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DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:39 am

Some new service (LAS/PLS/NAS/JAX/LAX), extension of BOS/CUN through the sumer:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-expands-boston-160000557.html

Of course the article doesn't mention that we have lost BOS-YYZ and will soon lose BOS-ORF and BOS-MEM.

Also, interesting that DL's BOS-CDG is showing upguaged to 767 from 757 for Su14.

Nice to see DL flexing its muscle. Hopefully Terminal A can be DL only once UA and AS are out next year.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:55 am

Very good news indeed. Hopefully DL will grow more cities out of BOS with the US/AA merger looming.

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
Hopefully Terminal A can be DL only once UA and AS are out next year.

I thought UA was on another concourse in BOS unless these are the PMCO gates? Any word where AS is moving too?
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:05 am

Yes he is referring to the PMCO gates. Hopefully they will return to DL. There are 4 of them.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:06 am

What's the story with the thrice weekly 738 service to LAS? Is that just to take up slack in that fleet? I recognize that there is actually a good amount of business travel to LAS, but less than daily service isn't going to be particularly attractive to that crowd. Where did that route come from?

FYI when I was a BOS based UA flight attendant in 1999, I remember seeing DL 763s leaving for LAS all the time. This was back when they had biz elite service on the 763 to LAX. Oh how times have changed!
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:15 am

How many daily flights does that make? Delta's marketshare (mainline) was about 11% in July.

There are 21 gates in Terminal A. Isn't that too many for DL's market share?

By comparison, the new AA with a projected market share of 25% will operate out of 26 gates (after the divesture).

In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:37 am

Quoting TW870 (Reply 3):
I recognize that there is actually a good amount of business travel to LAS, but less than daily service isn't going to be particularly attractive to that crowd.

Given that a lot of business traffic to LAS is related to conventions and that conventions are more likely to start and end on some days than on others, LAS might be the rare market where this makes sense. I left LAS last night after a business trip and the place was a ghost town. I don't think I saw a single DL flight leave more than half full. My 738 to MEM had 6 in F and about 40 in back.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:06 am

When DL was big in the 80's, they shared Terminal C with WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW and UA. C was often called the "main" terminal then. L 10's to points all over.

If I recall, DL had ns mainline flights to:

MIA
FLL
TPA
PBI
MCO
ATL
RDU
BWI
DCA
LGA
PWM
BGR
BDL
CVG
YUL
BDA
PHL

After the merger with WA. SLC as well.

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:06:43]

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:07:28]
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:21 am

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
and will soon lose BOS-ORF

Might B6 or WN pick up this route?

For WN, the ORF-BWI schedule is reduced, the very short-haul nature not helpful, and likely a lot of connection feed to New England. ORF-ATL adequately covers south now, and ORF-MDW is there for west. Rather than fly to BWI for connection to New England, it could capture better with a nonstop up to BOS.

B6 has the BOS hub/focus city.

One would think either would try to get in on the route before the other one does. FL used to fly PHF-BOS as well not too long ago, so BOS now loses nonstop to both airports.

[Edited 2013-11-13 20:33:46]
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:07 am

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
will soon lose BOS-ORF

The BOS-ORF flights look like they are being moved to BOS-RIC. I suppose DL senses more business travel in that market, although they'll now be competing against B6 instead of having BOS-ORF to themselves.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:44 am

Did some dummy bookings the week of July 6th for DL in BOS, and came up with 458 Domestic weeklies departures, and 38 International weekly departures.
In total: 496 flights/week (departures), or 62,011 seats available (departure only)

So in comparison to the other legacies for the same week
DL 496 62,011
UA 335 41,434
US 495 53,552
AA 211 33,218
AA/DL/NW/CO/UA/US/B6/AC/FI/NY/EI/BD/BA/AF/AZ/DY/SK/QF/JQ
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.

Indeed however if DL has a need for the gates I really don't see Massport not wanting them to expand. Airlines aren't exacly clamoring for those gates. Massport had a heck of a time getting airlines to move to A to begin with, which is why WN ended up at terminal E. Terminal A is not a desirable terminal at BOS for anyone but Delta.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 6):

Definitely missing DFW - which was a hub at the time. Check departedflights.com - there are timetables from the 80's and 90's.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):
Terminal A is not a desirable terminal at BOS for anyone but Delta.

