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Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:03 am

US 747 freighter operator Evergreen International Airlines has announced to employees it will be closing its doors effective Friday, Nov. 29.

The closure will eliminate most of the parent company's remaining workforce.

Here is story:
http://newsregister.com/blog?article...n-source-blog#.UnxBz7XQLzg.twitter


Maybe not much of a surprise to those watching the company in recent years.
After being almost fully dependent on military activity for a decade, EZ has seen its fleet shrink to barely 3 operational aircraft in recent times while also experiencing all types of financial issues including having aircraft being grounded and inability to make payroll in a timely manner.

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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:14 am

What a shame, I think EV has one of the prettiest liveries in the skies.  

I've gone through JFK many times in the past few months and every time there have been 2 744s at the hangar and one ex-KE plane that I'm not sure if it belongs to them or not, but it is parked at their hangar.

I wish all the employees (and the planes, because we've seen what it's been like unloading used 744s lately) the best of luck!!
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:33 am

I'm wondering, did Boeing possibly see this coming when they shifted their Dreamlifter ops from Evergreen to Atlas? Or was that simply another nail in the coffin?
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:34 am

I was happy to see one of their jets in the SV Cargo livery over New York this past summer.

It's too bad they are going out! From what I read, they were a pretty good cargo airline. I also liked how they picked up N779BA and left in the untitled Korean Air livery.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 3):
From what I read, they were a pretty good cargo airline.

On the contrary, Evergreen represented the lowest common denominator in the industry. Their aircraft was barely serviceable, and always operated with a multiple of malfunctions in the cargo loading system. Their ground handling services were even worse. They paid their staff a pittance, and was considered by many as a last resort.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:33 am

My second trip to Hawaii was on EZ, it was a DC-8-50 aircraft, and I remember it being August 1980. We flew PDX-OGG-PDX, going 1x weekly, a Saturday only schedule, operating a full routing of SEA-PDX-OGG-PDX-SEA in one day.

I now live 30 miles from McMinnville, and see that 747 atop their museum and water park each time I drive to the coast. It's sad to see the last part of this once proud airline die off. I understand there is more to EZ than McMinnville, but there is a local attachment to me.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:29 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 4):
On the contrary, Evergreen represented the lowest common denominator in the industry. Their aircraft was barely serviceable, and always operated with a multiple of malfunctions in the cargo loading system.

So they were something like the Tower Air of cargo.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:56 am

This is very sad, but as others have already said, the writing was on the wall considering the loss of key contracts. The environment is unimaginably tough for these smaller cargo carriers and makes you wonder who's next.

I will miss seeing their planes here in Hong Kong, a destination that offered them a lot of business back when times were good. I doubt the -400F/400BCFs/400BDSF will get a new lease on life so they are probably destined to be scrapped.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:01 pm

Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:07 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???

This is the state of that 747 last May.



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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:07 pm

So perhaps now EVA Air can rename themselves Evergreen...
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:35 pm

It's quite a shame to see another old-time airline go out of business. Any time a business that flies the big planes goes down, it's just another nail in the coffin for diversity in the skies. I will be sad when the day comes that all the skies are dominated by twin-engine aircraft. I hope all those employees will be able to find work elsewhere soon!
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:50 pm

This one will live on.


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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:56 pm

Another weak link bites the dust.

In fairness however this had long been in coming. The last decade the aviation group has been on a continual decline and selling off assets. Just this year the helicopter division was sold off to cover almost $300mil in debt.

EZ as an airline really had no business model either the last decade except to rely almost entirely on Uncle Sam for the military flying which had to come to an end eventually. Also being stuck with an all 747 classic fleet that even the US government did not want to operate left EZ in a expensive spot to move away from.
I guess of the current fleets 3 744s, one was repo'd by Boeing for a while, while vendors and employees failed to get paid consistently last few months.

Then there are the legal issues still pending including tax investigation about money being moved around improperly under guise of a non-profit organization, plus a few big lawsuits including one from the UAE.

I guess for now the theme park remains.....
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:11 pm

I expect that the B747-400's will join N471EV, N478EV,N482EV, N485EV, N486EV, N487EV, N488EV, N489EV and N490EV in the desert.

Hopefully, the B747-400's, (unlike the B747-200's) will fly again.

Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:29 pm

So what happens to the other divisions?
EAGLE ground operations?
Helicopters?

I suspect Menzies or Swissport will buy EAGLE. Three Mile Lane buildings may not be supported sufficiently
by the remaining small businesses?
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:33 pm

Another company that turned problems into disaster by going the cost efficiency route.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:57 pm

Not sure how many a.netters knew that Evergreen used to have passenger flights using Lockheed Electras and DC-8's acquired from Air New Zealand. I worked for a independent contractor in the late 70's that trained their flight attendants who were very vague about when and where they flew. IIRC the late Shah of Iran was flown from CAI to the US aboard an Evergreen aircraft when he was very sick. Evergreen flew a lot of military charters within the continental US--their Electras were in very good shape--the DC-8's--not so much.

