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Vueling To Open A Base At Brussels-7 New Routes

Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:28 pm

According to Vueling's Twitter account, they will open a new base in Brussels from 1st May 2014.
Rome, Lisbon, Oporto, Venice, Santiago de Compostela, Ibiza and Palma de Mallorca will be open, bringing a total of 11 routes routes operated from BRU.

http://vuelingnews.com/2013/11/06/vu...te-nuevas-rutas-el-proximo-verano/
 
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RE: Vueling To Open A Base At Brussels-7 New Routes

Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:53 pm

Another news which explains the difficulties to come for the Ryanair economic model. It will for sure partially affect the FR CRL operations.
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:54 pm

Please note that what Vueling calls a base..........is an aircraft and crew overnight for every other carrier.
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 2):
Please note that what Vueling calls a base..........is an aircraft and crew overnight for every other carrier.

FR and other LCCs use this same definition of "base."
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RE: Vueling To Open A Base At Brussels-7 New Routes

Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 3):

FR and other LCCs use this same definition of "base."

In most of Ryanair's cases, they call it a "base" when the crew are based in that city.

In this case I think it will be people based somewhere else (i.e. BCN) that will be put in a hotel overnight in Brussels.
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4):
In most of Ryanair's cases, they call it a "base" when the crew are based in that city.

I believe FR only calls it a base when an aircraft (or more) remain there overnight. But I might be wrong.
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:37 pm

Good news. I think the potential of BRU is far from being totally exhausted. Time will say if Ryanair suffers from this move. The 6 destinations are interesting. Nevertheless, I have my doubts about Santiago de Compostela (SCQ). Even if only a summer route, it will be difficult to fill a 180 pax A-320 three times per week.
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:52 pm

Interesting development. I do not clearly understand, what the real IAG strategy for IAG is. It looked at the beginning, that this carrier to operate from Spain on low cost base, where Iberia is not competitive. But Vueling is expanding outside Spain, bases in Toulouse, Amsterdam, Rome, now Brussels. Are they going to be wide LCC and compete with easyJet? (at the same time with Ryanair, but their easyJet model looks even more similar because of usage of main airports).
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting smbukas (Reply 7):
Are they going to be wide LCC and compete with easyJet? (at the same time with Ryanair, but their easyJet model looks even more similar because of usage of main airports).

Willie Walsh was quoted a few months ago as saying that Vueling's cost base is better than easyJet and his belief that the Vueling product is better, so it would suggest that they're going to take on easyJet...

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...e+on+budget+rivals+says+walsh.html
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:41 pm

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 8):
Vueling's cost base is better than easyJet and his belief that the Vueling product is better, so it would suggest that they're going to take on easyJet...

Vueling better than Easyjet? B*******t And if they want to take on EasyJet they should begin with fares, which tend to align with those of Iberia and not with the (usually) more interesting of Easyjet (I know, it depends of a lot of factors, but this is my personal experience).
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:51 am

Quoting spantax (Reply 9):

Vueling better than Easyjet? B*******t And if they want to take on EasyJet they should begin with fares, which tend to align with those of Iberia and not with the (usually) more interesting of Easyjet (I know, it depends of a lot of factors, but this is my personal experience).

I agree. I think the product is OK, I like the concept. Not the smoothest travel experience, but that seems to be acceptable if you brand your airlines as a LCC.

However, their fares are competing with IB/LH/AF/KL/BA... instead of with U2.
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:59 am

What Vueling needs to do in Brussels is not to take on U2 and FR but to brake the Start Alliance grip on flights from that city. Brussels needs more competition on routes to Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Scandinavia, the UK and Athens (I still do not believe how the EU allowed this big montser monopoly in Central Europe).

I could see Vueling flying from Brussels to:

- Athens
- Munich
- Vienna
- Edinburgh
- Manchester
- Stockholm
- ....
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:05 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 11):
I could see Vueling flying from Brussels to:

- Athens
- Munich
- Vienna
- Edinburgh
- Manchester
- Stockholm
- ....

