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Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:54 am

We all know by now that US will merge with AA! I was woundering just for a short amount of time will we see the US Airways logo and tail on the Oneworld website?

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:58 am

I heard US is scheduled to enter OW in Jan, again that is what I heard in the rumor mill.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:11 am

Word is US will leave Star on March, 31st and join OW on April 1st.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:14 am

I for one will be sorry to see US Air leave *A, but wish it all the best in it's new journey with One world!
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:36 am

Quoting jetsetterusa (Thread starter):
I was woundering just for a short amount of time will we see the US Airways logo and tail on the Oneworld website?
Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):
Word is US will leave Star on March, 31st and join OW on April 1st.

And eventually, the US Airways name will disappear altogether as they become one airline with American...
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):

Word is US will leave Star on March, 31st and join OW on April 1st.

That would just be so fitting for the joksters... Really on April 1st????!?!?!?
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:08 am

According to several reports I have read, US will join oneworld in the first quarter of 2014 but exit *A as quickly as possible.

Given that US and AA will offer reciprocal frequent flyer benefits starting 7 January, I suspect this all may be connected but I am far from certain - esp. because I've read about 50 stories on this today.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:29 am

Quoting TUSAA (Reply 2):
Word is US will leave Star on March, 31st and join OW on April 1st.

Are you sure? I read from an AA source it's January 20th, 2014. Do you have a source?

Quoting jetsetterusa (Thread starter):
I was woundering just for a short amount of time will we see the US Airways logo and tail on the Oneworld website?

Why would you see a US logo on the oneworld website? US airways, as of January 7th, 2014 will no longer exist. It will officially be known as AA.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:52 am

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 7):
Are you sure? I read from an AA source it's January 20th, 2014. Do you have a source?

That's what was said at a AA/US employee meeting earlier today.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:01 am

Yea does make sense to even put the name on the OneWorld site if the name will disappear? How long will the US name be around?
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:02 am

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 7):
Why would you see a US logo on the oneworld website? US airways, as of January 7th, 2014 will no longer exist. It will officially be known as AA.

Not exactly. As far as I understand, US Airways will continue to exist as an entity for quite some time.

Quote:
Robert Isom of US Airways will take on the duties of chief operating officer of American Airlines Group and CEO of US Airways, which will continue to operate as a separate airline following the merger until full integration is accomplished.

From American Airlines and US Airways Announce Post-Merger Management Team
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:22 am

This may have been answered before, but what about integration of frequent flyer miles? Will a customer with both just have their US Air miles added to their AAdvantage number?
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:46 pm

what a big boost for Oneworld and American's joint biz partners

does anybody know how large Oneworld's global market share will be after JJ & US join? should narrow the gap to *A & ST quite a bit
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 11):

This may have been answered before, but what about integration of frequent flyer miles? Will a customer with both just have their US Air miles added to their AAdvantage number?

You are likely asking about something that is still 6-12+ months away from being done.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:04 pm

How long will US as a brand (and a tail on the ow website) be effective? When will full integration take place?
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Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:20 pm

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
You are likely asking about something that is still 6-12+ months away from being done.

I think it was Kirby that said the FF programs would be merged in January.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:45 pm

I wonder what kind of impact this will have on UA.

From my perspective, very little. I have been a loyal UA flyer for 20 years out of ORD and never flown US. I haven't been avoiding US but whenever US came up as an option when booking a flight, UA always had a better option. Even my wife who is Platinum on UA only has needed to fly them a few times.

But I assume that if you are loyal to UA and you don't live in a UA hub city, that US comes into play much more.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 16):
I think it was Kirby that said the FF programs would be merged in January.

Not quite. The 2 programs will be integrated. I believe this is what you are referring to:

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January 7, 2014, however, will be “a big day for us,” Scott Kirby, who will serve as COO of the combined airline, told Frequent Business Traveler. “We will become a single airline or at least take the first step of becoming a single airline” on that day, and offer reciprocal frequent flyer benefits.


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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:52 pm

I have flown US quite a few times this year, and they were significantly cheaper than UA. Plus I got UA mileage plus award redemptions during last peak season Christmas/New Year time to Europe on US only a month in advance. I will miss US airways and this means that UA will get away with higher prices from their hubs.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 15):
I wonder how long till these are a memory:

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:28 pm

In keeping with the thread title- which oneworld members will US get coziest with first (after AA obviously).
Im particularly interest in the new AA's relationship with TAM ad QR going forward. I think those two represent significant and exciting opportunities for US Airwyas/ AA to capitalize on in the short to medium term.