McMinnville, OR always seemed like an odd place to have an airline headquarters but I suppose that is the way their patrons wanted it.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
McMinnville, OR always seemed like an odd place to have an airline headquarters but I suppose that is the way their patrons wanted it.


Del Smith, the founder was from the Seattle and started with helicopters growing the company from there. His biography is pretty amazing -- started out in an orphanage and won the Wright Brothers Trophy in 1999. It was a huge operation at one time helicopters, cargo, security etc. worldwide.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:04 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???

Evergreen's Supertanker was issued a new CWN (Call When Needed) contract by the USFS this spring which was supposed to go into effect July 1 of this year. Originally, they were going to do a C-check on the plane in August and have it operational by September, however that was deferred, I'm guessing do to their financial issues. They decided to have it operational by the 2014 fire season, although, now I would imagine its future is likely more taking up space in the desert.

Sources:

New Contract

Scheduled C Check (Item 7)

Deferred
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1):

The ex Ke bird is indeed an evergreen BCF. However they did not have the money to repaint it before they took delivery. Unfortunately, the BCF's will probably end up in the desert. Boeing had two more waiting for delivery, but evergreen would not pay on debt for the first couple.

The the classic that was parked at JFK is nearing completion on being put back together if it already hasn't been finished and returned.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I understand there is more to EZ than McMinnville, but there is a local attachment to me.

Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0l5O9XiSBQ
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:22 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 8):
Whatever happened to their 747 supertanker program and how will this be affected???



This is the state of that 747 last May.

On the bright side, at least it looks like there was some forward thinking on their part by looking into a 747 twin.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:24 pm

Wasn't EV once associated with the CIA or was it World ? You would think they would wait til after Christmas (if their contracts entailed such freight) . I remember reading last year about them retiring the last classic 747.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:30 pm

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 21):
Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

That's a great video! Thanks for sharing it.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:05 pm

I understand that Evergreen did buy some assets from Air America.

Whether it went further than that is less clear.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:12 pm

I also think Evergreen had the best scheme out there. Liked seeing it on the 727-100s, DCV-9s, 747s DC-8s and so on. Last one I saw was a 747-400 here at SEA within last few months.

I bet there a re some in Missoula,MT that remember them either with fondness or the opposite.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:32 pm

I wonder if U2 (easyJet) will be applying to IATA to take on the EZ code?
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 23):

no, that was Southern!
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 28):
no, that was Southern!


Southern Air Transport was CIA but Evergreen is thought to have had various CIA connections.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:19 am

I remember when their old 741s used to drop into AKL every Sunday Afternoon.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:30 am

I sure am gonna miss seeing them in PHX around Christmas...
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:20 am

Evergreen had quite an interesting fleet over the years; check it out -

http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/evergreen.html

I knew some of the pilots over the years during my non-sched days with Airlift, ONA, World and Arrow Air. They didn't seem to treat the employees very well, but this was during the late 70s/early 80s. My neighbor and fellow Cessna 170 owner was an F/E with Evergreen until he was furloughed when they parked the classics. He was grateful for the job (ex-ATA).

So many non-scheds are gone now. I hope World hangs in there!
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
Not sure how many a.netters knew that Evergreen used to have passenger flights using Lockheed Electras and DC-8's acquired from Air New Zealand.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
My second trip to Hawaii was on EZ, it was a DC-8-50 aircraft, and I remember it being August 1980. We flew PDX-OGG-PDX, going 1x weekly, a Saturday only schedule, operating a full routing of SEA-PDX-OGG-PDX-SEA in one day.

Yes, and considering it was a charter flight, the EZ crew did a nice job of taking care of our family for 5 1/2 hours.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 21):

Same here.

Here's a an EZ 747 landing at McMinnville. If you're not familiar with MMV, this is more impressive than it may seem.

Very cool, thanks for sharing that video! I remember as a kid going by MMV and looking for what aircraft were there.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:43 am

Heard last week form a former Evergreen employee that this was coming. Apparently alot of the issues tie back to the company owner, his age, medical issues, and refusal to try to give the airline life.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:02 am

Glad I was able to catch one of their 742s last December.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:11 am

An iconic airline. The one image that always strikes me in regards to EV is HIM Empress Farah Pahlavi peering out of the aircraft while the aeroplane was detained in The Bahamas, carrying her and HIM Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi's passport as the CIA negotiated with the Islamic Republic in regards to the hostages.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:16 am

I remember the end scene from Die Hard 2 showing one of there 747's getting blown up at the end killing all the bad guys with it.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 14):
Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 19):
Evergreen's Supertanker was issued a new CWN (Call When Needed) contract by the USFS this spring which was supposed to go into effect July 1 of this year. Originally, they were going to do a C-check on the plane in August and have it operational by September, however that was deferred, I'm guessing do to their financial issues. They decided to have it operational by the 2014 fire season, although, now I would imagine its future is likely more taking up space in the desert.

