exit design and limitations when planning their interiors?

I'd suggest this come down to CASA allowing Jetstar to add the 787 to its AOC. If there is substance to this rumour it is probably more of a paperwork / training issue , than an FAA certification issue.

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Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:22 am

Perth will get NZs first 787 route, followed by Auckland - Tokyo and Auckland - Shanghai.. Cabin configuration will be"

18 lie-flat Business Premier zone in a herringbone layout
21 premium economy (2-3-2 layout).
263 in economy, including 14 rows of 'Skycouch' (32 inch seat pitch, 17.2 inches wide).

302 seats total.

http://theflyingsocialnetwork.com/site/article/auckland-perth-787
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11153204

Nice to see NZ finally announce the layout and first routes. Really good to see the 787-9 won't be in much of a leisure configuration as first thought
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:29 am

Brisbanes second aiport, Archerfield is looking to start passenger services next year, apparently in talks with two airlines.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/busine...vices/story-fnihsps3-1226754604504
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:38 am

Quoting bwwt (Reply 26):
Archerfield is looking to start passenger services next year

I got a good laugh out of this:

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The services will be targeted at business travellers with two flights a day, three days a week from the airport, 11km southwest of the CBD

Sounds like a prime business schedule  


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Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:43 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 19):
Latest I have heard is that CASA have not given an approval, Too many seats, not enough exits.

This is just rumour, but from a trusted source.

Sounds as though the 'trusted source' got it wrong...

Quoting allrite (Reply 23):

Any idea as to when VH-VKB is scheduled for delivery?

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Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:29 pm

Yes certification of an aircraft is one thing, the second is the proving flight of said aircraft for crew operational purposes. IT can take a few goes if the airline doesn't show that their SOP's etc need changes or crew need more training on said aircraft. VKA can fly around as much as it wants, thou it needs to be certified by CASA for RPT service.
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:33 pm

Qantas has confirmed the closure of it's Avalon maintenance facility - looking at moving it to elsewhere in Australia (presumably Brisbane) or overseas. Media release.
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:07 am

You'd assume all future 747 heavy maintenance will be done overseas but QF probably wouldn't want to announce that as it is a bad" look.

QF's PR was a bit of a disaster anyway with Avalon staff told that if they talked to the media they could lose their redundancy. Strambi later said that this was a mixed up message that the HR staff at AVV got wrong but the damage was already done.
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:07 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 31):

It's so interesting how VA get a free ride in the press but QF get picked up for everything.

The figures they provided about AVV (22months down time in 4 years) are astounding and it is a no brainer it will be closed. Hopefully gets moved to BNE with the rest of QF maintenance (correct? BNE will be the only Oz-based heavy maintenance for QF now?) but agreed will probably move overseas. Shame but can hardly blame them.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 32):
It's so interesting how VA get a free ride in the press but QF get picked up for everything.

The figures they provided about AVV (22months down time in 4 years) are astounding and it is a no brainer it will be closed. Hopefully gets moved to BNE with the rest of QF maintenance (correct? BNE will be the only Oz-based heavy maintenance for QF now?) but agreed will probably move overseas. Shame but can hardly blame them.

Considering VA/DJ was started by a Brit, it doesn't attract the same national pride that QF has benefited from (been lumbered with?).
I see QF looking at using HAECO to maintain their 744s in HKG, as they could be rotated through the SYD-HKG flights.

I'm tired of the union bleating that "...work done in Asia had proved less reliable than work done at facilities like Avalon.". SQ seem to do quite well with their maintenance, as ex-SQ aircraft usually get sold rather quickly. It certainly doesn't stop Australians flying Asian airlines, so maintaining a fleet in Asia is obviously acceptable to the travelling public.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:06 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 33):
Considering VA/DJ was started by a Brit, it doesn't attract the same national pride that QF has benefited from (been lumbered with?)

I think you are quite right about the "national pride" but I'm a bit cynical about what it means.

"National pride" hasn't stopped Australians flocking to foreign airlines - and then throwing rocks at Qantas while they nibble on their satays or kebabs.

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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:09 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 33):
It certainly doesn't stop Australians flying Asian airlines, so maintaining a fleet in Asia is obviously acceptable to the travelling public

Exactly, that is - arguably - the strongest counter argument against the "Asian maintenance is inferior"

That said, I could quite easily imagine someone nodding along and agreeing that work done in Asia is inferior and that the only way to ensure the aircraft is safe is to maintain it in Australia yada yada yada, and then turn around and book a flight with Singapore or Cathay.
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 34):
I think you are quite right about the "national pride" but I'm a bit cynical about what it means.