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 15):

I have a feeling this will be either oneWorld planes or some of the first US planes in the AA colors. It's a shame, I'm certainly going to miss US Airways.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):

In keeping with the thread title- which oneworld members will US get coziest with first (after AA obviously).

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 21):

In keeping with the thread title- which oneworld members will US get coziest with first (after AA obviously).

Well considering that US already has codesharing with QR, RJ and JJ....  
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):

Probably an old friend...

Indeed. US and BA had a very cozy relationship in the 1990s. Several US 767s were painted in BA colors, and several US FAs donned BA cabin crew uniforms. BA owned a large portion of US at this time as well. IIRC, one of the reasons for the name change from USAir to US AIRWAYS was to align themselves better with BA. Shame the alliance ended in a court battle.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 25):
Indeed. US and BA had a very cozy relationship in the 1990s. Several US 767s were painted in BA colors, and several US FAs donned BA cabin crew uniforms. BA owned a large portion of US at this time as well. IIRC, one of the reasons for the name change from USAir to US AIRWAYS was to align themselves better with BA. Shame the alliance ended in a court battle.
I happen to find two alliance videos/commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7KCL5wh8T0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7KCL...wh8T0

Sigh. You are depressing me now with those old videos. Part of me still wanted the merger to die so US would continue, but I'll have my memorabilia collection I guess going forward.  

Yeah, I want to say half of the 762s at the time were wet-leased to BA and also all the slots to LGW which given over to them. BA owned the max 25% of US, they wanted more but of course that went no where. I'm not sure on the name change though. IIRC, it happened in 1996 and the US/BA alliance ended in 97...so maybe. I know Wolf wanted the name change to make it sound like a more global carrier...not just the one that takes you through PIT.

Funny how things come full circle. Let's not forget US/AA did a FF hook up later as well, but it didn't progress much from there since the HP merger was announced shortly after - if my timeline is right.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 17):

I wonder what kind of impact this will have on UA.

You caught my curiosity. Doesn't US codeshare extensively with UA, especially on flights to Asia? This could be a relatively significant blow to UA. Does anybody have numbers on US/UA codeshares?
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 27):
You caught my curiosity. Doesn't US codeshare extensively with UA, especially on flights to Asia? This could be a relatively significant blow to UA. Does anybody have numbers on US/UA codeshares

Numbers? I know it's a lot -- up and down the Atlantic coastline from Bangor to Miami.

I've found myself using US in place of UA to get to PWM, MIA, PBI, and FLL from both BWI and DCA as US flights are more frequent and the FF points turn up in my UA account quickly.

Same with DCA to TPA/MCO/MSY/PNS. Much easier on US than UA.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 27):
Doesn't US codeshare extensively with UA, especially on flights to Asia?

US and UA have a very comprehensive codeshare, although I think the love between UA and US started declining after the merger with CO. The biggest benefit is definitely to Asia, as it allowed US to offer a "virtual" network to their FFs in an important region that they didn't fly to. Obviously those passengers will now be going AA/JL/CX, but I'm not sure that it will have a massive impact on UA. They are still upgauging capacity and adding new routes to Asia despite the imminent loss of US feed, so clearly they feel that they can fill the flights from their own network.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 25):
Indeed. US and BA had a very cozy relationship in the 1990s.

So cozy that US Air changed its name to US Airways to match British Airways.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:05 am

Quoting PanAmPaul (Reply 30):
So cozy that US Air changed its name to US Airways to match British Airways.

Lol:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 25):
IIRC, one of the reasons for the name change from USAir to US AIRWAYS was to align themselves better with BA.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:13 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 25):
BA owned a large portion of US at this time as well.
BA was ahead of the game in many ways. If I remember correctly, the US had just allowed LH and UA to codeshare and BA (which was in a much better financial position than LH) took it a step further by buying a share of USAir (as much as was allowed under US Law at the time).

The problems began when BA arranged things so that it was the one operating the routes to London and USAir was the one feeding the passengers. That in effect meant that BA was ending up with the lion's share of the revenue and all the expansion opportunities. To USAir that seemed more like a takeover and I think at some point they even made this argument to the feds in order to force BA to sell its shares.