I'm sure it works out fine for AS. They could bump NK into there at some point as well if space was needed.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:25 pm

Just curious why Terminal A isn't desirable by other airlines.

BOS isn't a very nice airport...1970s terminals with low ceilings abound. Paint, new lighting, and new bathrooms aside, Terminal A is the only modern facility at the airport. That and the 1990s US Shuttle extension are bright spots in an airport that would generally be classified (by architecture) as 70s/80s/90s chic.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
I'm sure it works out fine for AS. They could bump NK into there at some point as well if space was needed.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):
Just curious why Terminal A isn't desirable by other airlines.

As I understand it it is the most expensive terminal at BOS, probably because it is also the newest. Not exactly a place for LCC's.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):
BOS isn't a very nice airport...1970s terminals with low ceilings abound.

Yes indeed, if this was 1995! Besides, you just described 90% of airport terminals in the US 
About the only areas in all of Logan that meet your description are the baggage claim area for terminals B and C as well as the checkin area for terminals B. Airside, they are all fairly modern. Terminal E is just as spacious and bright as terminal A, and so is terminal C.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Does DL really need more gates? I never see all the gates they have now used, unless this is about a place to store the planes overnight. As for why move UA out - I think it is less giving Delta it's own terminal as much as having one terminal for Sky Team, one for Star, and one for One World.

Terminal A might be nice and modern, but it has a few drawbacks. You have that long tunnel most passengers have to go through; poorly planned restrooms; long jet bridges; and not enough baggage conveyors to start. The Security checkpoint is also too crowded - they need a better solution there for the number of people they handle.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:20 pm

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):
In any case, Massport took over Terminal A following Delta's bankruptcy. So it is really Massport's decision whether Terminal A returns to being Delta only.

Yet the agreement in bankruptcy was to return only nine gates to Massport - six mainline gates and three parking spots in the (now obsolete) RJ pad. Given that no one seems to want the RJ parking spots (CO had taken one of the three available) and that two more gates were still available in addition to the four that CO had taken, I don't see anyone knocking on the door to come into Terminal A.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 12):

Terminal E is new (at least the check-in area). Terminal C underwent renovations to allow a common TSA area.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:53 pm

Hopefully DL will bring back their Florida flights... RSW, TPA, FLL etc. They would have no trouble using those extra 4 CO gates.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 9):
DL 496 62,011
UA 335 41,434
US 495 53,552
AA 211 33,218

AA+US will be the largest legacy? How does that compare to B6?
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:42 pm

Remember about a month ago that B6 announced BOS-DTW service starting in March 2014......
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
AA+US will be the largest legacy? How does that compare to B6?

You can use this site:
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1
Looks like B6 is around 28% market share.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:17 pm

Terminal A lease rates are much higher than other terminals so no airlines wants to fork out the cash. I wish Massport would allow some E carriers to leave. That place is busting at seems in summer, only to get busier this summer. No plans are in the works for expanded Terminal E.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:16 pm

I'd like to see them give BOS-PIT another go. Their initial effort with lousy CRJ service 3x daily was a failure from the start. B6 flies I think 2 or 3x daily with E90s, and US has 5x daily (3 E70s, 2 CRJs). With that service, did DL think they could compete against those two carriers with just 3x CRJs?

With AA and US merging, I wonder what equipment they'll use on PIT-BOS, a mix of E70s and perhaps an A319 or two thrown in? That would be sweet, but I'd be happy if AA Eagle had a mix of Republic E70/E75 equipment on there tho...

If DL should give that route another go, CRJ's aren't going to do squat, to put it bluntly...
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:26 pm

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 17):
Hopefully DL will bring back their Florida flights... RSW, TPA, FLL etc.