"National pride" hasn't stopped Australians flocking to foreign airlines - and then throwing rocks at Qantas while they nibble on their satays or kebabs.

mariner

I agree that the benefit to QF is negligible or even negative. But the attackes on QF would likely be due to it's longtime government ownership. People see the network shrink, and want QF to fly to "their" preferred destinations. There is a sense of entitlement regarding where QF flies - it should fly where I want to go, but I choose not to fly it. I think SA & NZ suffer from the same problem.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 35):
That said, I could quite easily imagine someone nodding along and agreeing that work done in Asia is inferior and that the only way to ensure the aircraft is safe is to maintain it in Australia yada yada yada, and then turn around and book a flight with Singapore or Cathay.

I wonder who Steve Purvinas flies with?   
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:41 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 36):
The people that spout this rubbish also probably complain about manufacturers going to Asia while wearing clothes made in China

  
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:09 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 36):
I agree that the benefit to QF is negligible or even negative. But the attackes on QF would likely be due to it's longtime government ownership. People see the network shrink, and want QF to fly to "their" preferred destinations. There is a sense of entitlement regarding where QF flies - it should fly where I want to go, but I choose not to fly it.

I'm sure that's exactly the reason for it. I see commentators and journalists yearning to get back to the good ol' glory days with Qantas flying the flag all over the world, and attacking Qantas for not doing that now. I remember the angst and hand wringing when Qantas dropped FRA - the last destination in continental Europe.

It doesn't help that airline junkies are growth-oriented by nature and any pull back suggests that Qantas - and thus, by implication Australia - has somehow failed.

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Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:30 pm

Speaking as a journalist I would like to see a link to any commentary since the turn of the century calling for Qantas to spread the flag all over the world.

Most of the commentary and reporting has been a regurtiation of media releases.

However one thing that this reporter and the group CEO of Qantas actually agree on its the desirability of Qantas expanding back into places in Europe where it has previously been, or even new destinations.

Mr Joyce has spoken firmly and on the record on the desirability of running 787-9s from Dubai into some of those markets. He has even been backed up by Mr Clark at Emirates.

The commentary that is now truly damaging to Qantas is not by and large from the media, but from the proprietary and copyright protected financial services bulletins that I'm sure some of those in the room will be familiar with. The share price reflects this.

That commentary doesn't take issue in most cases with the narrative that Qantas is a hopless position geoegrpahically and that the Australian economy is dragged down by unions, lack of productivity and so forth. It does however increasingly take issue with the performance of Qantas management.

These people want to know what happened to the single aisle premium Asia based carrier that Qantas would control from a minority equity position. They want to know why Jetstar Hong Kong was to be set up to be a Qantas controlled entity which by definition is prohibited by HK's basis law.

They want results. The defining issue in my opinion in the next year or so will be the need to exercise or lose options on deliveries for 787-9s starting in 2016. The investment community wants to see words turned into deeds, and dividends.

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Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:01 pm

Going to show my QF ignorance here - but why didn't they do A380 maintenance out of AVV? Hangars not big enough?
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 39):
Speaking as a journalist I would like to see a link to any commentary since the turn of the century calling for Qantas to spread the flag all over the world.

I'm sure we all see things differently - I can only report what I have seen, from a slight (NZ) remove, both in the media and the social media.

I'm sure your perspective is different, given that you are a journalist and you may have more respect for (or be more forgiving of) the media generally than I do.

My personal association with the media, that is print journalism, has been less than happy. Statements I have made have been either quoted out of context or the context of them changed to fit in with the journalists own, preconceived agenda. On several occasions I have been told that a journalist wants to discuss my work, and the interview proceeds with some of that, but all that finally appears in the article are comments about my sexuality.

I note the headline in The Age today:

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-axes-300-jobs-20131108-2x774.html

"Fears over safety as Qantas closes Avalon facility, axes 300 jobs"

While that is "true" is not not reflective of who has the fears and the addition of one word - "Union" - might have been a more accurate representation of the truth, if less alarmist. Nor do I read in the article any of even the more obvious counterbalancing arguments in favour of outsourcing.

Generally, with regard to Qantas, it is my view that many of the commentators - not all - latch onto the negative while giving Virgin Australia a free pass. Virgin's losses have frequently been forgiven as "building for the future" - the Qantas losses have not been shown the same generosity.

I also recall particularly happened at the the time of the grounding, when I was one of the very few voices - here - to suggest that Mr. Joyce might have a case and might win, and I was hauled over the coals for even daring to suggest it. This was reflective of many - not all - of the attitudes that appeared in the media.

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Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:55 pm

Mariner,

Such comments directed to anyone are to be condemned. I'm deeply sorry that this sort thing continues to happen, and that it has happened to you.

I'm both very critical and despairing of what had happened to my profession. By and large the responsibility for content in media sites and papers has shifted to the PR and image management trade, and the notion of quizzical or experienced writers has withered on the vine as the traditional media has become much less sustainable or profitable.