From here, my memory of what happened next is vague. Either the feds forced the divestiture or the relationship ended when the parties settled a lawsuit which USAir filed over BA's plan to begin codesharing with AA.

Whatever the case, here they are again --- US Airways, BA, and AA.

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:22 am

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 7):

Why would you see a US logo on the oneworld website? US airways, as of January 7th, 2014 will no longer exist. It will officially be known as AA.

US Airways will not cease to exist until both US and AA are flying under the same operating certificate and that's unlikely to happen until sometime 2015 at the earliest.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Quoting arielwar (Reply 9):
How long will the US name be around?

Well I guess there are around 360 US main line aircraft to repaint. Now if they were to repaint one every week . . .

So the answer could be a lot more than a few months.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
Well I guess there are around 360 US main line aircraft to repaint. Now if they were to repaint one every week . . .

339 Mainline. But that includes the 12 737-400s that will never see the new paint.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
Probably an old friend...

  

Plugging the huge east coast hubs of PHL and CLT into the AA/BA trans-Atlantic network is going to be huge for the JV.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 33):
US Airways will not cease to exist until both US and AA are flying under the same operating certificate and that's unlikely to happen until sometime 2015 at the earliest.

True, although I suspect the rebranding is going to begin much sooner than that - likely almost immediately. Judging by some of the media reportage regarding the now-looming integration effort and interviews with executives, it sounds as though the airlines have been using this "extra" time to its full extent to get things in place for January. Sounds as if the plan is to move pretty fast after that.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 35):
339 Mainline. But that includes the 12 737-400s that will never see the new paint.

Just like with AA, I'm quite sure there are plenty of US aircraft - more than just those 12 734s - that will never be repainted as they're on their way out. In the case of US, I suspect that list of on-the-way-out aircraft includes the 762s, and also most if not all the 757s.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 36):
most if not all the 757s

US has some 1998-2002 vintage 757s, which will probably fly for AA until the end of the decade, but the 80s build frames will probably be retired fairly quickly. Also, of course, there are the early build HP A320s, several of which are hitting up on the end of their useful lives.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
Quoting arielwar (Reply 9):
How long will the US name be around?

Well I guess there are around 360 US main line aircraft to repaint. Now if they were to repaint one every week . . .

So the answer could be a lot more than a few months.

NW's fleet was larger than that and I don't think it took much more than a few months to repaint their entire fleet after the merger with DL.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:33 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 37):
Also, of course, there are the early build HP A320s, several of which are hitting up on the end of their useful lives.

Three of these are leaving during Q4. A321's will replace them.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:36 am

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 15):
Quoting PanAmPaul (Reply 20):

These aircraft have or already are in the paint shop. They are going into standard US paint.

Also should note that the Star Alliance logo that used to appear near the boarding doors were removed over the last few weeks.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 27):

UA CFO said on Q2 earnings call that they expect US leaving star will have an impact on revenue. Nothing to be alarmed about but yet an impact.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:53 am

A little unfair that US Airways is getting a shortcut. Airberlin had to reinvent itself in terms of product and customer service before oneWorld allowed it in, but US Airways gets to skip the quality improvement. A subpar airline in an alliance that is known for having rigorous quality standards.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 41):
A little unfair that US Airways is getting a shortcut. Airberlin had to reinvent itself in terms of product and customer service before oneWorld allowed it in, but US Airways gets to skip the quality improvement. A subpar airline in an alliance that is known for having rigorous quality standards.

When is it going to end? No one is forcing you to fly on the new AA. Besides better food in F class, IFE on domestic flights, and International First service are they really any different? Every single person on this site knows your hatred for US. US domestic F catering is a whole lot better than UA's yet I don't see you complaining about them at every opportunity. I haven't experienced any of the bad customer service on US that you speak of and I question if you have ever even flown US, and if you have how recently. Stop beating it around the bush.

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:40 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 41):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):

So your saying Star alliance allowed US to be in and it was subpar?

MAH I usually enjoy your posts as they are quite informative. I think you very wrong in this. US can always improve but the Y class products on both cariers are nearly identical.
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:20 am

Quoting b757capt (Reply 43):
but the Y class products on both cariers are nearly identical.