They are saving those for a rainy day .... the rainy day that B6 starts BOS-ATL.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:52 pm

I am curious as to the reasoning behind this expansion, as it is not one of their transfer hubs, and is not New York or Los Angeles either.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:01 pm

BOS is the fifth-busiest U.S. airport for domestic O&D traffic, behind DEN and ahead of SFO. There's plenty of demand to lots of places.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:13 am

I flew on DL to BOS this past summer and was quite impressed with the operation they had there. Lots of DL planes going to many different places. Almost felt like a hub in some respects.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):

No just no,
Support our LCC on the route with incredibly much better service, let alone always a mainline. PIT-BOS.
It's 4 daily on the 190. Not 2-3
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:33 pm

"We continue to see a growing demand in Boston and increased flights next year will give our customers more direct service at more convenient times," said Bob Cortelyou, senior vice president –Network Planning. "Boston is a key domestic city in our network, and we are committed to providing service that continues to keep us the preferred airline of our customers."

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2174

From the press release. Sounds like Delta isn't done.

Does anyone know if Delta services the AirFrance or Alitalia ground ops in Boston? One potential way to alleviate terminal E is to move skyteam departures to terminal A, which would also improve whatever connections are routing through.

That satellite pier has limited airplane space though. Trying to fit an AF 777 or 747 would be a fascinating Tarmac dance. I have no idea what those gates support for aircraft type, so this may not be possible.

As it is next summer, Delta will have 4 wide bodies departing each night between the two AMS, LHR and the seasonal CDG flight which will be on a 767 this year.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:52 pm

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 24):
I am curious as to the reasoning behind this expansion, as it is not one of their transfer hubs, and is not New York or Los Angeles either.


Please explain what a 'transfer hub" is and why Delta does not meet the defination in BOS?
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 29):
Please explain what a 'transfer hub" is and why Delta does not meet the defination in BOS?

Ha!  
There's a common misconception that because BOS is not catagorized as a hub by any airline, that connections don't take place here. Every alliance does a fair share of connections at BOS, primarily internationl-domestic connections.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:49 pm

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 4):

There are 21 gates in Terminal A. Isn't that too many for DL's market share?

Terminal A actually has 18 contact gates (8 at the main building and 10 at the satellite) and 7 RJ positions.

Quoting tlecam (Reply 28):
That satellite pier has limited airplane space though. Trying to fit an AF 777 or 747 would be a fascinating Tarmac dance. I have no idea what those gates support for aircraft type, so this may not be possible.

As it is next summer, Delta will have 4 wide bodies departing each night between the two AMS, LHR and the seasonal CDG flight which will be on a 767 this year.

The A330's to AMS aren't at the satellite at the same time so in reality only one gate is used for them (typically A14 if memory serves). A13 is still usable but A15 is blocked. The 764 to LHR departs from A19 which blocks A20. Things might get a bit tight in the late afternoon, though, since there are mainline departures to AMS, ATL, CDG, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, LHR, MSP, SLC all in the 5-7 PM time range. It might be possible to have LHR & CDG depart A18 & A20 which would only block A19 between them. But that's still a full house unless UA is out of the former CO gates by then.

Quoting NWBOS (Thread starter):
Nice to see DL flexing its muscle. Hopefully Terminal A can be DL only once UA and AS are out next year.

I didn't realize AS was leaving Terminal A. Where exactly can they go, considering that Terminal B will be full with AA/US & UA, Terminal C is becoming B6-only, and WN has all of E1A-E1E? And will DL take the United Club back which was originally a Crown Room Club?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
About the only areas in all of Logan that meet your description are the baggage claim area for terminals B and C as well as the checkin area for terminals B. Airside, they are all fairly modern. Terminal E is just as spacious and bright as terminal A, and so is terminal C.

The C airsides are pretty much just spruced up 1960's structures. The renovation of the WN gate area (former Terminal D) isn't terrible but the ceilings are still low -- and the E airside still feels pretty 1970's. The E bag claim area -- especially domestic -- is awful, dark and lots of gray concrete.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:43 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 29):
Please explain what a 'transfer hub" is and why Delta does not meet the defination in BOS?

OK, edit to 'major transfer hub'.

In any case, BOS is not listed as a hub (of any kind) in Delta's current press releases. Actually neither is LAX.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2174
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:53 pm

Delta does not ground handle any foreign carriers currently. There is talks that Air France May go back to Delta ground handling. Delta handled Air France below wing maybe 5 years ago. I could definitely see them possibly handling Virgin Atlantic in the future. They took over in JFK. As far as moving to Terminal A, I wouldn't count on it but it may be welcomed by some if it did.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):
Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 27):

No, Steeler83 is right. JetBlue operates 3 daily flights to PIT. 4 Daily on the peak days and two daily on Saturday and sometimes Wednesdays. Saturday of course is acceptable considering its the lowest day of travel in terms of passengers.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:45 pm

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 32):
In any case, BOS is not listed as a hub (of any kind) in Delta's current press releases. Actually neither is LAX.