In the early 80s reporters who repeated PR material without doing original inquries and fact checking were rountely fired by newspapers. Today their successors are pestered to top and tail PR handouts to provide safe, commercially sound commentary and in volume. Some good people cling to their positions in this country, and I'm quite concerned for the future of some of them.

Similarly I'n not thrilled by social media where it creates walled gardens behind which only content that is 'liked' exists and there is very little fact checking in evidence from what are often anonymous contributors some of whom are just trolling.

As a writer I'm often surprised too by how selectively reports can be read. I recall a recent interview I did with Mr Joyce in which he detailed the plan to refurbish all of the business class seats in the A330s which despite the use of quotation marks was argued to be speculation. There is a thread on this forum concerning T4 at SIN in which it is abundantly clear that some but not all of those in the discussion had actually read the source material.

Differing opinions are good. It's good to share and learn. It's not good for you or anyone to be pestered, bullied, and treated in a rude and disrespectful manner.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:24 pm

Quoting Rotation (Reply 40):
Going to show my QF ignorance here - but why didn't they do A380 maintenance out of AVV? Hangars not big enough?

I suspect recognition that as 9 frames of 744 are not going to support AVV, then 12 frames of A380 are not going to be enough either.

Quoting mariner (Reply 41):
Generally, with regard to Qantas, it is my view that many of the commentators - not all - latch onto the negative while giving Virgin Australia a free pass. Virgin's losses have frequently been forgiven as "building for the future" - the Qantas losses have not been shown the same generosity.

Im afraid that this is an example of Australia's tall poppy syndrome being demonstrated pure and simple. Nothing more nothing less. It is something that QF needs to (and does) deal with.

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 42):
I'm both very critical and despairing of what had happened to my profession. By and large the responsibility for content in media sites and papers has shifted to the PR and image management trade, and the notion of quizzical or experienced writers has withered on the vine as the traditional media has become much less sustainable or profitable

Off topic warning. Perhaps the role of the media is no longer what it was. What organisation is going to replace, it I do not know. Im sure that Ben can speak volumes on this (though this is not the place for that I am sure). But then that is change. Perhaps (whilst we might think it does) current society does not need the media of old that was investigating the clear moral hazard that was the thing of the 70´s, 80´s, 90s´. Is the moral hazard of the 00s, 10s as clear to us as it was in the past?
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:47 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 32):
The figures they provided about AVV (22months down time in 4 years) are astounding and it is a no brainer it will be closed. Hopefully gets moved to BNE with the rest of QF maintenance (correct? BNE will be the only Oz-based heavy maintenance for QF now?) but agreed will probably move overseas. Shame but can hardly blame them.

That is one PR take on it.

I would suggest even if they were able to keep the Avalon base busy 12 months of the year it would still have a significant cost disadvantage to an Asian MRO.

I would argue the backwards and forwards between the unions and QF to save the facility was probably more of a PR stunt on QF's part than anything else.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:53 pm

Let's not forget that QFs domestic competitors don't do any heavy checks in Australia.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 42):
Such comments directed to anyone are to be condemned. I'm deeply sorry that this sort thing continues to happen, and that it has happened to you.

Thanks, Ben.

My opinion of the media is not high, but I have the hide of a rhinoceros and - mostly - it rolls off. It strikes me curious that the fact that I aim the only Australian - ever - to have an Image Award from the NAACP, the (US) National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, is considered totally irrelevant in the face of the fact that I do it with blokes.

But I will go to my grave believing that at least some of the more extreme union antagonism - and perhaps some of the media - towards Mr. Joyce is because of that.

Quoting BenSandilands (Reply 42):
Differing opinions are good. It's good to share and learn.

  

I read your blog every day. I don't always agree with you (as you might have guessed), but it usually enriches my knowledge.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:56 am

Apparently AR plans to discontinue services to SYD effective 02APR14 due to "operational constraints" associated with the a/c AR deploys on the loss-making route. Thus Qantas and LAN will be the only carriers linking Australia with South America.
Link in Spanish:
http://www.telam.com.ar/movil/notas/...ra-los-vuelos-durante-el-2014.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:07 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):
Apparently AR plans to discontinue services to SYD effective 02APR14 due to "operational constraints" associated with the a/c AR deploys on the loss-making route. Thus Qantas and LAN will be the only carriers linking Australia with South America.
Link in Spanish:
http://www.telam.com.ar/movil/notas/....html

Interesting,I wonder if QF could operate a SYD-SCL-EZE service during downtime in SCL if timings permits.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread #81

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:22 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 47):

Wait, so they're not going to take the SQ A345s either?
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