I can easily see someone buying into that asset. It's too good of a technological marvel to waste.

Quoting jfritz (Reply 31):
I sure am gonna miss seeing them in PHX around Christmas...
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 35):
Glad I was able to catch one of their 742s last December.

Me too. I loved seeing that old girl land :
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:02 pm

Hold on a second, this was published on Evergreen's website yesterday:

McMinnville, Oregon -- November 8, 2013

As has been previously reported in the press, Evergreen's business has been adversely impacted over the past several years by decreased demand in military spending and weakness in global economic markets. Management has moved to aggressively address these challenges, including through the divestiture of businesses and assets and the significant reduction of secured debt. Evergreen is in discussions with its significant constituencies and is exploring available strategic alternatives with those constituencies.

While Evergreen generally does not comment on market rumor or conjecture, rumors that a decision has been made to cease operations at this time are false. Evergreen remains committed to continuing to address the current business environment with its customers.

-Delford M. Smith
Chief Executive Officer,
Evergreen International Aviation, Inc.

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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:43 pm

There is such a need for these aerial water bombers to fight fires. I hope some other user will pick them up. I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 39):
Hold on a second, this was published on Evergreen's website yesterday:

Sure Evergreen as a company may continue, but go look at pilot boards, as crews were notified their last day was 28th.

Notice - Evergreen International Airlines is only one piece of the larger Evergreen International Aviation, Inc family.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Notice - Evergreen International Airlines is only one piece of the larger Evergreen International Aviation, Inc family.

Yeah they can live on through their agriculture.

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/index_ag.html

But I believe their Maintenance Center in Marana is doing well.

http://maranaaerospace.com/

Looks like EAGLE has a decent amount of stations as well. I know they mostly handle Cargo operations?
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 42):
But I believe their Maintenance Center in Marana is doing well.

Marana was sold in 2011 -- hence why it was renamed and Evergreen name dropped.

http://www.evergreenaviation.com/p_releases/053111.html
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:50 pm

The tanks were taken out of the SuperTanker and it just has two time-expired engines hung on it for balance, so if anyone wants it to use on fires it's going to take time and money to get it going again
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Marana was sold in 2011 -- hence why it was renamed and Evergreen name dropped.

Was not aware of that. Good to see Marana still doing good though.
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:47 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 40):
There is such a need for these aerial water bombers to fight fires. I hope some other user will pick them up. I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.

Yep, I went onboard one about a week ago. It's an amazing machine to go onboard..
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:43 am

Quoting billreid (Reply 15):
So what happens to the other divisions?
EAGLE ground operations?
Helicopters?

I suspect Menzies or Swissport will buy EAGLE. Three Mile Lane buildings may not be supported sufficiently
by the remaining small businesses?

I would assume that the ground handling operation would continue if its profitable. If not, I'm rooting for Swissport.
 
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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:15 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 14):
Hopefully, N470EV and N479EV will also return to their fire fighting role in the future.

479 (Tanker 979) was the last operational Supertanker. 470 was the first and the system was removed from it, modified, and installed on 479. If and when the SUpertanker operation resumes, only 479 would be operational. There aren't two systems or essentially two modified aircraft.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 40):
I know there is at least one DC-10 used for this purpose.

There are two DC-10s actually, a -10 and a -30.


Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Sure Evergreen as a company may continue, but go look at pilot boards, as crews were notified their last day was 28th.

Yes, with that website response and the layoff notice to crew, I suspect they chose to suspend operations, layoff employees, but not entirely cease yet. Though the longer that continues, the harder it will be to resume. I wonder if there is any indication they filed Chapter 11?



Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 44):
The tanks were taken out of the SuperTanker and it just has two time-expired engines hung on it for balance, so if anyone wants it to use on fires it's going to take time and money to get it going again

I would be surprised this is the case on 479 as there doesn't seem to be a reason to remove the system. 470 does not have any tanks and was not planned to be used again as a Supertanker.

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RE: Evergreen Cargo To Shutdown

Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:18 pm

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...lts.aspx?NNumbertxt=470EV&x=15&y=9

Given that it was built in 1974, with an airworthy date in 2006, I suspect that N470EV will become coke cans.

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