Delta is using is partially using its expanded Boston schedule to feed its international flights to LHR,AMS, and CDG whether it is a hub or not.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 35):
Delta is using is partially using its expanded Boston schedule to feed its international flights to LHR,AMS, and CDG whether it is a hub or not.

Always surprised they don't try to feed BOS-BDA service. Its a bit too early (8:00am) of a departure from BOS as scheduled right now.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 27):
No just no,
Support our LCC on the route with incredibly much better service, let alone always a mainline. PIT-BOS.
It's 4 daily on the 190. Not 2-3

People have the right to sit in an CRJ-900 and earn their DL skypennies or US dougie dividends. Its up to B6 to make one choose service over miles. It would help to get some international award redemption partners quickly though EK is in the works.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:11 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 27):
No just no,
Support our LCC on the route with incredibly much better service, let alone always a mainline. PIT-BOS.

   Use it or lose it (the low fares), as we've seen with PIT-JFK.
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:21 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 27):
No just no,
Support our LCC on the route with incredibly much better service, let alone always a mainline. PIT-BOS.
It's 4 daily on the 190. Not 2-3

The problem is that JetBlue doesn't offer a good schedule for those from the PIT side, with the first flight arriving BOS at 10:22am. US' flight gets in at 8:19am. If one has a meeting at the client site in Boston at 9:30, US's flight is going to be better for the PIT based pax. The same thing is true with PHL. It makes it difficult to fully support them.

[Edited 2013-11-15 17:26:18]
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:57 pm

Here is a fairly indepth article from CAPA on the Delta expansion in BOS. I just discovered this website, so I don't know how reputable it is - would appreciate other a.netter advice on that topic.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...p-with-new-market-roll-outs-139724
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 28):
Does anyone know if Delta services the AirFrance or Alitalia ground ops in Boston? One potential way to alleviate terminal E is to move skyteam departures to terminal A, which would also improve whatever connections are routing through.

This was actually the original plan for Terminal A in BOS when it first opened. It was supposed to house all the SkyTeam airlines. 9-11 changed those plans big time. If DL was to do this, one thing DL could do would be to move some narrowbody flights to the main terminal using the gates that UA will be giving up soon. This would free up some widebody space on the A concourse where you may lose gates by housing widebodies. This would be somewhat desirable for US to Europe connections because transferring from Terminal A to Terminal E is the longest transfer possible in Boston plus it also requires TSA clearance again upon arrival in E. The other way, E to A cannot be helped, but it is only one stop on an 11 bus, and TSA would be required again in any event.



Quoting jcarv (Reply 33):
Delta does not ground handle any foreign carriers currently. There is talks that Air France May go back to Delta ground handling. Delta handled Air France below wing maybe 5 years ago. I could definitely see them possibly handling Virgin Atlantic in the future. They took over in JFK. As far as moving to Terminal A, I wouldn't count on it but it may be welcomed by some if it did.

Virgin years ago used to use what is now gate B37, and shared it with United who used it as an overflow gate at peak times. They have been in terminal E for a while. If you were to move them to A, you could convert the United Club into an Upper Class Lounge I suppose. BOS all depends on what they want to do jointly from there, but remember that US/AA becomes the second biggest carrier in BOS with the merger, and while I don't expect them to resume LHR, they can get quite a bit of feed for BA there.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:33 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 40):
The other way, E to A cannot be helped, but it is only one stop on an 11 bus, and TSA would be required again in any event.

With the AA/US and UA/CO merger and consolidation into terminal B, it's my opinion that Massport needs to start to seriously consider airside bus transfers between E and A/B terminals. DL/UA/AA all do a fair amount of transfers at BOS for international flights. I think an airside bus transfer is a relatively inexpensive option for a big gain in transfer efficiency.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:29 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 41):

With the AA/US and UA/CO merger and consolidation into terminal B, it's my opinion that Massport needs to start to seriously consider airside bus transfers between E and A/B terminals. DL/UA/AA all do a fair amount of transfers at BOS for international flights. I think an airside bus transfer is a relatively inexpensive option for a big gain in transfer efficiency.