Historically, absolutely, except AA has offered IFE on most planes. Today? No, they aren't similar. AA offers PTVs, fleetwide domestic WiFi, outlets at every seat and an economy plus section.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 43):
So your saying Star alliance allowed US to be in and it was subpar?

Star Alliance allows everybody in.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):
Besides better food in F class, IFE on domestic flights, and International First service are they really any different?

Absolutely. A superior elite program with more generous upgrade scheme, baggage allowance, and mileage earning for lower tiers, a better mileage redemption program with lower to non-existant co-pays (I just redeemed first class to Hong Kong for $2.50), and superior customer service. US's international business class, hard product aside, hardly would even qualify as premium economy on a foreign carrier, so the difference goes far further than AA offering First on a limited number of routes. I'd put US J soft product on par with Cathay Pacific Y+.

Just this past weekend I was flying AA and my flight was cancelled. I was called by AA, rebooked on a United flight at a similar time, called personally by a customer service agent on my cell to make sure everything was going smoothly at the airport, and was given a $300 voucher for "my troubles," all pro-actively without me lifting a finger. That kind of service does not exist at US Airways. Period. It's a low-fare carrier with a subpar product, but that's ok because it's fares are often 25-50% lower than the competition on connecting routes. Nothing wrong with that, as long as that service culture doesn't invade the merged carrier.

Also, I don't need to be hawked credit cards during my flights using the PA as an infomercial.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):
US domestic F catering is a whole lot better than UA's yet I don't see you complaining about them at every opportunity.

Since when do I praise UA's subpar domestic catering?

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 42):
No one is forcing you to fly on the new AA.

Unfortunately, the U.S. government allowing near-monopoly like conditions in the domestic industry pretty much do force me to fly amongst a very limited number of airlines. I'm actually not too worried because I believe Parker knows he need to raise the standards of US product. I just hope US feet and crew aren't mixed into traditional AA markets until the planes are upgraded and the flight attendants re-trained to provide the pro-active service AA elites expect.

It's going to be a radical demographic shift - from being used to flying vacationers to now flying premium, high-value customers. US doesn't have many compared to UA/DL/AA, which is why upgrading, even at the lowest tier, is a breeze, and it's product continually sucks.

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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
NW's fleet was larger than that and I don't think it took much more than a few months to repaint their entire fleet after the merger with DL.

A larger fleet makes it somewhat easier to paint the aircraft more quickly than a smaller fleet, especially over the winter months. You generally have lower utilization rates and more spares in the system.
 
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RE: Oneworld And US Airways

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 26):
Funny how things come full circle. Let's not forget US/AA did a FF hook up later as well, but it didn't progress much from there since the HP merger was announced shortly after - if my timeline is right.

Actually, it was the proposed merger with UA that ended the US/AA FF arrangement. Steve Wolf became CEO of US at some point, and after putting the aircraft in the dark blue livery, decided that merging with UA was best for the long-term.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 41):
A little unfair that US Airways is getting a shortcut. Airberlin had to reinvent itself in terms of product and customer service before oneWorld allowed it in, but US Airways gets to skip the quality improvement. A subpar airline in an alliance that is known for having rigorous quality standards.

A friend of mine is an AA pilot, and that issue was brought up repeatedly, when Doug Parker was making his pitch to AA's unions. Despite the unions dislike for Horton, Arpey, and Carty and how they managed (or mismanaged) AA, most believed that AA had a much better product thatn US. The question was how Parker was planning to deal with the difference in service and product.

Parker admitted that US service hasn't been as good as AA's. The US route system has far fewer routes than AA, when it comes to generating premium traffic. For instance, US doesn't have JFK-LAX or JFK-LHR.

Parker said that the plan is to retain the service and product levels of AA and to roll out that product across the merged system. The whole idea is for the combined carrier to better compete with UA and DL. A merger won't make that happen, if AA doesn't keep up with UA and DL on service.

Think about the fact that AA competes with UA and DL in New York (DL at LGA and JFK and UA at EWR) and LAX, and AA has been duking it out with UA at ORD long before dergulation. If AA starts to become less like AA and more like US in those cities, and the elites will switch.

Even in the Metroplex, if passengers feel they are getting a US product for AA prices, they can switch to WN, as the Wright Amendment restrictions relax.