I don't know the situation of each of these pairs, but Vueling will get 62 new A320 NEO in the coming years, so they will have to use them somewhere. The domestic Spanish market is quite depressed at the moment, Ryanair is strong there, Air Europa seems in good shape and the HST (high speed train, AVE) is gaining ground (more agressive pricing policy with discounts and progress of construction of new lines, albeit on a slow path due to the financial crisis of the country). Thus, Europe as a whole could be the only option.
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RE: Vueling To Open A Base At Brussels-7 New Routes

Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:07 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 3):
FR and other LCCs use this same definition of "base."

FR crew don't overnight unless they're out of hours, wx, diversions, a/c gone tech etc.

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4):
In most of Ryanair's cases, they call it a "base" when the crew are based in that city.

  

Quoting UALWN (Reply 5):
I believe FR only calls it a base when an aircraft (or more) remain there overnight. But I might be wrong.

FR has more than 50 bases with crew living & working in these bases.
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:29 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 11):
What Vueling needs to do in Brussels is not to take on U2 and FR but to brake the Start Alliance grip on flights from that city. Brussels needs more competition on routes to Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Scandinavia, the UK and Athens (I still do not believe how the EU allowed this big montser monopoly in Central Europe).

Agree that such a move would be far more interesting. The announced routes are just basically more of the usual bread and butter sun & beach destinations. But as VY will be expanding throughout Europe and getting new planes, I wouldn't rule out such a possibility later on.
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 13):
FR has more than 50 bases with crew living & working in these bases.

And at least an aircraft spending the night there, right?
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 14):
Agree that such a move would be far more interesting. The announced routes are just basically more of the usual bread and butter sun & beach destinations. But as VY will be expanding throughout Europe and getting new planes, I wouldn't rule out such a possibility later on.

For me Vueling could be the solution to IAG or OW hole in Central Europe. If successful, routes operated by Vueling could have some seats reserved for IB and BA passengers (meaning code shares), where frequent travelers can earn and redeem avios points. After all, BA has now hand luggage only fares and they can be mapped to Vueling's fare + a small premium to Vueling to help them.

I think Vueling should also try to start bases in MAN and EDI thus bring back IAG to the UK regions.
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:20 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):
And at least an aircraft spending the night there, right?

Yep both crew & a/c return to base unless there is a diversion.
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 11):
I could see Vueling flying from Brussels to:

- Athens
- Munich
- Vienna
- Edinburgh
- Manchester
- Stockholm

MAN-BRU with Vueling would be nice, but from my experience of flying that route with SN back in April the flight wasn't well-loaded. Whether it's down to lack of publicity or high fares or both I can't say. They would also indirectly compete with FR's CRL route.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 16):
I think Vueling should also try to start bases in MAN and EDI thus bring back IAG to the UK regions.

The only problem with a MAN base is where else would they serve that isn't served already by U2, LS, FR, ZB, BE and others. There's gaps, but can they be made viable?

That said, MAD is one route which I reckon could do with a choice besides FR, and I think BCN could do with some competition besides ZB and the seasonal offering from LS. SVQ and OPO would also be nice along with VLC.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:22 am

If true... Such good news, BRU is great for us and with FR and W9 changing for everything.... I'd hope they succeed! We need LCCs like nobody else... Living in Antwerp, I get cheaper flights to WAW than LON area! Go Vueling!
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:29 am

On a side note. Does anybody knows what happened to the old Pier C at BRU? IIRC it was closed for a long time, then there were plans to put it back to use for LCC and I think there were some refurbishment works going on a couple of years ago, but then everything stopped and... What is the situation now? I think that due to its shape (round) and its position relative to Pier A and B that would allow boarding by foot (i.e. using both stairs of the ac), it could serve extremely well the LCC. It recalls me the round "satellites" in use at Geneva (GVA), mostly used by Easyjet (and Darwin, oh those beautiful Saab 2000...)
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:26 am

Interesting that the CEO of IAG touts the VG product as "far superior" to easyJet. Other than their signature hue of Orange U2 bears very little resemblance to the airline portrayed on ITV's "Airline". Their website is excellent, easy to use. They will change ANY return ticket to an earlier flight on the day, assigned seating and priority boarding, either a-la-carte or included with "speedy boarding plus card", friendly crews, good buy-on-board selection, pitch is a bit tight but no worse than VG or IB. easyJet's rapid and impressive growth at LGW, in particular, demonstrate that their product is absolutely what customers want.