E would be a very tricky one logistically for an airside bus as all the gates are on the third level, and pax departing from any gate other than the E1 cluster actually have to go down a set of stairs to reach the jetway, and I believe logistically it is pretty tough to drop pax off rampside and get them to the third floor while maintaining security protocols. That being said, I do remember back the early 90's, when NW used BOS as a focus city, the Airlink operation was a busing operation, that bussed pax from I believe Gate 5 over to a hardstand in the North Cargo area. I am not sure how the pax actually got to the ramp to board the buses from Gate 5. Also, AC had a similar setup when the CRJ came online while they were in E, before they moved to C.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:06 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 42):
E would be a very tricky one logistically for an airside bus as all the gates are on the third level, and pax departing from any gate other than the E1 cluster actually have to go down a set of stairs to reach the jetway, and I believe logistically it is pretty tough to drop pax off rampside and get them to the third floor while maintaining security protocols.

You're right. What about the old terminal D? With C and E being connected airside in the near term, any space between the 2 terminals, should be doable.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:30 am

Maybe someone remembers this too...

When Delta wanted to build Term A in BOS they wanted to have their own FIS but Massport said no since Term E wasn't heavily utilized.

Now with Term E "bursting at the seams" as someone put it in summer, is this something they can go back and look at redoing?

If they had I can only assume that the Main Terminal gates in A would have been used otherwise you would have to reclaim your bags twice a la MCO International arrivals...

Thoughts?
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by738
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:02 pm

Could a summer only BOS-GLA work with a mainline carrier such as DL ?
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:25 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 45):
Could a summer only BOS-GLA work with a mainline carrier such as DL ?

BOS-GLA traffic has taken a hit in recent years though it wouldn't surprise me if DL tried a seasonal point-to-point Transatlantic route someday especially if the interest in expanding BOS is more about creating something than defending something.

Here's the top 10 Transatlantic Routes not served from BOS that would not be ULH (i.e BOM and DEL)

TLV
BCN
MXP
CPH
MAN
BRU
GVA
TXL
VCE
ARN

Advantages:

These routes would be part of JV thus Air France/KLM can market.
DL could reach all except TLV with international configured 757

Disadvantages:

The routes, especially from CPH on down, may be too thin for seasonal service.
You may have to depend on connections in BOS since the connections on the other ends are rather minimal.
You may weaken routes (if) served from JFK.
Turkish Airlines undercutting the market. (I've read stories on flyertalk about folks already booking BOS-IST-Italy)
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:45 pm

The BOS-LGA shuttle on DL will also be getting an upgauge shortly..
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:32 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 45):
Could a summer only BOS-GLA work with a mainline carrier such as DL ?

Interestingly enough, this was a NW route back in the 90's that they flew with a DC-10. I am not sure the O and D is there on either end, even to fill a 757, so I doubt this would work.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 46):
Here's the top 10 Transatlantic Routes not served from BOS that would not be ULH (i.e BOM and DEL)

TLV
BCN
MXP
CPH
MAN
BRU
GVA
TXL
VCE
ARN

TLV is at the top of the list, and considering the huge Jewish population that lives in the Boston area, this will be an EL AL route flown with a 787 when they can get them.

As for other cities mentioned, TXL won't happen, but if they ever get BER open, this could happen but it will involve LH, and no one in SkyTeam. BRU was a long time route that disappeared when Sabena went under. I wonder if Brussels Airways will try BOS in the future. MXP is a route that I think DL could make work, especially if AZ gets their house in order. MAN was actually served briefly by BA before they moved all int'l ops to London. The other routes are a bit of a stretch on here IMO, and I doubt DL would fly any of them, and a foreign carrier may have difficulty as well. Time will tell.
 
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RE: DL BOS Expansion

Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:44 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 46):
BOS-GLA traffic has taken a hit in recent years though it wouldn't surprise me if DL tried a seasonal point-to-point Transatlantic route someday especially if the interest in expanding BOS is more about creating something than defending something.


If Delta wanted to fly to Scotland then I believe Edinburgh would be a better choice

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