Other than offering an IB code, I can't see any way that VG is "far superior". Mind you this is the man with the cheek to charge legacy fares for the LCC in and I2 products.
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 21):
Interesting that the CEO of IAG touts the VG product as "far superior" to easyJet.

The only "far superior" thing of Vueling in comparison to Easyjet are fares.
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4):
In this case I think it will be people based somewhere else (i.e. BCN) that will be put in a hotel overnight in Brussels.

It remains to be seen. Except for FCO, the schedule is built around a single aircraft based in BRU. FCO flights will originate in FCO with 90 minutes on the ground in BRU. I wonder why such a long ground time. It can't be to rotate an aircraft in/out as the BRU-based plane will not be back from LIS by the time the FCO flight heads out...

Quoting spantax (Reply 20):
Does anybody knows what happened to the old Pier C at BRU?

It hosts the offices of Brussels Airport Company.
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Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:04 pm

Quoting spantax (Reply 20):
It recalls me the round "satellites" in use at Geneva (GVA), mostly used by Easyjet (and Darwin, oh those beautiful Saab 2000...)

Quite a few other carriers also use the "satellites" at GVA including almost all non-Schengen narrow-body flights (BA/EI/TK etc.) and some widebodies. AC 763s almost always use one of the satellites. Noted a KU A300 at one of those gates recently.

All gates in the main terminal are Schengen, except the 3 or 4 gates at the east end mostly used by widebodies.
 
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RE: Vueling To Open A Base At Brussels-7 New Routes

Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:10 am

Quoting spantax (Reply 20):
On a side note. Does anybody knows what happened to the old Pier C at BRU? IIRC it was closed for a long time, then there were plans to put it back to use for LCC and I think there were some refurbishment works going on a couple of years ago, but then everything stopped and... What is the situation now?

Pier C has been completely converted into offices. Customs, federal police and Brussels Airport Company are using them. As far as I know, it was never intended to be used as a LCC terminal. But the structure connecting pier C to the main building was supposed to have the LCC departure gates, some work was done but halted when the project was abandoned.

Also, the old departure hall from 1958 was designated for the LCC project, but all construction there has also been stopped a few years ago so now it remains half finished. Such a waste of space.
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:09 pm

For those interested: Since yesterday (at least for BRU-SCQ -Santiago de Compostela- which I checked) non-stop flights are already on sale. For instance, for SCQ a return in May is 138/148 EUR and in July 160/170 EUR (and without the hassle of having to go via MAD). I checked SCQ because is the only new destination from BRU. Let's hope this base and routes consolidate.
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:11 pm

Quoting bwest (Reply 25):
Pier C has been completely converted into offices. Customs, federal police and Brussels Airport Company are using them. As far as I know, it was never intended to be used as a LCC terminal. But the structure connecting pier C to the main building was supposed to have the LCC departure gates, some work was done but halted when the project was abandoned.

What a shame and a waste. Offices can be put pretty much anywhere on the airport property. This is valuable terminal space with easy direct access to the tarmac. IMO BRU should convert it back to what it was meant for - processing pax - and use it as a LCC pier as once planned.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:20 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 27):
What a shame and a waste. Offices can be put pretty much anywhere on the airport property. This is valuable terminal space with easy direct access to the tarmac. IMO BRU should convert it back to what it was meant for - processing pax - and use it as a LCC pier as once planned

I agree 100%

And even more, taxiing times from this Pier C to all 3 runways are very short. And, without interfering with the traffic of other piers, it could be possible to imbark by foot, i.e. using both doors, which is a key factor for the 25-30 minutes turnaround.
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